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Posted April 29, 2003 · April 29, 2003

Laura, It would be very hard to live with your mother-in-law. I can only

imagine! Anyway, I just wanted to let you know (if you don't already) about

Dixie Diner. They have excellent meat substitutes.. One called BeefNOT!

ground, will fool alot of people. Though it has been over a dozen years

since I have had ground up animal, I think that the BeefNot! ground brought

back memories of ground beef in spaghetti. The website is

http://dixiediner.com

Good Luck and peaceful blessings, Tracy

Posted June 1, 2003 · June 1, 2003

Grilled Summer Vegetables

with Basil-Caper Vinaigrette

Vinaigrette

a.. 1 cup loosely packed basil leaves, finely chopped

b.. 3 tbsps. olive oil, preferably extra-virgin

c.. 1 tbsp. red-wine vinegar

d.. 1 tbsp. bottled capers, drained

e.. 2 tsps. Dijon mustard

f.. 1 tsp. chopped fresh thyme leaves or ½ tsp. dried

g.. ¼ tsp. minced garlic

a.. 1 medium-sized ( 1 ½ pounds) eggplant, cut crosswise in ½ inch thick

rounds

b.. 2 each medium-sized red and yellow bell peppers, halved lengthwise

c.. 2 each medium-sized zucchini and yellow summer squash (about 6 ounces

each), scrubbed and cut lengthwise in ½ inch thick slices

d.. 2 large (1 pound) red onions, peeled and cut crosswise in ½ inch thick

slices

e.. 4 cups chopped ripe tomatoes (note: I prefer to use sun-dried

tomatoes)

Garnish: basil sprigs

1.. Whisk all the vinaigrette ingredients in a medium-size bowl until

thoroughly blended.

2.. Heat grill or broiler.

3.. Lightly spray all vegetables, except tomatoes, with nonstick cooking

spray. Grill or broil sprayed vegetables 4 to 6 inches from heat source,

turning vegetables over once; eggplant and peppers 12 to 15 minutes;

squashes and onion 8 to 10 minutes, until all are tender (eggplant should be

very tender) and slightly charred.

4.. Arrange on serving platter with the tomatoes. Drizzle with vinaigrette

and garnish with basil.

Pasta with grilled summer vegetables

Cut grilled vegetables in chunks. Toss with 1 pound pasta, cooked and

drained, the 4 cups chopped tomatoes, the basil-caper vinaigrette.

(Woman's Day Magazine)

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Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:38 AM

new member

> Hi all

> I'm new to the group.. looking forward to getting

> some new ideas as well as posting some of my fave's.

> I first became vegetarian during the starving student

> years so I've got lot's of healthy inexpensive dishes.

> On Mondays and Tuesdays I'm normally pretty bored at

> work, so those are probably the days that I'll post

> recipes.

>

> I'm looking for new barbecue ideas - different

> marinades, etc.. and yes I've already dobe

> portobellos, zuchini, etc...

>

> mike

>

> =====

>

> my trade lists

>

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Posted June 5, 2003 · June 5, 2003

My nephew is a meat eater and is almost 8. He weighs

42 pounds!!! He is short for his age (smallest in his

second grade class). He has never eaten much and has

always been this thin. His parents regularly take him

to McDonald's. His 4 and a half year old brother

weighs 39 pounds and is almost as tall as him. The 8

year old has never been diagnosed with " failure to

thrive " and has never been sent to a dietician. It has

nothing to do with your diet.

We had this problem when my daughter was about 15

months old. She was only 17 or 18 pounds. She is now

almost 22 months and not quite 23 pounds. That's the

5th - 10th percentile or so. Our pediatrician looks at

her motor and cognitive development instead. She is

above normal in all areas. She is potty trained during

the day, sings complete songs with few missing words,

counts to ten, and has some letter recognition (when

she sees an A saw apple when she sees a M says mama,

and several others).

Look at your family history. My mom pulled my baby

book out and looked at my weight and height. My mom

fed me meat, and my dd is almost exactly the same

weight and height I was at her age.

