Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 One small correction; Dr. Atkins didn't die of a heart attack, he died from slipping and falling on ice and hitting his head. Patricia --- On Sun, 9/20/09, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant Health Matters: Study re low-carb diets " vegetariansincanada " <vegetariansincanada >, " vegetarian spice " Sunday, September 20, 2009, 5:17 PM I know that 'high protein' diets are pretty well incompatible with the vegan way - although I do know some who have tried it - there can still be an attempt to keep the carbs low with some who want to lose weight. I thought this might help us all to rationalize eating sensibly :-) (I say this as one who, back in the bad old days back in the 70s wayyyy before I became vegetarian and then vegan, I was very strictly low-carb as promoted by that-doctor-who-promoted-high-protein-and-died-of-a-heart-attack's diet.) Anyway, even if it doesn't apply to you personally, save the link for giving to friends and loved ones, okay? Here it is: http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/medicine-health/articles/low-carb-diets-linked\ -atherosclerosis-and-impaired-blood-vessel-growth Best, Pat --- Patricia Sant http://rawlyvegan.wordpress.com/ http://beanvegan.blogspot.com http://river-rambles.blogspot.com " As long as you derive inner help and comfort from anything, keep it. " Mahatma Gandhi. ________________ Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:17:53 -0700 (PDT) " drpatsant " <drpatsant wrote: > I know that 'high protein' diets are pretty well > incompatible with the vegan way - although I do know some > who have tried it - there can still be an attempt to keep > the carbs low with some who want to lose weight. I > thought this might help us all to rationalize eating > sensibly :-) (I say this as one who, back in the bad old > days back in the 70s wayyyy before I became vegetarian > and then vegan, I was very strictly low-carb as promoted > by > that-doctor-who-promoted-high-protein-and-died-of-a-heart-attack's > diet.) I refer to low-carb diets as death diets. I never did understand how people can disregard what has been reasonably clear for many years. Wishful thinking, I suppose. > http://harvardscience.harvard.edu/medicine-health/articles/low-carb-diets-linked\ -atherosclerosis-and-impaired-blood-vessel-growth From the link: Now, a study led by team of Harvard researchers at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center (BIDMC) provides some of the first data on this subject, demonstrating that mice placed on a 12-week low-carbohydrate/high-protein diet showed a significant increase in atherosclerosis, a buildup of plaque in the heart’s arteries and a leading cause of heart attack and stroke. The findings also showed that the diet led to an impaired ability to form new blood vessels in tissues deprived of blood flow, as might occur during a heart attack. Not at all surprising. As far as I'm concerned, a low-carb diet is strictly for those who consider appearances to be of far greater importance than health. The diets are anything but healthy. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 > One small correction; Dr. Atkins didn't die of a heart attack, he died from slipping and falling on ice and hitting his head. > Thanks for the correction - from a couple of you, actually. My bad. I know there is quite a bit of controversy surrounding Dr Atkins death and even over what weight he actually was when he died and, if the higher weight some say, what the reason was for the sudden increase. I should have left the cause of his death well alone. Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Pat, why thank you! Another veggy list refused to publish the info. Said I was lying! I can't imagine about what - it's all true. I was trying to be helpful. I have more respect for you. I'm on my 2nd day of http://www.oilpulling.org/faq.htm Exciting! --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Pat / 'River' <drpatsant wrote: Pat / 'River' <drpatsant Re: Health Matters: Study re low-carb diets Monday, September 21, 2009, 11:24 AM > One small correction; Dr. Atkins didn't die of a heart attack, he died from slipping and falling on ice and hitting his head. > Thanks for the correction - from a couple of you, actually. My bad. I know there is quite a bit of controversy surrounding Dr Atkins death and even over what weight he actually was when he died and, if the higher weight some say, what the reason was for the sudden increase. I should have left the cause of his death well alone. Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 I thought he died of a heart attack, too!! Thanks for the correction! ☺☺ Beck ---- Patricia 9/21/2009 3:44:33 AM Re: Health Matters: Study re low-carb diets One small correction; Dr. Atkins didn't die of a heart attack, he died from slipping and falling on ice and hitting his head. Patricia --- On Sun, 9/20/09, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant Health Matters: Study re low-carb diets " vegetariansincanada " <vegetariansincanada >, " vegetarian spice " Sunday, September 20, 2009, 5:17 PM I know that 'high protein' diets are pretty well incompatible with the vegan way - although I do know some who have tried it - there can still be an attempt to keep the carbs low with some who want to lose weight. I thought this might help us all to rationalize eating sensibly :-) (I say this as one who, back in the bad old days back in the 70s wayyyy before I became vegetarian and then vegan, I was very strictly low-carb as promoted by that-doctor-who-promoted-high-protein-and-died-of-a-heart-attack's diet.) Anyway, even if it doesn't apply to you personally, save the link for giving to friends and loved ones, okay? Here it is: http://harvardscience.harvard edu/medicine-health/articles/low-carb-diets-linked-atherosclerosis-and-impair d-blood-vessel-growth Best, Pat --- Patricia Sant http://rawlyvegan.wordpress.com/ http://beanvegan.blogspot.com http://river-rambles.blogspot.com " As long as you derive inner help and comfort from anything, keep it. " Mahatma Gandhi. ________________ Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:08:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) " WindChimes " <chimies wrote: > I thought he died of a heart attack, too!! He did have a heart attack a year or two before his death. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 >I thought he died of a heart attack, too!! >Thanks for the correction! ☺☺ Not sure it's a correction, just another version of what happened, ya know? Somehow I feel we'll never really know. Best, Pat --- Patricia Sant http://rawlyvegan.wordpress.com/ http://beanvegan.blogspot.com http://river-rambles.blogspot.com " As long as you derive inner help and comfort from anything, keep it. " Mahatma Gandhi. ________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 Here is my opinion on this issue, people are not one size fits all and just because a specific diet works well with a large number of people doesnt mean they are right everyone.  AS to low carb/high protein, you can do that on a vegan/veggie diet by using veggies such as avocado's.   'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in harmony with the outer world.  Goddess Bless. ________________________________ Eric <rigel Monday, September 21, 2009 2:50:26 AM Re: Health Matters: Study re low-carb diets  On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:17:53 -0700 (PDT) " drpatsant " <drpatsant > wrote: > I know that 'high protein' diets are pretty well > incompatible with the vegan way - although I do know some > who have tried it - there can still be an attempt to keep > the carbs low with some who want to lose weight. I > thought this might help us all to rationalize eating > sensibly :-) (I say this as one who, back in the bad old > days back in the 70s wayyyy before I became vegetarian > and then vegan, I was very strictly low-carb as promoted > by > that-doctor- who-promoted- high-protein- and-died- of-a-heart- attack's > diet.) I refer to low-carb diets as death diets. I never did understand how people can disregard what has been reasonably clear for many years. Wishful thinking, I suppose. > http://harvardscien ce.harvard. edu/medicine- health/articles/ low-carb- diets-linked- atherosclerosis- and-impaired- blood-vessel- growth From the link: Now, a study led by team of Harvard researchers at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center (BIDMC) provides some of the first data on this subject, demonstrating that mice placed on a 12-week low-carbohydrate/ high-protein diet showed a significant increase in atherosclerosis, a buildup of plaque in the heart’s arteries and a leading cause of heart attack and stroke. The findings also showed that the diet led to an impaired ability to form new blood vessels in tissues deprived of blood flow, as might occur during a heart attack. Not at all surprising. As far as I'm concerned, a low-carb diet is strictly for those who consider appearances to be of far greater importance than health. The diets are anything but healthy. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2009 Report Share Posted September 21, 2009 I never heard that. Patricia --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Eric <rigel wrote: Eric <rigel Re: Health Matters: Study re low-carb diets Monday, September 21, 2009, 11:00 AM On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:08:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) " WindChimes " <chimies wrote: > I thought he died of a heart attack, too!! He did have a heart attack a year or two before his death. Eric --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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