Thank you!

August 23, 2002

Especially being new to this list, I'm going to try extra hard to respect

the dominant culture here. But let me respectfully offer that I think it's

a shame that both 'florkle' and 'bruno' were asked to leave. I thought

they were both kinda bozo, but too it's refreshing to have a mix of

perspectives. But on the other hand, I have an exceptionally high

tolerance for eccentrics (being a little of one myself

Bruce

August 23, 2002

Hi all,

Bruce commented:

> But let me respectfully offer that I think it's a shame that both

'florkle' and 'bruno' were asked to leave.

Just for the record, Chris and I are the only official List Admins for

SFBAVeg. We did not ask " Florkle " or " Bruno " to leave.

Cheers,

Tammy

August 23, 2002

On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Tammy wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> Bruce commented:

> > But let me respectfully offer that I think it's a shame that both

> 'florkle' and 'bruno' were asked to leave.

>

> Just for the record, Chris and I are the only official List Admins for

> SFBAVeg. We did not ask " Florkle " or " Bruno " to leave.

>

> Cheers,

> Tammy

>

tammy

you & i have back channeled before about people's inappropriate emails to

individual members. looks like some have emailed our poet- perhaps out of

jealousy, who

knows. i'm wondering if you can just state for the record what you

think, as one of two moderators of this wonderful list, constitutes

inappropriate email? i'm probably not the only one here who has received

inappropriate email after posting an opinion from someone who wanted to

make me *just like them*.

thanks

cheryl

> > > > > >

>

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August 23, 2002

Hi all:

> > Just for the record, Chris and I are the only official List Admins for

> > SFBAVeg. We did not ask " Florkle " or " Bruno " to leave.

> >

> > Cheers,

> > Tammy

Sorry, my comment was not meant as an accusation and I should have worded

it differently!

> i'm probably not the only one here who has received

> inappropriate email after posting an opinion from someone who wanted to

> make me *just like them*.

>

> thanks

>

> cheryl

I also have gotten a couple of 'disciplinary' emails since I've started

participating in this list. Personally, I think conversations about

appropriate behavior, asking someone to leave or tone it down, or whatever,

should be accepted as a natural part of community communication. I do

think, however, that it works much better when those suggestions and

criticisms are made to the community rather than privately, this helps

avoid misunderstandings.

But I know that many are simply concerned that those type of discussions

disrupt the pleasant tone of the list. The best solution I've seen is a

sub list, SFBAVegAdmin or somesuch, where policy discussions, arguments,

flames, discipline, comments, suggestions, etc. happen more or less freely.

This allows everyone who wants to, to keep up on community politics by

subscribing to it, or just checking in on that archive when something comes

up. The beauty of the scheme thought is that if someone doesn't ever want

to hear flak or strife of any kind, they can only to the main

list and have it more or less exactly the way they want without anyone

having to police it (very much; someone still might have to periodically

guide strident discussions to the other list).

Lastly and most importantly I think, this is a quotidian issue on all the

lists I have belonged to; I wanted to address it in passing but was not

trying to make a big deal out of it, I'm sorry if I contributed to that.

And in that same regard I realize that my suggestion may be overly

complicated; just meant as food for thought.

Thanks,

Bruce

May 25, 2009

In a message dated 5/22/2009 7:34:16 P.M. US Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

About private emails sent to non-veg members by other group members, I

haven't heard that there was anyone taking this upon themselves and I'm sorry

that this is so. I mention this because of a response to the 'lurking'

question in the recent Roll Call.

Thank you, Pat!

You know, you'd think people would leave well enough alone and let the mods

take care of any issues without being told to. If there's a problem on

my lists, I prefer to handle it off the list. I don't want to lose members

by humiliating them. I'd much rather email privately and let them know

what is up and have the members ignore what is obvisouly not right for that

list. After all, we all make mistakes and get an email to a list that we

meant to be personal, etc. So we should all leave it be if there is a problem

or off the list mentions to the mods are fine....Let the mods take care of

it and just enjoy the group.

Que sera sera....

Again, thanks for your response. Yes, I've found some inspiration and ideas

but I'm still not a veggiematarian yet. I do love my veggies though! I

doubt I could give up eggs and dairy though.....?????

Anyway, back to my spot on the fence.....

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May 25, 2009

Yes, we also do prefer than discussion/comments of how the list is managed

should go to _owner rather than to the whole group Then it is

of course handled off-list. Thanks for mentioning that.

No need to give up eggs and dairy to become vegetarian - that does seem a bit

daunting for some folk unless they have a very strong motivation to change in

that way. That's more a vegan thing. As getting rid of meat (all animals) in the

diet, some people find it easier to give up one kind of meat at a time rather

than the whole lot at once; others of course say cold 'tofurkey' works best.

What matters is that it should work for you - and, of course, that you should

ultimately give it up Best of luck with that.

Love, Pat

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You know, you'd think people would leave well enough alone and let the mods

take care of any issues without being told to. . . .

.. . .

I've found some inspiration and ideas

but I'm still not a veggiematarian yet. I do love my veggies though! I

doubt I could give up eggs and dairy though.....?????

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May 26, 2009

I have a really hard time believing that these hate emails are actually

happening. I have never gotten one from any list I have ever been on.

I think mentioning getting them is more of an attempt to demonize a group or

someone looking for attention.

It is very popular to demonize and attack people who happen to be

environmentalists or animal rights people. In fact it has become a sport for

many to do so.

Some will do anything to make us greenies, animal folks into something we are

not.

There may very well be a growing list of folks becoming vegetarian for health

reasons,and while that also helps alleviate the real life suffering of farm

animals the overwhelmingly majority of vegetarians are so for ethical conscience

reasons and that is to do away with the inhumane treatment of helpless animals.