Maybe you need to find a new pediatrician, one more

sensative and knowledgeable of vegetarianism/veganism.

Good Luck. I know how stressful this can be. If your

veg, of course your child's diet must be inadequate. I

am so tired of people who are uneducated about this,

and think we are starving our children.

AAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!

Peace,

Joann

--- tsomerson <tsomerson wrote:

> Hello to all. I am a new member, though I've been

> reading the posts for the past couple of weeks and

> have been doing a lot of thinking about at least one

> of the threads. I have not eaten meat or fish for

> 25 years and have avoided using or consuming other

> animal products as much as possible. But the

> perpetual question of what is a vegetarian/vegan is

> one that I can't get involved with because I really

> believe that people have to follow their own hearts

> and do what they can to further the cause. I

> greatly admire PETA for its militancy but I also

> embrace any effort -- however small -- made by

> people who nevertheless may be a bit clumsy in their

> attempt to become " vegetarians. " I remember

> visiting an amazing animal shelter called Best

> Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah a few years ago,

> where vegan meals were served to visitors but the

> message was very gentle, and everyone was welcome --

> whether vegetarian or not. I completely reject the

> person who calls him- or herself a vegetarian

> because it is fashionable, and then innocently eats

> a tuna fish sandwich. But when I meet someone who

> wishes to be a vegetarian because he or she realizes

> it is chauvinistic and just plain wrong for humans

> to consume and otherwise exploit animals, I respect

> that and appreciate the logistical challenges that

> person will face.

>

> Having said that, I'll get to the real reason I

> joined this group. I have an almost-four-year-old

> son -- my only child -- who has been an ovo-lacto

> vegetarian from birth. At his two-year physical

> exam, his pediatrician expressed some concern about

> his weight, and we were launched into a seemingly

> endless cycle of nutritionist and GI specialist

> visits to try to get his weight up. We've examined

> every possible medical and behavioral cause, tried

> different supplements and medicines, checked for

> allergies, and even endured exploratory surgery, all

> to no avail. My son is about 27 pounds at 47 months

> -- admittedly, very thin. But he is as bright as

> can be and so full of energy that his doctors once

> joked that if he ever stopped moving he'd probably

> gain five pounds immediately. He is healthy -- he

> has few colds, has never had an ear infection, has

> no allergies, and developmentally is at or above

> where he should be. But he is simply not interested

> in eating very much, and I've struggled to remain

> calm about it. As for his vegetarianism, while the

> doctors have never suggested that I should feed my

> son meat (though one nurse practitioner did, right

> before she diagnosed him " failure to thrive " ),

> recently two friends advised me separately to stop

> the vegetarian diet. How absurd to suggest that my

> son's health would improve if he started eating

> meat! Perhaps a better idea would be to develop a

> weight chart for children who haven't been raised

> eating food that is riddled with growth hormones.

>

> Anyway, I would be interested to hear whether other

> parents of vegetarian and vegan children have had

> concerns about weight, size, etc. The funny thing

> is that my son is a proud " vegerarian, " as he puts

> it. When he was about three, I started to talk with

> him about the reasons why mom and dad don't eat

> meat, and he seems just fine with it. He has never

> been to McDonalds -- though it's good to hear about

> the veggie burgers being introduced at some of the

> fast food places -- and I do expect that the peer

> pressure will set in eventually but until then we're

> doing okay. His school knows his situation and is

> supportive. But I've always said that he can make

> his own choice when the time comes, but in the

> meantime I've been trying to create an enivironment

> that will help him understand the issues and learn

> to respect animals. I figure if he sees me taking

> spiders outside, or stepping around ants, that will

> be what's natural and familiar to him.

