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Posted November 22, 2004 · November 22, 2004

yer velcome..

i thought there was an earthsave chapter in Mi.

but..guess not

how far you from Indy er the like?

canada?

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Nov 22, 2004 10:26 AM

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Posted November 22, 2004 · November 22, 2004

I'm located just about smack dab mid-mitten. Not too far from Lansing, the motor city as it's called here. There are efforts to get an Earthshave chapter up and running in Ann Arbor, MI. Quite a ways from my neck of the woods though.

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Posted November 22, 2004 · November 22, 2004

lol. I mean Earshare. Sorry about the typo. :)Vanessa Hodgson <rosestar13 wrote:

I'm located just about smack dab mid-mitten. Not too far from Lansing, the motor city as it's called here. There are efforts to get an Earthshave chapter up and running in Ann Arbor, MI. Quite a ways from my neck of the woods though.

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Posted November 22, 2004 · November 22, 2004

i thought detriot was the motor city....

lansing should just be happy to be the capitol

hahahahah

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Nov 22, 2004 1:33 PM

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Not too far from Lansing, the motor city as it's called here. There are efforts

to get an Earthshave chapter up and running in Ann Arbor, MI. Quite a ways from

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canada? Vanessa Hodgson

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Posted November 22, 2004 · November 22, 2004

No thanks! Working long, long hours has permanently damaged my brain I think. Perhaps I need to take a nap more than I thought!!! :)fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

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Posted November 22, 2004 · November 22, 2004

welcome to the club...

i didn't get to sleep on saturday til 1pm on sunday..ahahahahahahaand then got

up at 3pm...

woohoo!!

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Nov 22, 2004 2:10 PM

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permanently damaged my brain I think. Perhaps I need to take a nap more than I

thought!!! fraggle

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I mean Earshare. Sorry about the typo. Vanessa

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here. There are efforts to get an Earthshave chapter up and running in Ann

Arbor, MI. Quite a ways from my neck of

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Mi. but..guess not how far you from Indy er the like?

canada? Vanessa Hodgson

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Posted November 23, 2004 · November 23, 2004

Welcome to the group, hope you find something of use....

The Valley Vegan.......Dagmara Alberska <dag wrote:

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Posted November 28, 2004 · November 28, 2004

Shalom Dorith,

You are b'Israel and you are concerned about

availability of ingredients!?? I live in Chicago and

I go OUT OF MY WAY for a good falafel in pita!

Jiraph

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Hello People,

A few days ago I joined this club and I would like to

introduce myself to you all. My name is Dorith

( " Doryt " ) and I am a lady of 58 years Twent-five

years ago I married a vegetarian, since his birth as

both his parents were vegetarians.

Since then we have a vegetarian household, but my

husband allows me to eat meat outside of the home.

However, as long as our three children were young, I

did not do it in front of them, because my husband

wanted them to stay vegetarian as long as possible,

until they would decide for themselves. So sometimes I

eat meat, but in fact very seldomly as I do not crave

it at all.

All three children decided to eat meat, but later on

the oldest one (24) returned to vegetarianism. And his

girlfriend of more than 2 years is also a vegetarian.

We do not live in the US, but I hope I can learn new

recipes from you even though certain ingredients may

not be available here in Israel.

Wishing you a happy meal ~ Dorith

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Posted November 28, 2004 · November 28, 2004

Hi Dorith

I love the way you both allowed for your children to make up their own minds.

My husband and I have chosen not to have children, but I always said if we did,

they would be vegetarian. I would do plenty of research into a suitable

children's diet to make sure they had all their nutrients etc. But they would

not be discouraged from making their own decision when they grew up.

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New member

Hello People,

A few days ago I joined this club and I would like to introduce myself to you

all. My name is Dorith ( " Doryt " ) and I am a lady of 58 years Twent-five

years ago I married a vegetarian, since his birth as both his parents were

vegetarians. Since then we have a vegetarian household, but my husband allows me

to eat meat outside of the home. However, as long as our three children were

young, I did not do it in front of them, because my husband wanted them to stay

vegetarian as long as possible, until they would decide for themselves. So

sometimes I eat meat, but in fact very seldomly as I do not crave it at all.

All three children decided to eat meat, but later on the oldest one (24)

returned to vegetarianism. And his girlfriend of more than 2 years is also a

vegetarian.

We do not live in the US, but I hope I can learn new recipes from you even

though certain ingredients may not be available here in Israel.

Wishing you a happy meal ~ Dorith

Posted December 2, 2004 · December 2, 2004

Hi Hannah - welcome to the group.

Eggs are produced by hens and to keep the supply of hens going they

breed and hatch - all the male chicks are killed at about one day old

because they are of no 'use' to us. So, for us to eat eggs it means

that millions of little male chicks are deprived of their lives.

Good luck with becoming vegan.

BB

Jo

, Hannah Passey <apaluv> wrote:

> hi everyone!

> I'm new to the group.

> I'm hannah, 15 from the UK.

> I've been a vegeterian since i was 11 and im curently considering

becoming a vegan.

> anyways, just thought i'd introduce myself to the group.

>

> Hann x x

>

> p.s. seen as though im considering veganism do you mind if i ask

you guys a question? thanks to the PETA website i've realised that

eating/drinking milk, cheese and other dairy products is wrong and

cruelty to cows and/or goats and so i've decided to cut that out of

my diet. but so far i havn't really found anything wrong with

carrying on to eat free range eggs. i mean the chickens are free to

roam around and they recieve the right treatment they deserve and

everything. so i guess i wanna ask if and why some of you think

eating free range eggs is wrong, maybe i havnt got all the

information on it. Anyways, im not going to eat any more eggs until i

have as much information on it as possible and until i've made up my

mind, so if anyone can help me out with their insights to the mater

it would be great.

>

> test'; " >

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Posted December 2, 2004 · December 2, 2004

welcome hannah

on top of wot Jo said, not only are most of the male chicks killed(by stuffin em in plastic bags to suffocate), but free range really doesn't mean much

instead of being crammed in a battery cage, they can be crammed on the floor of a factory/warehouse...

free range conjurs up images of chickens happily scratching in the dirt, sun on their backs...sorry, fer the most part thats not the case

cheers

fraggle

Posted December 2, 2004 · December 2, 2004

Hannah;

Welcome! I hope you find all the information (and opinions) you need

here.

Jo makes an excellent point. Another point I would make is

that " free range " doesn't really have a legal definition of any

kind. In general, all it really means is that the animals have

access to the outdoors. It could be a bare dirt area 12 " by 12 " and

count, so long as it's outdoors. Also, what do you think happens to

the hens when they get too old to lay? Chicken soup, here we come.

OK, I've probably ranted enough now. Again, welcome.

sara

, " heartwerk " <Heartwork@b...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Hannah - welcome to the group.

>

> Eggs are produced by hens and to keep the supply of hens going

they

> breed and hatch - all the male chicks are killed at about one day

old

> because they are of no 'use' to us. So, for us to eat eggs it

means

> that millions of little male chicks are deprived of their lives.

>

> Good luck with becoming vegan.

>

> BB

> Jo

Posted December 3, 2004 · December 3, 2004

Hi Hann

Welcome to the group

I see that other people have already commented on the free range egg

issue, so won't go too deeply into it myself - just to extend what

Sara said on the free range definition - you'll often find that

although the hen coup has a door to allow hens access to the outside,

you'll often have thousands of hens in a coup which means that

realistically half of them will never get near the door because they

have to fight their way through 500 or so other hens who don't want

to go out!

BB

Peter