Question

[Guest guest]

Sounds like sponsorship to me, good idea.

 

Rich

 

rawfood , " Velvet " <la_velvet> wrote:

>

> Anyone want to try again with me?

>

> I mean get together and help each other through the first two

> weeks..no messing about?

 

> Start monday?....post here if possible what we've eaten and how we

> feel every day for a couple of weeks?

>

> Or if that is too heavy I'll put up a temp for those

few

> just to get them over the first hurdles.

>

>

> Velvet

[Guest guest]

Well, as silly as it sounds i DO have a BIG frame ( the classic

" big-boned " ... LOL) but i still have LOTS to lose.... i'ld say from 60-90

pounds. That's a big window but have to see what works for me. I hope to

stay 100% raw but i have it in my mind that *if* i slip that it's ok, just a

one-time thing and not let it throw me into eating SAD for weeks.

Thanks for the info Viv and i am sure i'll be calling on you with a ton of

questions )

peace

nikki

 

How much you lose depends on how much you have to lose and how

closely you stay raw.

 

I lost on an average of 1- 3 pounds a week. I lost more toward

the beginning and then it slowed down toward the end of my body

making its adjustments. I think I've stabilized now at about 115

pounds.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Viveca Park

 

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[Guest guest]

I will.... i can't wait until Monday though. I started last night (was going

to start this morning but just said no more and started right that minute).

But, i would love to have someone to talk to when i start to detox. Also, i

am a member of the rawweigtloss group and just set my emails to individual.

I can't keep up in digest!

peace

nikki

 

 

 

Anyone want to try again with me?

 

I mean get together and help each other through the first two

weeks..no messing about?

 

I am convinced this will be a way towards better health for me but I

too found I was going into a detox situation a day ot two in.

 

The point is to GET THROUGH the detox phase ....because really and

truly your body can't be wrong in doing this for you....must have

been waiting for some time TO do this....and come out the other end.

 

What do you think?

 

Start monday?....post here if possible what we've eaten and how we

feel every day for a couple of weeks?

 

Or if that is too heavy I'll put up a temp for those few

just to get them over the first hurdles.

 

 

Velvet

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Viveca,

 

A lot to be said for turning the page on a day after a lapse. If you get

off to a good start then the follow through is relatively easy.

 

That's what I find.

 

Peter

 

 

goodkarma [karmacharmer]

10 March 2004 16:17

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Question

 

 

 

 

Well, as silly as it sounds i DO have a BIG frame ( the classic

" big-boned " ... LOL) but i still have LOTS to lose.... i'ld say from 60-90

pounds. That's a big window but have to see what works for me. I hope to

stay 100% raw but i have it in my mind that *if* i slip that it's ok, just a

one-time thing and not let it throw me into eating SAD for weeks. Thanks for

the info Viv and i am sure i'll be calling on you with a ton of questions

) peace nikki

 

How much you lose depends on how much you have to lose and how

closely you stay raw.

 

I lost on an average of 1- 3 pounds a week. I lost more toward

the beginning and then it slowed down toward the end of my body

making its adjustments. I think I've stabilized now at about 115

pounds.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Viveca Park

 

Exercise Your Willpower

http://www.exerciseyourwillpower.com

Fitness Motivator Newsletter

http://www.fitnessmotivatornewsletter.com

Vita-Mix For Nurtrition You Can Taste!

http://www.vnetcybermall.com/vitamix

 

 

[Guest guest]

Peter, how do you like www.12stepstorawfood? I haven't posted over

there yet.

 

Rich

 

rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...>

wrote:

[Guest guest]

Peter,

 

I think you are confusing me with someone else since I haven't

had a day of lapse. I've been going strong for over 9

months--100% for about 8 months (I still haven't looked back to

figure out the exact day I went 100%).

 

Thanks for the concern. Probably the person you were meaning to

assist knows who they are.

 

 

 

Viveca Park

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Viveca,

 

A lot to be said for turning the page on a day after a lapse.

If you get

off to a good start then the follow through is relatively easy.

 

That's what I find.