>

> Thanks for any advice you can give me,

>

> Terry

>

> P.S. Try the Jumbo Smart Dogs. They're the best.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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Posted June 5, 2003 · June 5, 2003

My boy has always been thin, healthy as can be (never an ear infection) or

any bad diseases. He has a few colds a year and that is it. Luckily, my docs

never said anything about diet, they just accepted that his metabolism was

high. You are right on about making new growth charts for children who have not

been raised with animal growth hormones. Good Luck, Tracy

> Having said that, I'll get to the real reason I joined this group. I have

> an almost-four-year-old son -- my only child -- who has been an ovo-lacto

> vegetarian from birth. At his two-year physical exam, his pediatrician

> expressed some concern about his weight, and we were launched into a seemingly

> endless cycle of nutritionist and GI specialist visits to try to get his

weight up.

> We've examined every possible medical and behavioral cause, tried different

> supplements and medicines, checked for allergies, and even endured

> exploratory surgery, all to no avail. My son is about 27 pounds at 47 months

--

> admittedly, very thin. But he is as bright as can be and so full of energy

that

> his doctors once joked that if he ever stopped moving he'd probably gain five

> pounds immediately. He is healthy -- he has few colds, has never had an ear

> infection, has no allergies, and developmentally is at or above where he

should

> be. But he is simply not interested in eating very much, and I've struggled

> to remain calm about it. As for his vegetarianism, while the doctors have

> never suggested that I should feed my son meat (though one nurse practitioner

> did, right before she diagnosed him " failure to thrive " ), recently two

> friends advised me separately to stop the vegetarian diet. How absurd to

suggest

> that my son's health would improve if he started eating meat! Perhaps a

> better idea would be to develop a weight chart for children who haven't been

> raised eating food that is riddled with growth hormones.

>

Posted June 5, 2003 · June 5, 2003

Welcome, Terry.

I have a HUGE little boy, so I can't really relate to your problem. David is

almost 27 pounds at 14 months, but he's been big since before birth. He's also

a lacto-ovo vegetarian, and I'm sure he's getting what he needs because I keep

charts all over my refrigerator with iron sources and so forth. I also keep a

food diary.

Does your son have favorite foods? Does he enjoy his meals? If you think he's

eating plenty, then I don't think you have anything to worry about. I was VERY

skinny when I was a child and people used to think I didn't eat. It used to bug

me because I DID eat! I just had a really fast metabolism.

Welcome to the list! I've only been a vegetarian for 5 months. I made the

decision for myself because I made the decision for my baby. Hubby is doing

pretty well but still eats meat from time to time.

Jan

>

> " tsomerson " <tsomerson

> 2003/06/04 Wed PM 12:35:50 EDT

>

> New member

>

Posted June 6, 2003 · June 6, 2003

My best weight gain trick is to add avocado and

butterscotch flax oil to smoothies. You can pack alot

of calories in a smoothie and most kids like them. My

boys call them milkshakes and often I get them thick

enough to be icecream. My boys aren't big eaters

either. I try to make sure their calories count.

Snacks are often trail mix or the above ice cream. My

trail mix right now has dried bananas, chocolate

covered raisins, regular raisins, raw cashews,

almonds, peanuts. My kids like picking out their own

stuff at Whole Foods in the bulk bin, then we bring it

home and put it in a big jar.

Does he like pancakes? You can add all kinds of good

stuff to those and pat on some Earth Balance and pour

on some good real Maple Syrup. Lots of calories there

=) Nut butters can be added to the batter. Kids can

help make them and you can pour them in the shape of

letters to spell their name.

When my 3 year old boy was a year he started having

some problems. Turned out he was getting constipated

from bananas and it was interferring with his weight.

Maybe you could watch for his bowel movements.

Good Luck!!

Heather

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Posted June 6, 2003 · June 6, 2003

Terry,

Both my kids have been vegetarian from birth (they are, one on the verge of

turning twenty and the other is fourteen). My daughter (the older one) was

right on the " average " throughout her early years, my son was off the charts in

both height and weight, being much bigger than the clinically accepted

average.

At the same time, I have a niece, who is not vegetarian who has yet to see

the bottom end of the charts, she's eight. Very active, but very short and

skinny.

Kids come all different ways and they just don't all fit conveniently in

little categories.

