Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Hi Sunny or Chelosunny and welcome to the group. I'm forwarding your answers to our questionnaire as a kind of introduction for the group - intriguing that you describe yourself as " 2/3 Vegan " - how do you calculate that it's exactly two-thirds? I understand the feeling though, I'm vegan most of the time but when having to depend on hosts, restaurants etc. for what I eat I may relax this stricter requirement. You don't have to spend long browsing our message archive to realize that we have a great interest in Asian foods and often Indonesian, and though I can't claim to have visited 55 countries I certainly enjoy sampling the foods from many different parts of the world, either by having visited them, visiting a restaurant of the country or actually going there! One other question - in your answer to question 3 you seem to imply that you can't put on weight with a vegetarian (or 2/3 vegan) diet. My feeling is that you can gain or lose weight with one of these diets just as much as with an omnivorous diet. But always ready to be corrected! Hope you enjoy the group. Best, Piers (co-owner with Pat) 1. Which description best fits your situation? Other: I am 2/3 Vegan. 2. What is your main reason for choosing a vegetarian or vegan way of life? Personal health and environmental 3. Is your household totally vegetarian? If not, do you find you need to produce non-vegetarian meals some of the time? My husband needs to put on weight. 4. Do you like hot and spicy food? Yes. I like Indonesian food 5. Is there anything else you would like to tell us (such as your country or region, age group, household pets/companion animals, hobbies, activities, interests, indoor and outdoor sports, etc.)? Live in southern California. Serve on the Harbor Area Farmers Markets board as secretary/food editor. www.goodveg.org Have travelled extensively (55 countries) mostly in Asia and Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Dear Piers, In answer to your questions I am VB6 which means that I am Vegan until 6 at night. I discovered this concept in a book by Mark Bittman called Food Matters. Of course, there are many days when I am Vegan/Vegetarian all day.  My husband needs to put on weight. In the evening he has a 2,000 calorie shake when he gets home and then dinner. Sometimes it is vegetarian, expecally on the weekends. When he tells So Cal friends that he needs to put on weight they always tell him to eat Mexican food. Unfortunately he only likes Mexican occasionally. He has braces on his teeth and eating is no longer the pleasure that it once was. This is a partial reason for his weight loss.  Looking forward to being in the group. thanks  Sunny ________________________________ Piers Clement <piersalgarve Wed, January 6, 2010 6:26:36 AM Welcome to new member Sunny  Hi Sunny or Chelosunny and welcome to the group. I'm forwarding your answers to our questionnaire as a kind of introduction for the group - intriguing that you describe yourself as " 2/3 Vegan " - how do you calculate that it's exactly two-thirds? I understand the feeling though, I'm vegan most of the time but when having to depend on hosts, restaurants etc. for what I eat I may relax this stricter requirement. You don't have to spend long browsing our message archive to realize that we have a great interest in Asian foods and often Indonesian, and though I can't claim to have visited 55 countries I certainly enjoy sampling the foods from many different parts of the world, either by having visited them, visiting a restaurant of the country or actually going there! One other question - in your answer to question 3 you seem to imply that you can't put on weight with a vegetarian (or 2/3 vegan) diet. My feeling is that you can gain or lose weight with one of these diets just as much as with an omnivorous diet. But always ready to be corrected! Hope you enjoy the group. Best, Piers (co-owner with Pat) 1. Which description best fits your situation? Other: I am 2/3 Vegan. 2. What is your main reason for choosing a vegetarian or vegan way of life? Personal health and environmental 3. Is your household totally vegetarian? If not, do you find you need to produce non-vegetarian meals some of the time? My husband needs to put on weight. 4. Do you like hot and spicy food? Yes. I like Indonesian food 5. Is there anything else you would like to tell us (such as your country or region, age group, household pets/companion animals, hobbies, activities, interests, indoor and outdoor sports, etc.)? Live in southern California. Serve on the Harbor Area Farmers Markets board as secretary/food editor. www.goodveg. org Have travelled extensively (55 countries) mostly in Asia and Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 mark bittman is not someone whom I would look to on what is a vegan or vegetarian. He looks for excuses to condone whatever he wants to sell.  