 

Peter

 

goodkarma [karmacharmer]

10 March 2004 16:17

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Question

 

 

 

 

Well, as silly as it sounds i DO have a BIG frame ( the classic

" big-boned " ... LOL) but i still have LOTS to lose.... i'ld say

from 60-90

pounds. That's a big window but have to see what works for me.

I hope to

stay 100% raw but i have it in my mind that *if* i slip that

it's ok, just a

one-time thing and not let it throw me into eating SAD for

weeks. Thanks for

the info Viv and i am sure i'll be calling on you with a ton of

questions

) peace nikki

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

How much you lose depends on how much you have to lose and how

closely you stay raw.

 

I lost on an average of 1- 3 pounds a week. I lost more

toward

the beginning and then it slowed down toward the end of my

body

making its adjustments. I think I've stabilized now at about

115

pounds.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Viveca Park

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

'twas me i think )

I got sick today, in the middle of lunch. Now, normally that would really

discourage me but i am sticking raw. I can't eat anyway right now because i

feel like hurling and my throat hurts. I am just going to take it easy and

not mix anything tomorrow (had a big salad for lunch). Going to set my

almonds to soak and go to bed.

Also, wtg on staying 100% Viveca!!

peace

nikki

 

 

 

Peter,

 

I think you are confusing me with someone else since I haven't

had a day of lapse. I've been going strong for over 9

months--100% for about 8 months (I still haven't looked back to

figure out the exact day I went 100%).

 

Thanks for the concern. Probably the person you were meaning to

assist knows who they are.

 

 

 

Viveca Park

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Viveca,

 

A lot to be said for turning the page on a day after a lapse.

If you get

off to a good start then the follow through is relatively easy.

 

That's what I find.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

I hope to

stay 100% raw but i have it in my mind that *if* i slip that

it's ok, just a

one-time thing and not let it throw me into eating SAD for

weeks. ) peace nikki

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Nikki

 

Almonds could be a cause of your problem. Most of them are dehydrated. If

they do not sprout you can be sure this is the case.

 

Peter

 

 

goodkarma [karmacharmer]

11 March 2004 01:59

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Question

 

 

 

'twas me i think )

I got sick today, in the middle of lunch. Now, normally that would really

discourage me but i am sticking raw. I can't eat anyway right now because i

feel like hurling and my throat hurts. I am just going to take it easy and

not mix anything tomorrow (had a big salad for lunch). Going to set my

almonds to soak and go to bed. Also, wtg on staying 100% Viveca!! peace

nikki

 

 

 

Peter,

 

I think you are confusing me with someone else since I haven't

had a day of lapse. I've been going strong for over 9

months--100% for about 8 months (I still haven't looked back to

figure out the exact day I went 100%).

 

Thanks for the concern. Probably the person you were meaning to

assist knows who they are.

 

 

 

Viveca Park

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

Viveca,

 

A lot to be said for turning the page on a day after a lapse.

If you get

off to a good start then the follow through is relatively easy.

 

That's what I find.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

I hope to

stay 100% raw but i have it in my mind that *if* i slip that

it's ok, just a

one-time thing and not let it throw me into eating SAD for

weeks. ) peace nikki

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Does anyone live with a partner who is not vegan/vegetarian? If so, how do you

run your household, meals etc.?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yeah, but my husband is very open to keep at least a vegetarian home, & he

believes that vegan eating is healthy - he just doesn't want to be what he calls

a " fundamentalist " about it.

 

I cook a lot of pasta. (One child is ovo-lacto veg, but lactose intolerant, the

other is a carnivore, but as a family we agree on no red meat.) We have one

night a week that's " convenience " night, where everyone can pick their own

frozen dinner & make it in the microwave. I cook a lot of pasta (most pasta in

the supermarket does not have eggs - should have the ingredients on the label),

& it can be mixed with tofu " food processed " with veganaise & soy milk (a nice

cream sauce - you can add garlic), or just veganaise, or vegan margarine & mixed

frozed veggies, beans, tofu scrambler, tomato sauce, hummus, etc.