It's important to get things checked out to assure yourself that there isn't

something wrong or something that you can do something about. If the kid is

eating properly, is active, interested and learning normally and not lethargic

or introverted, I wouldn't worry too much.

Phil

" It's easy to say, 'It's not my child, not my community, not my world, not my

problem'. Then there are those who see the need and respond. I consider those

people my heroes. " - Fred Rogers

Posted June 6, 2003 · June 6, 2003

Hi everyone! I am new to the boards, I just wanted

to send a quick reply to this post. My husband and I

have been vegetarian for 11 years now and we have 2

beautiful children Emma is 5 and weighs 32 pounds and

Peter is 4 and weighs 28 pounds. They have both been

raised vegetarian. I just wanted to let you know that

you are not alone when it comes to small children. It

sounds like he is perfectly healthy and that there is

nothing to worry about...

Good Luck,

Laurie

--- tsomerson <tsomerson wrote:

> Hello to all. I am a new member, though I've been

> reading the posts for the past couple of weeks and

> have been doing a lot of thinking about at least one

> of the threads. I have not eaten meat or fish for

> 25 years and have avoided using or consuming other

> animal products as much as possible. But the

> perpetual question of what is a vegetarian/vegan is

> one that I can't get involved with because I really

> believe that people have to follow their own hearts

> and do what they can to further the cause. I

> greatly admire PETA for its militancy but I also

> embrace any effort -- however small -- made by

> people who nevertheless may be a bit clumsy in their

> attempt to become " vegetarians. " I remember

> visiting an amazing animal shelter called Best

> Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah a few years ago,

> where vegan meals were served to visitors but the

> message was very gentle, and everyone was welcome --

> whether vegetarian or not. I completely reject the

> person who calls him- or herself a vegetarian

> because it is fashionable, and then innocently eats

> a tuna fish sandwich. But when I meet someone who

> wishes to be a vegetarian because he or she realizes

> it is chauvinistic and just plain wrong for humans

> to consume and otherwise exploit animals, I respect

> that and appreciate the logistical challenges that

> person will face.

>

> Having said that, I'll get to the real reason I

> joined this group. I have an almost-four-year-old

> son -- my only child -- who has been an ovo-lacto

> vegetarian from birth. At his two-year physical

> exam, his pediatrician expressed some concern about

> his weight, and we were launched into a seemingly

> endless cycle of nutritionist and GI specialist

> visits to try to get his weight up. We've examined

> every possible medical and behavioral cause, tried

> different supplements and medicines, checked for

> allergies, and even endured exploratory surgery, all

> to no avail. My son is about 27 pounds at 47 months

> -- admittedly, very thin. But he is as bright as

> can be and so full of energy that his doctors once

> joked that if he ever stopped moving he'd probably

> gain five pounds immediately. He is healthy -- he

> has few colds, has never had an ear infection, has

> no allergies, and developmentally is at or above

> where he should be. But he is simply not interested

> in eating very much, and I've struggled to remain

> calm about it. As for his vegetarianism, while the

> doctors have never suggested that I should feed my

> son meat (though one nurse practitioner did, right

> before she diagnosed him " failure to thrive " ),

> recently two friends advised me separately to stop

> the vegetarian diet. How absurd to suggest that my

> son's health would improve if he started eating

> meat! Perhaps a better idea would be to develop a

> weight chart for children who haven't been raised

> eating food that is riddled with growth hormones.

>

> Anyway, I would be interested to hear whether other

> parents of vegetarian and vegan children have had

> concerns about weight, size, etc. The funny thing

> is that my son is a proud " vegerarian, " as he puts

> it. When he was about three, I started to talk with

> him about the reasons why mom and dad don't eat

> meat, and he seems just fine with it. He has never

> been to McDonalds -- though it's good to hear about

> the veggie burgers being introduced at some of the

> fast food places -- and I do expect that the peer

> pressure will set in eventually but until then we're

> doing okay. His school knows his situation and is

> supportive. But I've always said that he can make

> his own choice when the time comes, but in the

> meantime I've been trying to create an enivironment

> that will help him understand the issues and learn

> to respect animals. I figure if he sees me taking

> spiders outside, or stepping around ants, that will

> be what's natural and familiar to him.