'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in harmony with the outer world.  Goddess Bless. ________________________________ Rinchen <chelosunny Wed, January 6, 2010 12:03:41 PM Re: Welcome to new member Sunny  Dear Piers, In answer to your questions I am VB6 which means that I am Vegan until 6 at night. I discovered this concept in a book by Mark Bittman called Food Matters. Of course, there are many days when I am Vegan/Vegetarian all day.  My husband needs to put on weight. In the evening he has a 2,000 calorie shake when he gets home and then dinner. Sometimes it is vegetarian, expecally on the weekends. When he tells So Cal friends that he needs to put on weight they always tell him to eat Mexican food. Unfortunately he only likes Mexican occasionally. He has braces on his teeth and eating is no longer the pleasure that it once was. This is a partial reason for his weight loss.  Looking forward to being in the group. thanks  Sunny ____________ _________ _________ __ Piers Clement <piersalgarve@ .co. uk> Wed, January 6, 2010 6:26:36 AM Welcome to new member Sunny  Hi Sunny or Chelosunny and welcome to the group. I'm forwarding your answers to our questionnaire as a kind of introduction for the group - intriguing that you describe yourself as " 2/3 Vegan " - how do you calculate that it's exactly two-thirds? I understand the feeling though, I'm vegan most of the time but when having to depend on hosts, restaurants etc. for what I eat I may relax this stricter requirement. You don't have to spend long browsing our message archive to realize that we have a great interest in Asian foods and often Indonesian, and though I can't claim to have visited 55 countries I certainly enjoy sampling the foods from many different parts of the world, either by having visited them, visiting a restaurant of the country or actually going there! One other question - in your answer to question 3 you seem to imply that you can't put on weight with a vegetarian (or 2/3 vegan) diet. My feeling is that you can gain or lose weight with one of these diets just as much as with an omnivorous diet. But always ready to be corrected! Hope you enjoy the group. Best, Piers (co-owner with Pat) 1. Which description best fits your situation? Other: I am 2/3 Vegan. 2. What is your main reason for choosing a vegetarian or vegan way of life? Personal health and environmental 3. Is your household totally vegetarian? If not, do you find you need to produce non-vegetarian meals some of the time? My husband needs to put on weight. 4. Do you like hot and spicy food? Yes. I like Indonesian food 5. Is there anything else you would like to tell us (such as your country or region, age group, household pets/companion animals, hobbies, activities, interests, indoor and outdoor sports, etc.)? Live in southern California. Serve on the Harbor Area Farmers Markets board as secretary/food editor. www.goodveg. org Have travelled extensively (55 countries) mostly in Asia and Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 " Winterchill " 's flaming of Mark Bittman was uncivil, irresponsible and ignorant. Please clarify your " rules " -- and then apply them. Bittman often posts excellent vegetarian recipes in his New York Times columns. Today, in fact, his column presents four vegetarian Indian-inspired dhal recipes, plus one using Puy (French) lentils. see at: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/dining/06mini.html?ref=dining In the past I have posted a modest number of recipes to this group. At least one of them was derived from a Bittman column. But in recent months this group has come to be characterized by too much attitude -- and not enough recipes. Drpatsant, I think you should devote some serious thought to what kind of group you want, and what kind of people you want participating in it. jrfm Winterchill wrote: > > > mark bittman is not someone whom I would look to on what is a vegan or > vegetarian. > He looks for excuses to condone whatever he wants to sell. > > > 'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for > discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in > harmony with the outer world. > > Goddess Bless. > > ________________________________ > Rinchen <chelosunny <chelosunny%40>> > > <%40> > Wed, January 6, 2010 12:03:41 PM > Re: Welcome to new member Sunny > > > Dear Piers, > In answer to your questions I am VB6 which means that I am Vegan until > 6 at night. I discovered this concept in a book by Mark Bittman called > Food Matters. Of course, there are many days when I am > Vegan/Vegetarian all day. > > My husband needs to put on weight. In the evening he has a 2,000 > calorie shake