 

There's more convenience stuff out there. There are lots of vegan fake

meatballs, vegan ravioli, of course veggie burgers (read the label!) You can

also make a pizza with tofu or processed cashews, or a new idea I discovered is

pizza crust topped w/spinach & hummus, no sauce. Hope this helps.

-Amy

-

Christine Knetchel

Friday, March 11, 2005 8:47 AM

Re: Question

 

 

 

 

Does anyone live with a partner who is not vegan/vegetarian? If so, how do you

run your household, meals etc.?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello!

 

My boyfriend and my daughter both eat chicken and occasionally meat. I do all of

the grocery shopping and cooking. I try to come up with creative dishes so that

they do not get bored and they are still enjoying old favorites just without

meat. It is amazing what you can do with Boca! I make Lazagna, Chix Parmesean,

Spagetti, Sausage and pepers, etc... all with Boca or other meat substitutes. I

also d to Vegetarian Times for more ideas and the internet helps to!

Trick is variety and cover up, oh and never use the word tofu even if it is

 

~Spring

 

Christine Knetchel <redcattail wrote:

 

 

Does anyone live with a partner who is not vegan/vegetarian? If so, how do you

run your household, meals etc.?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello. Sorry for the delay in responding to this question - you probably have

it all figured out already! My experience in the past year is that I went from

living with another vegan in a completely cruelty-free home to being ivolved

with (and living with) a non-vegan/non-vegetarian/carnivore! Quite the change!

 

The best thing I can recommend is to really talk to the person to see where you

are both coming from, what concerns you have and to determine what your 'big

issues' are. You will probably find that there are things you are willing to

compromise on, but some things that you can't. Find out what those are for each

of you and this will go a long way in maintaining respect and a manageable

household.

 

I was initially very concerned about this transition, but it has gone much more

smoothly than I anticipated. I think it is all based upon consideration,

respect and open-mindedness. Although neither of us would eat the way the other

does, we support each others decisions. She takes an active role in trying to

find/make new products for me and I do the same for her. (Interestingly, I have

never had a problem making non-vegan food for others (although I try to as often

as possible!) but I had more of an issue with buying it. I didn't like the idea

of my consumer resources/influences supporting it.) Like I said, everyone will

have their own particular issues.

 

We talked about all the different options - from things as extreme as separate

fridges to separate dishes to just common sense things such as not stirring our

meals with the same spoons - and came up with what worked for both of us. It

has worked out just fine.

 

The other recommendation that I have is to try to make as many meals as mutually

acceptable as possible - at least in the initial preparation. For example,

let's say we are making pasta sauce. We make it vegan all the way throughout

until the end. When it is almost done, we separate it and she adds meat/cheese

to hers and I add my fake meat to mine. Presto, not two completely separate

meals having to be prepared. For sauteeing, I use olive oil or vegan butter

until it is time to serve and her to add her extras. Same with baking - I use

egg replacers, vegan butter, etc.

 

So, it all boils down to awareness,creativity, common sense and compromise. I

hope it works out for you. Feel free to let me know if you have any specific

questions that I can be of assistance with. Take care. ~ Renae

 

Christine Knetchel <redcattail wrote:

 

 

Does anyone live with a partner who is not vegan/vegetarian? If so, how do you

run your household, meals etc.?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Not enough!Christine Bradley <chaag62 wrote: Hello, How many vegans are there in the US? Does anybody know? Cheyenne TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV.

8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut.

[Guest guest]

They're on PETA's accidentally vegan list:

http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/VeganShoppingQS-Snacks.asp?Category=Snacks

 

--- Joelle Katcher <joellesk wrote:

 

> Hi all. does anyone know if oreo's are vegan? i cant

> find any

> ingredient that seems to come from animals, though

> people keep telling

> me theyre not vegan. thanks!

> -joelle

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> does anyone know if oreo's are vegan?

 

Oreos used to contain whey, but last time I checked they no longer used

that. So from the label you can say they contain no animal products

(unless the ingredient list has changed again, of course).