>

> Thanks for any advice you can give me,

>

> Terry

>

> P.S. Try the Jumbo Smart Dogs. They're the best.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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Posted June 7, 2003 · June 7, 2003

Hi Terry,

You didn't mention how your son's growth curve looks for his weight. Even if

he may be a low percentile for his age/wt - if his curve over the years is

consistent, then he would not be considered FTT. Some kids are just small.

My daughter is a peanut, but she was also a preemie. Her growth curve is

appropriate though.

HTH,

Melodese

tsomerson [tsomerson]

Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:36 AM

New member

Hello to all. I am a new member, though I've been reading the posts for

the past couple of weeks and have been doing a lot of thinking about at

least one of the threads. I have not eaten meat or fish for 25 years and

have avoided using or consuming other animal products as much as possible.

But the perpetual question of what is a vegetarian/vegan is one that I can't

get involved with because I really believe that people have to follow their

own hearts and do what they can to further the cause. I greatly admire PETA

for its militancy but I also embrace any effort -- however small -- made by

people who nevertheless may be a bit clumsy in their attempt to become

" vegetarians. " I remember visiting an amazing animal shelter called Best

Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah a few years ago, where vegan meals were

served to visitors but the message was very gentle, and everyone was

welcome -- whether vegetarian or not. I completely reject th! e person who

calls him- or herself a vegetarian because it is fashionable, and then

innocently eats a tuna fish sandwich. But when I meet someone who wishes to

be a vegetarian because he or she realizes it is chauvinistic and just plain

wrong for humans to consume and otherwise exploit animals, I respect that

and appreciate the logistical challenges that person will face.

Having said that, I'll get to the real reason I joined this group. I have

an almost-four-year-old son -- my only child -- who has been an ovo-lacto

vegetarian from birth. At his two-year physical exam, his pediatrician

expressed some concern about his weight, and we were launched into a

seemingly endless cycle of nutritionist and GI specialist visits to try to

get his weight up. We've examined every possible medical and behavioral

cause, tried different supplements and medicines, checked for allergies, and

even endured exploratory surgery, all to no avail. My son is about 27 pounds

at 47 months -- admittedly, very thin. But he is as bright as can be and so

full of energy that his doctors once joked that if he ever stopped moving

he'd probably gain five pounds immediately. He is healthy -- he has few

colds, has never had an ear infection, has no allergies, and developmentally

is at or above where he should be. But he is simply not interested in e!

ating very much, and I've struggled to remain calm about it. As for his

vegetarianism, while the doctors have never suggested that I should feed my

son meat (though one nurse practitioner did, right before she diagnosed him

" failure to thrive " ), recently two friends advised me separately to stop the

vegetarian diet. How absurd to suggest that my son's health would improve

if he started eating meat! Perhaps a better idea would be to develop a

weight chart for children who haven't been raised eating food that is

riddled with growth hormones.

Anyway, I would be interested to hear whether other parents of vegetarian

and vegan children have had concerns about weight, size, etc. The funny

thing is that my son is a proud " vegerarian, " as he puts it. When he was

about three, I started to talk with him about the reasons why mom and dad

don't eat meat, and he seems just fine with it. He has never been to

McDonalds -- though it's good to hear about the veggie burgers being

introduced at some of the fast food places -- and I do expect that the peer

pressure will set in eventually but until then we're doing okay. His school

knows his situation and is supportive. But I've always said that he can

make his own choice when the time comes, but in the meantime I've been

trying to create an enivironment that will help him understand the issues

and learn to respect animals. I figure if he sees me taking spiders

outside, or stepping around ants, that will be what's natural and familiar !

to him.

Thanks for any advice you can give me,

Terry

P.S. Try the Jumbo Smart Dogs. They're the best.

