Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 If you haven't voted, please do only 10 or 11 members have done so so far, and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world! Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical position for animal guardians? Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hi, Since our dogs come from animal shelters or other rescues they are always spayed or neutered. They don't actually get out of our back yard on their own. I walk them outside of the yard every day but I think it is best that they are spayed or neutered, just in case. I do think it would be good if it were done at the right age and possibly less severely than it is done currently but I don't even know if the veterinarians do that (that is, for the males, an operation similar to the same one for humans) Gary ________________________________ Pat / 'River' <drpatsant Wed, October 28, 2009 7:37:34 AM About the Polls - and a related query If you haven't voted, please do only 10 or 11 members have done so so far, and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world! Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical position for animal guardians? Best, Pat --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I take your point about the operation for male dogs, Gary. I honestly don't know if they do that operation (you're talking about a vasectomy, right?) for dogs - and neither do they do tubal ligations for canine females as far as I know. There are reasons for this, 'They' tell me: the complete removal of ovaries and uterus (I believe that's what's called an ovariohysterectomy) for the females means no ovarian or uterine cancer possibility in the future and significant reduction of the possibility of mammary (ie breast) cancer; removal of the testes in male doges means no testicular cancer, fewer prostate probs, and a few other things. Figures. But humans (who are not after all canine, but . . . ) often think of how they'd feel themselves IF . . . (and some made the decision for themselves for ZPG years ago, so . . . ) But the 'ethical' question considers not only dogs getting 'out' and propagating with the nearest willing partner, but also the health of the dogs. In case everyone thinks I've lost it completely: I add that we're talking DOGS here because Gary has dogs and I have had dogs (mine down to one little elderly blind beagle now). But I do have a wonderful male neutered dsh tiger CAT, and I am so glad he is neutered. And of course there are those who have ferrets, bunnies, parrots/lorikeets, and various other lovely creatures they take care of. But that's me, and that's not a question on the poll after all. Still, I'd like to know what others think Best, Pat , Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote: > > Hi, > > Since our dogs come from animal shelters or other rescues > they are always spayed or neutered. They don't actually get > out of our back yard on their own. I walk them outside of the > yard every day but I think it is best that they are spayed or > neutered, just in case. I do think it would be good if it were > done at the right age and possibly less severely than it is > done currently but I don't even know if the veterinarians > do that (that is, for the males, an operation similar to the > same one for humans) > > Gary > > > > > > ________________________________ > Pat / 'River' <drpatsant > > Wed, October 28, 2009 7:37:34 AM > About the Polls - and a related query > > If you haven't voted, please do only 10 or 11 members have done so so far, and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world! > > Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical position for animal guardians? > > Best, Pat > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 I am against animal breeding, period. When people talk about wanting their children to experience " the miracle of life, " it angers me because I know that so many of those animals will instead be ultimately subjected to the " miracle " of death. There are so many animals without homes and it breaks my heart. Even if a person wants a particular breed, they can be easily found in shelters and on Petfinder. My mom, for example, loves Chihuahuas and found one three weeks ago on Petfinder. He had been living in a breeder's basement in a chicken-wire cage...yes, isn't breeding just lovely? :-( It's also better for the health of the animals to be spayed or neutered. So, yeah, I'm with Bob Barker! :-) AKM, who already cast her vote in the poll! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Angela K. Marvin >^..^< Jackie Independent Watkins Associate www.watkinsonline.com -- For ordering, use Assoc. #382889 or email me! Join my team! Check out http://www.tsginfo.com/index.php?rc=AM6493 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pat / 'River' <drpatsant wrote: Pat / 'River' <drpatsant About the Polls - and a related query Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 9:37 AM If you haven't voted, please do only 10 or 11 members have done so so far, and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world! Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical position for animal guardians? Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2009 Report Share Posted October 28, 2009 Hey, Angela *hugs* Thanks for posting. We can tell anyone who wants their kids to experience the 'miracle of life' that that they can (probably - dunno how myself but they say it's true) possible through the computer on virtual stuff or, at the very worst, watching one creature/person give birth online. (Yup, it happens - I've seen that for human animals). Let 'em watch a live human birth and assure them that non-human animals do it much the same, granting the difference in anatomy. Since when are living creatures a 'teaching tool' eh? With you all the way. But others may disagree. NOTE: any disagreements with posts here should go to the group, not personally. Fair's fair! Best, Pat , " Angela K. Marvin " <angelakmarvin wrote: > > I am against animal breeding, period. When people talk about wanting their children to experience " the miracle of life, " it angers me because I know that so many of those animals will instead be ultimately subjected to the " miracle " of death. There are so many animals without homes and it breaks my heart. > > Even if a person wants a particular breed, they can be easily found in shelters and on Petfinder. My mom, for example, loves Chihuahuas and found one three weeks ago on Petfinder. He had been living in a breeder's basement in a chicken-wire cage...yes, isn't breeding just lovely? :-( > > It's also better for the health of the animals to be spayed or neutered. > > So, yeah, I'm with Bob Barker! :-) > > AKM, who already cast her vote in the poll! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Angela K. Marvin > >^..^< Jackie > > Independent Watkins Associate > www.watkinsonline.com -- For ordering, use Assoc. #382889 or email me! > Join my team! Check out http://www.tsginfo.com/index.php?rc=AM6493 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pat / 'River' <drpatsant wrote: > > > Pat / 'River' <drpatsant > About the Polls - and a related query > > Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 9:37 AM > > > > > > > If you haven't voted, please do only 10 or 11 members have done so so far, and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world! > > Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical position for animal guardians? > > Best, Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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