 

But, as I remember, one of the ingredients is sugar. If so, and if

that is cane sugar, then they would not meet the strict definition of a

vegan product because white cane sugar is usually processed using

animal bone char.

 

Karen

[Guest guest]

Hi Joelle, There's also Newman's Own sandwich cookies which I like

better than Oreos. All flavors are vegan, I believe. Lisa

 

On 1/24/08, Joelle Katcher <joellesk wrote:

> Hi all. does anyone know if oreo's are vegan? i cant find any

> ingredient that seems to come from animals, though people keep telling

> me theyre not vegan. thanks!

> -joelle

[Guest guest]

A Question, I started the Neal Barnard, Mc Dougall Vegan last October, as i am not really a

 

meat eater, plus wanted to lose weight, I am type 2 take metaform,

 

Why aren't I loseing weight, I did at first 1 kg = 2.2 pounds,

 

when I was eating every 3 hours, I did lose 1 kg, I get sick of eating all day long, I do have 3 meals a day, and do not over eat, drink hearbe tea, lemon & water,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

 

Mark Sutton

Monday, December 22, 2008 10:25 AM

Latest Mad Cowboy Newsletter Available

 

 

Free.... Direct link:Mad_Cowboy/message/85...and best wishes for a Happy Vegan Holidaze, keeping warm with family and friends, and a Great New Year!Mark, MC editor/webmasterPersonal blog: http://www.soulveggie.com

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

 

My family didn't follow the Mac Dougall diet but we did something very

close.

 

One year our teen son wanted to take a summer to lose a lot of weight,

so we looked up teen summer programs. There are a lot of them, but

only a few track weight loss during and *after* camp. He was extremely

successful, losing 40 lbs in 8 weeks. At the end of the camp, families

were encouraged to learn how to prolong and improve on the success of

the campers. The organization promulgates a simple set of steps,

including a very low fat diet.

 

To help our son, our entire family followed all of the steps,

including the very low fat diet. The result was that we all -- except

our youngest son who did not need to lose weight -- lost a lot of

weight, though not as fast as at camp. I lost 1 - 3 lbs a week

over several months, as did my husband.

 

Since I don't know the details of the Mac Dougall diet, I can only

speculate. However I know that walking 10,000 steps per day was a

critical part of our success and I wonder whether Mac Dougall includes

mandatory exercise. Anyway, details for what we did are listed below.

I've sent this list to numerous friends and co-workers who have asked

how I -- and my family -- managed to be so successful.

 

-----------------

The diet thing:

 

The main points are

(1) Eat less than 20 grams of fat a day (and under 1600 calories...)

(2) Log everything that is eaten (write it in a journal, keep an excel

spreadsheet, whatever -- but write it down): food eaten/calories/grams

of fat (Calorie King web site and book are a huge help)

(3) Walk 10,000 steps every day (a pedometer helps)

(4) Weigh in weekly at the same day and time (for example Monday

morning) and log the weight.

 

There is a book, though it's possible to follow the steps without

reading the book. " The Healthy Obsession Program: Smart Weight Loss

Instead of Low-Carb Lunacy " by Daniel Kirschenbaum, PhD can be found

at Amazon.com or Barnes & Noble.

 

For Calorie King see http://www.calorieking.com/ -- The pocket book is:

The CalorieKing Calorie, Fat & Carbohydrate Counter <latest> Edition,

which can be purchased for about $8 on their web site.

 

Pedometers are easy to find, for as little as $3 - $8. A fancy one is

not required.

 

That's it. No converting nutrition facts to " points, " no subscription

fees, no buying " pre-approved " frozen food packs.

 

Of course, it helps to have good recipe ideas, as well as tricks for

converting high fat foods into low fat ones. One useful book is " Low

Fat Cooking for Dummies. "

 

Below are some of my favorite online cooking sites:

 

This URL contains recipes from the camp our son went to last summer.