Posted June 8, 2003 · June 8, 2003

First of all, what I am is a " whole food " (meaning, just about every thing I

make is made form whole foods that have not been processed in anyway, like

canned goods and the like) vegetarian, striving (so far successfully) for

veganism, and for me, first and foremost its health issues! Having some colon

and arthritic conditions, going veggie,and recently striving for veganism, I've

noticed a HUGE difference in how I feel...i.e. less swelling in the joints

(tons of salt in processed foods), more and better colon function, weight loss,

no fatigue, healthier hair, nails, and sleeping better. No more heart

palpitations from sugar overload and caffine consumption, and the list goes on.

Secondly, for me, as cleansing the body begins, cleansing the inner self has

come along for the ride! I find my mind clearer, my ethics heightened, and my

spiritual awareness finer. I am more in tune with my emotions, my likes,

dislikes, expectations, and I am an all around happier person, and that makes my

hubby happier too if you catch my drift ;-) I have a LOT more engery for that

too!

Once you stop feeding your body the fat laden, overly salted and hormone

injected foods you will notice a new and exciting palat of flavors. Healthy food

will take on a whole new meaning for you. Fresh strawberries will be your candy

instead of chocolate, and beans will be your comfort food instead of burgers and

fries. There is a layer covering the surface of your tongue due to high fat

foods, added preservatives and the like that will diminish as you make the

transition, its during and after this transition that you will notice the new

flavors of food. Could'nt hurt to try, right? I'll let other elaborate on the

issues of ethics.

Nancy

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Alex.

Sunday, June 08, 2003 8:15 PM

new member

hello to all. I'm not sure how I came to be here, I think I was

invited to join. I've been lurking a bit, reading the posts and

wondering about vegetarianism. I once thought about going veggie and

even chose a start date, back in my athletic days when I was a racing

cyclist, running, swimming, weight training and charging up and down

mountains just for fun. However when the big day came round, I awoke

to the smell of breakfast being cooked by my wife, bacon, eggs

sausages,kidneys (underdone)and lambs liver (pink) and all thoughts

of going veggie evaporated with the steam from the cafetiere.I'm

afraid I have to say if there isnt meat on the plate, it isnt a meal.

To compound my sins, I earn my living as a chef, which includes all

types of meat preparation and I love to sink my teeth into a sirloin

or fillet steak cooked au bleu, washed down with a hefty red Rioja. I

fully realise this is totally at odds with the aims of this group, so

go ahead and tell me why anyone should go veggie. no hate mail

please, I would prefer reasoned argument and who knows, I might even

reveal one or two veggie dishes which I personally enjoy!

Posted June 8, 2003 · June 8, 2003

> To compound my sins, I earn my living as a chef, which includes

all

> types of meat preparation and I love to sink my teeth into a

sirloin

> or fillet steak cooked au bleu, washed down with a hefty red

Rioja.

We're glad to have a chef here! I assume you work in a restaurant?

We were just having a discussion as to what we should do when we go

into a restaurant and there are no veggie options on the menu? I

also assume that most chefs would know what " veggie " means and could

whip something up. What are your ideas on this? I have a vegan

friend who always requests to speak to the chef in a new restaurant

to double check on the ingredients of menu items. Is this an

acceptable thing to do, should we send the waiter instead? Why

don't more restaurants have veggie options? Do you get a lot of

requests for veggie items? Why do restaurants fry the veggie

burgers on the grill right next to the meat burgers? (This is the

reason I won't order veggie burgers in restaurants.)

Tell us more!!!!!

Posted June 8, 2003 · June 8, 2003

Hi Alex. Welcome to the group!! :-) There are a lot of people on this list that

aren't veggie either. I've only been one for about three weeks. I feel much

better since I gave up meat and dairy. That's a good reason to give it up. Also,

did you know that protein depletes our bones of calcium? That's another good

reason. There are many other reasons too. Here's a couple of web sites for you

to check out:

http://www.slaughterhousecam.com/

http://notmilk.com/

~Janice~

Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way!

-

Alex.

Sunday, June 08, 2003 5:15 PM