when he gets home and then dinner. Sometimes it is > vegetarian, expecally on the weekends. When he tells So Cal friends > that he needs to put on weight they always tell him to eat Mexican > food. Unfortunately he only likes Mexican occasionally. He has braces > on his teeth and eating is no longer the pleasure that it once > was. This is a partial reason for his weight loss. > > Looking forward to being in the group. > thanks > Sunny > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Piers Clement <piersalgarve@ .co. uk> > > Wed, January 6, 2010 6:26:36 AM > Welcome to new member Sunny > > > Hi Sunny or Chelosunny and welcome to the group. I'm forwarding your > answers to our questionnaire as a kind of introduction for the group - > intriguing that you describe yourself as " 2/3 Vegan " - how do you > calculate that it's exactly two-thirds? I understand the feeling > though, I'm vegan most of the time but when having to depend on hosts, > restaurants etc. for what I eat I may relax this stricter requirement. > You don't have to spend long browsing our message archive to realize > that we have a great interest in Asian foods and often Indonesian, and > though I can't claim to have visited 55 countries I certainly enjoy > sampling the foods from many different parts of the world, either by > having visited them, visiting a restaurant of the country or actually > going there! > > One other question - in your answer to question 3 you seem to imply > that you can't put on weight with a vegetarian (or 2/3 vegan) diet. My > feeling is that you can gain or lose weight with one of these diets > just as much as with an omnivorous diet. But always ready to be corrected! > > Hope you enjoy the group. Best, Piers (co-owner with Pat) > > 1. Which description best fits your situation? > Other: I am 2/3 Vegan. > > 2. What is your main reason for choosing a vegetarian or vegan way of > life? > Personal health and environmental > > 3. Is your household totally vegetarian? If not, do you find you need > to produce non-vegetarian meals some of the time? > My husband needs to put on weight. > > 4. Do you like hot and spicy food? > Yes. I like Indonesian food > > 5. Is there anything else you would like to tell us (such as your > country or region, age group, household pets/companion animals, > hobbies, activities, interests, indoor and outdoor sports, etc.)? > Live in southern California. Serve on the Harbor Area Farmers Markets > board as secretary/food editor. www.goodveg. org Have travelled > extensively (55 countries) mostly in Asia and Africa. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Hi jrfm, Of course we prefer that comments of this nature are directed to the moderators rather than aired to the whole group - but since you've done this and Pat probably isn't available for an immediate reply, I'll try to answer some of your points. I'm not familiar with Mark Bittman but my feeling is that as vegetarians we can do with all (positive) publicity we get in the media, and if some of it is less well-informed we should accept this. So in this aspect I'm agreeing with you. Of course once members have been accepted and spent a time on moderation they're free to post what they like on the group, and a courteous exchange of opinions is always welcome. Why this criticism you make should blossom out into a general diatribe against the group in general and the moderators in particular is not clear to me. It seems to me that there's room on the group for exchange of opinions as well as of recipes. What's more, anyone who feels that there are aspects of the group which need improvement is welcome to address their views to the moderators, just send the mail to -owner (you can do this using the " Post " or " Reply " facility on the site, using the menu under the " To " line). Best, Piers (co-owner with Pat) , jrfm <alcesalcesalces wrote: > > " Winterchill " 's flaming of Mark Bittman was uncivil, irresponsible and > ignorant. > > Please clarify your " rules " -- and then apply them. > > Bittman often posts excellent vegetarian recipes in his New York Times > columns. Today, in fact, his column presents four vegetarian > Indian-inspired dhal recipes, plus one using Puy (French) lentils. > > see at: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/dining/06mini.html?ref=dining > > In the past I have posted a modest number of recipes to this group. At > least one of them was derived from a Bittman column. But in recent > months this group has come to be characterized by too much attitude -- > and not enough recipes. > > Drpatsant, I think you should devote some serious thought to what kind > of group you want, and what kind of people you want participating in it. > > jrfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 My comments about Bittman was well informed no were my comments uncivil. Bittman is a flexitarian not a vegetarian and he is about as well informed about the movement is as the woman who wrote the book The Vegan Bible.  