To find the recipe links, scroll down. There is a range of recipes,

including vegetarian and vegan ones.

http://www.wellspringcamps.com/recipes.html

 

This URL is to a blog. The woman who puts this vegan low fat recipe

blog together is -- and I'm not being flippant -- a genius/cook.

Sometimes her recipes include food facts (calories, fat grams, etc.),

otherwise the reader must look up ingredients, total them up, and

divide by serving.

http://www.fatfreevegan.com/

 

This URL contains vegetarian food that includes Indian, Mexican,

Chinese and other recipes. Downside: Doesn't break out calories and

fat grams, so the user of the recipe would have to look up the

ingredients, total them up, and divide by servings.

http://www.fatfree.com/recipes/

 

, " Carolyn " <storm20 wrote:

>

> A Question, I started the Neal Barnard, Mc Dougall Vegan last

October, as i am not really a

>

> meat eater, plus wanted to lose weight, I am type 2 take metaform,

>

> Why aren't I loseing weight, I did at first 1 kg = 2.2 pounds,

>

> when I was eating every 3 hours, I did lose 1 kg, I get sick of

eating all day long, I do have 3 meals a day, and do not over eat,

drink hearbe tea, lemon & water,

>

> Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your help. I need to walk a lot more, or maybe eat more than i do,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

hinton_johnson

Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:02 AM

Re: Question

 

 

Carolyn,My family didn't follow the Mac Dougall diet but we did something veryclose. One year our teen son wanted to take a summer to lose a lot of weight,so we looked up teen summer programs. There are a lot of them, butonly a few track weight loss during and *after* camp. He was extremelysuccessful, losing 40 lbs in 8 weeks. At the end of the camp, familieswere encouraged to learn how to prolong and improve on the success ofthe campers. The organization promulgates a simple set of steps,including a very low fat diet. To help our son, our entire family followed all of the steps,including the very low fat diet. The result was that we all -- exceptour youngest son who did not need to lose weight -- lost a lot ofweight, though not as fast as at camp. I lost 1 - 3 lbs a weekover several months, as did my husband.Since I don't know the details of the Mac Dougall diet, I can onlyspeculate. However I know that walking 10,000 steps per day was acritical part of our success and I wonder whether Mac Dougall includesmandatory exercise. Anyway, details for what we did are listed below.I've sent this list to numerous friends and co-workers who have askedhow I -- and my family -- managed to be so successful.-----------------The diet thing:The main points are(1) Eat less than 20 grams of fat a day (and under 1600 calories...)(2) Log everything that is eaten (write it in a journal, keep an excelspreadsheet, whatever -- but write it down): food eaten/calories/gramsof fat (Calorie King web site and book are a huge help)(3) Walk 10,000 steps every day (a pedometer helps)(4) Weigh in weekly at the same day and time (for example Mondaymorning) and log the weight.There is a book, though it's possible to follow the steps withoutreading the book. "The Healthy Obsession Program: Smart Weight LossInstead of Low-Carb Lunacy" by Daniel Kirschenbaum, PhD can be foundat Amazon.com or Barnes & Noble.For Calorie King see http://www.calorieking.com/ -- The pocket book is:The CalorieKing Calorie, Fat & Carbohydrate Counter <latest> Edition,which can be purchased for about $8 on their web site.Pedometers are easy to find, for as little as $3 - $8. A fancy one isnot required.That's it. No converting nutrition facts to "points," no subscriptionfees, no buying "pre-approved" frozen food packs.Of course, it helps to have good recipe ideas, as well as tricks forconverting high fat foods into low fat ones. One useful book is "LowFat Cooking for Dummies." Below are some of my favorite online cooking sites:This URL contains recipes from the camp our son went to last summer.To find the recipe links, scroll down. There is a range of recipes,including vegetarian and vegan ones.http://www.wellspringcamps.com/recipes.htmlThis URL is to a blog. The woman who puts this vegan low fat recipeblog together is -- and I'm not being flippant -- a genius/cook.Sometimes her recipes include food facts (calories, fat grams, etc.),otherwise the reader must look up ingredients, total them up, anddivide by serving.http://www.fatfreevegan.com/This URL contains vegetarian food that includes Indian, Mexican,Chinese and other recipes. Downside: Doesn't break out calories andfat grams, so the user of the recipe would have to look up theingredients, total them up, and divide by servings.http://www.fatfree.com/recipes/--- In , "Carolyn" <storm20 wrote:>> A Question, I started the Neal Barnard, Mc Dougall Vegan lastOctober, as i am not really a > > meat eater, plus wanted to lose weight, I am type 2 take metaform,> > Why aren't I loseing weight, I did at first 1 kg = 2.2 pounds,> > when I was eating every 3 hours, I did lose 1 kg, I get sick ofeating all day long, I do have 3 meals a day, and do not over eat, drink hearbe tea, lemon & water,> > Carolyn>

