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If you haven't voted, please do :) only 10 or 11 members have done so so far,

and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world!

 

Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the

pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical

position for animal guardians?

 

Best, Pat

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Hi,

 

Since our dogs come from animal shelters or other rescues

they are always spayed or neutered. They don't actually get

out of our back yard on their own. I walk them outside of the

yard every day but I think it is best that they are spayed or

neutered, just in case. I do think it would be good if it were

done at the right age and possibly less severely than it is

done currently but I don't even know if the veterinarians

do that (that is, for the males, an operation similar to the

same one for humans)

 

Gary

 

 

 

 

 

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Pat / 'River' <drpatsant

 

Wed, October 28, 2009 7:37:34 AM

About the Polls - and a related query

 

If you haven't voted, please do :) only 10 or 11 members have done so so far,

and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world!

 

Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the

pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical

position for animal guardians?

 

Best, Pat

 

 

 

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I take your point about the operation for male dogs, Gary. I honestly don't know

if they do that operation (you're talking about a vasectomy, right?) for dogs -

and neither do they do tubal ligations for canine females as far as I know.

There are reasons for this, 'They' tell me: the complete removal of ovaries and

uterus (I believe that's what's called an ovariohysterectomy) for the females

means no ovarian or uterine cancer possibility in the future and significant

reduction of the possibility of mammary (ie breast) cancer; removal of the

testes in male doges means no testicular cancer, fewer prostate probs, and a few

other things. Figures. But humans (who are not after all canine, but . . . )

often think of how they'd feel themselves IF . . . (and some made the decision

for themselves for ZPG years ago, so . . . )

 

But the 'ethical' question considers not only dogs getting 'out' and propagating

with the nearest willing partner, but also the health of the dogs.

 

In case everyone thinks I've lost it completely: I add that we're talking DOGS

here because Gary has dogs and I have had dogs (mine down to one little elderly

blind beagle now). But I do have a wonderful male neutered dsh tiger CAT, and I

am so glad he is neutered. And of course there are those who have ferrets,

bunnies, parrots/lorikeets, and various other lovely creatures they take care

of.

 

But that's me, and that's not a question on the poll after all. Still, I'd like

to know what others think :)

 

Best,

Pat

 

 

 

 

, Gary Mattingly <gsmattingly wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Since our dogs come from animal shelters or other rescues

> they are always spayed or neutered. They don't actually get

> out of our back yard on their own. I walk them outside of the

> yard every day but I think it is best that they are spayed or

> neutered, just in case. I do think it would be good if it were

> done at the right age and possibly less severely than it is

> done currently but I don't even know if the veterinarians

> do that (that is, for the males, an operation similar to the

> same one for humans)

>

> Gary

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Pat / 'River' <drpatsant

>

> Wed, October 28, 2009 7:37:34 AM

> About the Polls - and a related query

>

> If you haven't voted, please do :) only 10 or 11 members have done so so far,

and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world!

>

> Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the

pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical

position for animal guardians?

>

> Best, Pat

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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I am against animal breeding, period.  When people talk about wanting their

children to experience " the miracle of life, " it angers me because I know that

so many of those animals will instead be ultimately subjected to the " miracle "

of death.  There are so many animals without homes and it breaks my heart. 

 

Even if a person wants a particular breed, they can be easily found in shelters

and on Petfinder.  My mom, for example, loves Chihuahuas and found one three

weeks ago on Petfinder.  He had been living in a breeder's basement in a

chicken-wire cage...yes, isn't breeding just lovely?  :-( 

 

It's also better for the health of the animals to be spayed or neutered. 

 

So, yeah, I'm with Bob Barker!  :-)

 

AKM, who already cast her vote in the poll!

 

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Angela K. Marvin

>^..^<  Jackie

 

Independent Watkins Associate

www.watkinsonline.com -- For ordering, use Assoc. #382889 or email me!

Join my team!  Check out http://www.tsginfo.com/index.php?rc=AM6493

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--- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pat / 'River' <drpatsant wrote:

 

 

Pat / 'River' <drpatsant

About the Polls - and a related query

 

Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 9:37 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you haven't voted, please do :) only 10 or 11 members have done so so far,

and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world!

 

Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the

pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical

position for animal guardians?

 

Best, Pat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey, Angela *hugs* Thanks for posting.

 

We can tell anyone who wants their kids to experience the 'miracle of life' that

that they can (probably - dunno how myself but they say it's true) possible

through the computer on virtual stuff or, at the very worst, watching one

creature/person give birth online. (Yup, it happens - I've seen that for human

animals). Let 'em watch a live human birth and assure them that non-human

animals do it much the same, granting the difference in anatomy.

 

Since when are living creatures a 'teaching tool' eh? With you all the way.

 

But others may disagree.

 

NOTE: any disagreements with posts here should go to the group, not personally.

Fair's fair!

 

Best,

Pat

, " Angela K. Marvin " <angelakmarvin

wrote:

>

> I am against animal breeding, period.  When people talk about wanting their

children to experience " the miracle of life, " it angers me because I know that

so many of those animals will instead be ultimately subjected to the " miracle "

of death.  There are so many animals without homes and it breaks my heart. 

>  

> Even if a person wants a particular breed, they can be easily found in

shelters and on Petfinder.  My mom, for example, loves Chihuahuas and found one

three weeks ago on Petfinder.  He had been living in a breeder's basement in a

chicken-wire cage...yes, isn't breeding just lovely?  :-( 

>  

> It's also better for the health of the animals to be spayed or neutered. 

>  

> So, yeah, I'm with Bob Barker!  :-)

>  

> AKM, who already cast her vote in the poll!

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Angela K. Marvin

> >^..^<  Jackie

>  

> Independent Watkins Associate

> www.watkinsonline.com -- For ordering, use Assoc. #382889 or email me!

> Join my team!  Check out http://www.tsginfo.com/index.php?rc=AM6493

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Pat / 'River' <drpatsant wrote:

>

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> Pat / 'River' <drpatsant

> About the Polls - and a related query

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> If you haven't voted, please do :) only 10 or 11 members have done so so far,

and that's hardly statistically significant. Get in there and change the world!

>

> Oh - and somehow the possibility of spaying and neutering got left out of the

pet/companion animal poll. How do you guys feel about that as an ethical

position for animal guardians?

>

> Best, Pat

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