'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in harmony with the outer world.  Goddess Bless. ________________________________ jrfm <alcesalcesalces " drpatsant " <drpatsant; Wed, January 6, 2010 10:01:53 PM Re: Welcome to new member Sunny  " Winterchill " 's flaming of Mark Bittman was uncivil, irresponsible and ignorant. Please clarify your " rules " -- and then apply them. Bittman often posts excellent vegetarian recipes in his New York Times columns. Today, in fact, his column presents four vegetarian Indian-inspired dhal recipes, plus one using Puy (French) lentils. see at: http://www.nytimes. com/2010/ 01/06/dining/ 06mini.html? ref=dining In the past I have posted a modest number of recipes to this group. At least one of them was derived from a Bittman column. But in recent months this group has come to be characterized by too much attitude -- and not enough recipes. Drpatsant, I think you should devote some serious thought to what kind of group you want, and what kind of people you want participating in it. jrfm Winterchill wrote: > > > mark bittman is not someone whom I would look to on what is a vegan or > vegetarian. > He looks for excuses to condone whatever he wants to sell. > > > 'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for > discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in > harmony with the outer world. > > Goddess Bless. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Rinchen <chelosunny <chelosunny% 40> > > > <vegetarians pice%40grou ps.com> > Wed, January 6, 2010 12:03:41 PM > Re: Welcome to new member Sunny > > > Dear Piers, > In answer to your questions I am VB6 which means that I am Vegan until > 6 at night. I discovered this concept in a book by Mark Bittman called > Food Matters. Of course, there are many days when I am > Vegan/Vegetarian all day. > > My husband needs to put on weight. In the evening he has a 2,000 > calorie shake when he gets home and then dinner. Sometimes it is > vegetarian, expecally on the weekends. When he tells So Cal friends > that he needs to put on weight they always tell him to eat Mexican > food. Unfortunately he only likes Mexican occasionally. He has braces > on his teeth and eating is no longer the pleasure that it once > was. This is a partial reason for his weight loss. > > Looking forward to being in the group. > thanks > Sunny > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Piers Clement <piersalgarve@ .co. uk> > > Wed, January 6, 2010 6:26:36 AM > Welcome to new member Sunny > > > Hi Sunny or Chelosunny and welcome to the group. I'm forwarding your > answers to our questionnaire as a kind of introduction for the group - > intriguing that you describe yourself as " 2/3 Vegan " - how do you > calculate that it's exactly two-thirds? I understand the feeling > though, I'm vegan most of the time but when having to depend on hosts, > restaurants etc. for what I eat I may relax this stricter requirement. > You don't have to spend long browsing our message archive to realize > that we have a great interest in Asian foods and often Indonesian, and > though I can't claim to have visited 55 countries I certainly enjoy > sampling the foods from many different parts of the world, either by > having visited them, visiting a restaurant of the country or actually > going there! > > One other question - in your answer to question 3 you seem to imply > that you can't put on weight with a vegetarian (or 2/3 vegan) diet. My > feeling is that you can gain or lose weight with one of these diets > just as much as with an omnivorous diet. But always ready to be corrected! > > Hope you enjoy the group. Best, Piers (co-owner with Pat) > > 1. Which description best fits your situation? > Other: I am 2/3 Vegan. > > 2. What is your main reason for choosing a vegetarian or vegan way of > life? > Personal health and environmental > > 3. Is your household totally vegetarian? If not, do you find you need > to produce non-vegetarian meals some of the time? > My husband needs to put on weight. > > 4. Do you like hot and spicy food? > Yes. I like Indonesian food > > 5. Is there anything else you would like to tell us (such as your > country or region, age group, household pets/companion animals, > hobbies, activities, interests, indoor and outdoor sports, etc.)? > Live in southern California. Serve on the Harbor Area Farmers Markets > board as secretary/food editor. www.goodveg. org Have travelled > extensively (55 countries) mostly in Asia and Africa. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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