[Guest guest]

> Since I don't know the details of the Mac Dougall diet,

 

He has the entire plan outlined for free right on his web site.

http://www.drmcdougall.com

Just scroll down and I think the link to the " free plan " is on the left

hand side.

 

 

>However I know that walking 10,000 steps per day was a

> critical part of our success and I wonder whether Mac Dougall includes

> mandatory exercise.

 

Yes and no. He does suggest an hour of exercise a day, something like

" brisk " walking (I always read that " brisk " means apx 3.5 - 4 mph, a

speed my short stubby legs could never achieve for more than a few

seconds even when 30 years younger). But he does also claim that weight

loss is possible on his plan without it.

 

 

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

Carolyn,

 

It might be helpful if you gave us an idea of what you eat. Without

knowing the particulars, I've got some guesses (forgive me if I'm

wrong, these are typical but possibly not true for you):

 

1) You aren't keeping your fats to around the 10% mark -- Drs.

McDougall and Barnard both advocate NO added oils and fats whatsoever,

in any form -- even olive oil. In practice, this comes to about 5% to

15% of your calories from fat. For those lucky folks who do not need

to lose weight occasional additions of high-fat foods such as avocado,

nuts and seeds, and olives are okay.

2) You're eating processed foods (especially bread). Your diet should

be centered around starchy foods in as close to their whole forms as

possible, such as whole grains, potatoes, sweet potatoes, squash, etc.

Again, for those of us needing to lose weight, this typically means

minimizing bread (even whole grain) and pasta (though Jeff Novick, the

nutritionist for the McDougall Program says he thinks (whole grain)

pastas are okay since they absorb a lot of their cooking water and this

dilutes the density of the food). The rest of your diet should be made

up of vegetables, some beans and some fruit.

 

3) Yes, exercise. As Sue notes, though, Dr. M recommends exercise but

he is not a gung-ho advocate of tons of exercise, even though he

himself is an avid windsurfer and clearly very athletic. I have a

wonky (arthritic) knee and he specifically told me to minimize anything

that would stress my knee, including walking (I don't have a car so I

have to walk). He said it wasn't necessary to exercise hard or a lot

to lose weight. He stopped short of saying don't exercise at all, and

his live-in program does provide for a lot of exercise opportunities

(though he remains interestingly quiet when exercise is discussed by

others). I personally think exercising, if nothing else, makes you

feel better, which reinforces all the other changes you're trying to

make. There is some evidence that suggests weight lifting/resistance

training has more effect on weight loss than cardio, but you'll need to

research this.

 

4) Total calories taken in don't matter much if you follow the rest of

the guidelines. At first it may seem like you're eating too much food

-- in time, as your body and lifestyle adjusts you'll find it doesn't

take nearly so much to satisfy you.

 

As Sue also suggests, go to Dr. M's

free program at his website, or check one of his books out of the

library (The McDougall

Program or The

McDougall Plan for Maximum Weight Loss are good ones to start with

(links are provided just so you can see what they are, there are many

used copies for sale very inexpensively -- eBay has them right now for

$1.00 plus shipping).

 

Dr. Barnard doesn't have such a strong presence on the internet, except

in his capacity as president of the PCRM,

but his books are generally available in public libraries and on the

internet.

 

Finally, I'm not sure why you eating are " all day long. " Could you

elaborate on that? And please give us some examples of typical meals

you eat.

