Animal welfare was Welcome to new member linda

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A _good_ step in the right direction indeed! I was being ironic about the farm

animals (well, sorta). I understand that it's not a good idea to try to

legislate against eating meat LOL and of course this legislation is _nothing_ to

do with what one eats but only to do with how one treats animals, a concern for

vegetarians as a group certainly.

 

Thanks for the larger list/s of animals included - some of us might have been a

bit confusedd. Well, me. And I see from googling that this legislation has been

in the works for some time now (of course!) and that all the good interest

groups have been involved in lobbying, so we assume (can we?) that indeed

everything will be done as it should as far as is humanly possible (which leaves

huge margins of error, of course, but let's not go there . . . ).

 

I wonder about a brief poll on this one - anonymous of course? Shall see what I

can devise for all - you guys out there as well as Piers Members might be

interested in what the rest are thinking.

 

Best to all,

Pat

 

, Piers Clement <piersalgarve wrote:

>

> Well I don't know about a complete list of animals - I hastened to the

recycling stack to recover the newspaper with the article in it, which is not a

definitive source but I'm doubtful my Portuguese would get me through any more

original text. It mentions the law as being applicable to " all species of

primates, bears, felines (with the exception of domestic cats), seals and sea

lions, hippopotamuses, penguins, crocodiles, all types of ostrich, certain

species of turtles, centipedes and scorpions. " Elsewhere is mentioned that the

prohibited category includes monkeys, elephants, lions and tigers, though I

don't see anything on the first list that could refer to elephants. Then again,

neither list makes a claim to completeness.

>

> With regard to your question, it's clear that the legislators are determined

to ensure the survival of existing animals in these categories, which is why

they didn't impose an immediate, complete ban as that would raise the question

of how to dispose of existing animals, the welfare of whom (which?) is part of

the aim of the new law. So the cases that were worrying you are, I'm sure,

foreseen and the legislation will have the interests of the animals at heart,

but the article doesn't go into detail about that.

>

> As for the farm animals, well yes. But I think the new law is a step in a good

direction and the fact that it received such warm public acclaim is gratifying.

>

> Piers

>

> --- On Wed, 21/10/09, Pat / 'River' <drpatsant wrote:

>

> > Pat / 'River' <drpatsant

> > Animal welfare was Re: Welcome to new member

linda

> >

> > Wednesday, 21 October, 2009, 16:54

> >

> > Hi - I've a query and a comment (wouldn't ya know!) about

> > this new legislation in Portugal.

> >

> > Interesting legislation - and although you don't give a

> > complete list of animals, I presume it would mean all those

> > normally found in zoos, safari parks and circuses? As for

> > pet shops, some do indeed sell exotic birds and fish (are

> > those included?), ferrets, snakes, various kinds of lizards

> > as well as the more usual domestic companion animals such as

> > dogs, cats and bunnies. (I am assuming for now that dogs,

> > cats and bunnies are NOT on the list.)

> >

> > My query is in regard to the hypothetical case of someone

> > who had, say, a parrot or snake, duly registered, and then

> > this guardian's subsequent illness, change of residence or

> > even old age meant that the animal would have to be

> > re-homed. Do you know whether someone else (perhaps a rescue

> > organization) would be permitted to rescue such an animal

> > (not buy - simply adopt/rescue) or would the animal have to

> > be euthanized?

> >

> > My comment is that I doubt very much if so-called farm

> > animals (for consumption of their flesh or their products)

> > are on the list. What a pity. Now THAT would be

> > revolutionary legislation!

> >

> > As for zoos . . . . well that's a fraught topic.

> >

> > Best,

> > Pat

>