 

DebbieOn Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Carolyn <storm20 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why aren't I loseing weight, I did at first 1 kg = 2.2 pounds, when I was eating every 3 hours, I did lose 1 kg, I get sick of eating all day long, I do have 3 meals a day, and do not over eat, drink hearbe tea, lemon & water,

 

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

I have not fats, I eat a lot of Veggie out of our Garden, all green, plus raddish,

 

I buy Wait watcher Dressing, they are fat free, I have boiled veggies,

Raice, Potatoes,

 

Bfast, Bran, Soya milk, lunch, green salad, rice or potatoe

Dinner, Boiled vegies, I very realy add any thing, we do have a dairy free olivia Spread,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

Debbie

Monday, December 29, 2008 8:18 AM

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Carolyn, It might be helpful if you gave us an idea of what you eat. Without knowing the particulars, I've got some guesses (forgive me if I'm wrong, these are typical but possibly not true for you):1) You aren't keeping your fats to around the 10% mark -- Drs. McDougall and Barnard both advocate NO added oils and fats whatsoever, in any form -- even olive oil. In practice, this comes to about 5% to 15% of your calories from fat. For those lucky folks who do not need to lose weight occasional additions of high-fat foods such as avocado, nuts and seeds, and olives are okay. 2) You're eating processed foods (especially bread). Your diet should be centered around starchy foods in as close to their whole forms as possible, such as whole grains, potatoes, sweet potatoes, squash, etc. Again, for those of us needing to lose weight, this typically means minimizing bread (even whole grain) and pasta (though Jeff Novick, the nutritionist for the McDougall Program says he thinks (whole grain) pastas are okay since they absorb a lot of their cooking water and this dilutes the density of the food). The rest of your diet should be made up of vegetables, some beans and some fruit. 3) Yes, exercise. As Sue notes, though, Dr. M recommends exercise but he is not a gung-ho advocate of tons of exercise, even though he himself is an avid windsurfer and clearly very athletic. I have a wonky (arthritic) knee and he specifically told me to minimize anything that would stress my knee, including walking (I don't have a car so I have to walk). He said it wasn't necessary to exercise hard or a lot to lose weight. He stopped short of saying don't exercise at all, and his live-in program does provide for a lot of exercise opportunities (though he remains interestingly quiet when exercise is discussed by others). I personally think exercising, if nothing else, makes you feel better, which reinforces all the other changes you're trying to make. There is some evidence that suggests weight lifting/resistance training has more effect on weight loss than cardio, but you'll need to research this. 4) Total calories taken in don't matter much if you follow the rest of the guidelines. At first it may seem like you're eating too much food -- in time, as your body and lifestyle adjusts you'll find it doesn't take nearly so much to satisfy you. As Sue also suggests, go to Dr. M's free program at his website, or check one of his books out of the library (The McDougall Program or The McDougall Plan for Maximum Weight Loss are good ones to start with (links are provided just so you can see what they are, there are many used copies for sale very inexpensively -- eBay has them right now for $1.00 plus shipping). Dr. Barnard doesn't have such a strong presence on the internet, except in his capacity as president of the PCRM, but his books are generally available in public libraries and on the internet. Finally, I'm not sure why you eating are "all day long." Could you elaborate on that? And please give us some examples of typical meals you eat. Debbie

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Carolyn <storm20 (AT) ihug (DOT) co.nz> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why aren't I loseing weight, I did at first 1 kg = 2.2 pounds, when I was eating every 3 hours, I did lose 1 kg, I get sick of eating all day long, I do have 3 meals a day, and do not over eat, drink hearbe tea, lemon & water,

 

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

You're right, it sure doesn't look like you're eating much extra fat

(though I'm not familiar with olivia spread). Soy milk has some fat,

but if you're just having it with your cereal at breakfast that

shouldn't be too much of a problem.

 

I think somebody earlier mentioned you might not be eating enough -- a

lot of your foods are pretty low in calories. You might try eating

more of the starchy foods -- I see you're really only eating them at

lunch (I'm not sure bran "counts" as a starchy food since so much of

the grain is taken away -- could you have a whole grain cereal

instead?). And adding a few legumes now and then might be a good

thing, too.

 

I think I recall you said you were a type 2 diabetic -- how are your

blood sugars doing? Do you have a lot of weight to lose? If you don't

have much to lose the weight loss can be pretty slow.

 

Anyway, it's hard to imagine you won't eventually lose weight eating

the way you indicate below, you might just have to stick with it for a

while. Hopefully at least you'll see your blood sugars stabilize,

which may help with the weight loss.

 

Carolyn wrote:

 

 

 

I have not

fats, I eat a lot of Veggie out of our Garden, all green, plus raddish,

 

 

I buy Wait

watcher Dressing, they are fat free, I have boiled veggies, Raice,

Potatoes,

 

Bfast,

Bran, Soya milk, lunch, green salad, rice or potatoe

 

Dinner,

Boiled vegies, I very realy add any thing, we do have a dairy free

olivia Spread,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

 

Debbie

Monday, December 29, 2008 8:18 AM

 

 

Re: Question

 

 

 

 

 

It might be helpful if you gave us an idea of what you eat.

[Guest guest]

Have started to have more Starch, hardly have soya milk, it goes off, on me

BS are doing ok, I do have lequmes, We went to the trading shop today and got a few extra things like legumes, noodles, panty is getting quite a good stock,

just need hubby to go vegan,

He is hardly eating at the moment, he has been told he has Cancer and having treatment,

 

xxx finger they got it all, they did op on him last Nov, 2 op within 2 days,

 

thanks for all your help

 

Have a very happy New Year, over this way it will be new years eve

30 Dec 2008

 

 

 

Debbie

Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:13 AM

Re: Question

 

 

You're right, it sure doesn't look like you're eating much extra fat (though I'm not familiar with olivia spread). Soy milk has some fat, but if you're just having it with your cereal at breakfast that shouldn't be too much of a problem. I think somebody earlier mentioned you might not be eating enough -- a lot of your foods are pretty low in calories. You might try eating more of the starchy foods -- I see you're really only eating them at lunch (I'm not sure bran "counts" as a starchy food since so much of the grain is taken away -- could you have a whole grain cereal instead?). And adding a few legumes now and then might be a good thing, too. I think I recall you said you were a type 2 diabetic -- how are your blood sugars doing? Do you have a lot of weight to lose? If you don't have much to lose the weight loss can be pretty slow. Anyway, it's hard to imagine you won't eventually lose weight eating the way you indicate below, you might just have to stick with it for a while. Hopefully at least you'll see your blood sugars stabilize, which may help with the weight loss. Carolyn wrote:

 

 

I have not fats, I eat a lot of Veggie out of our Garden, all green, plus raddish,

 

I buy Wait watcher Dressing, they are fat free, I have boiled veggies, Raice, Potatoes,

 

Bfast, Bran, Soya milk, lunch, green salad, rice or potatoe

Dinner, Boiled vegies, I very realy add any thing, we do have a dairy free olivia Spread,

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

Debbie

Monday, December 29, 2008 8:18 AM

Re: Question

 

 

It might be helpful if you gave us an idea of what you eat.

[Guest guest]

http://www.healthcastle.com/goodfats-badfats.shtml

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sue in NJ

Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:24 PM

Re: Re: Question

 

 

> Since I don't know the details of the Mac Dougall diet,He has the entire plan outlined for free right on his web site.http://www.drmcdougall.comJust scroll down and I think the link to the "free plan" is on the lefthand side.>However I know that walking 10,000 steps per day was a> critical part of our success and I wonder whether Mac Dougall includes> mandatory exercise.Yes and no. He does suggest an hour of exercise a day, something like"brisk" walking (I always read that "brisk" means apx 3.5 - 4 mph, aspeed my short stubby legs could never achieve for more than a fewseconds even when 30 years younger). But he does also claim that weightloss is possible on his plan without it.Sue in NJ