Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Those who are interested or simply curious may want to give this a shot. Why not? What can it hurt??? Let us know if you decide to follow it, okay??? http://support.pcrm.org/site/PageServer?pagename=21day_vegan_kickstart Best, Pat --- " If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. " George Bernard Shaw " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. " Oscar Wilde. ________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 It shouldn't be too hard for someone who is already vegetarian.I tried to get my daughter to do it in Jan., but it was too foreign to her. I'm already a vegan. Patricia --- On Sun, 2/21/10, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: drpatsant <drpatsant Kickstart Program - link " vegetarian spice " , " vegetariansincanada " <vegetariansincanada > Sunday, February 21, 2010, 4:43 PM Those who are interested or simply curious may want to give this a shot. Why not? What can it hurt??? Let us know if you decide to follow it, okay??? http://support.pcrm.org/site/PageServer?pagename=21day_vegan_kickstart Best, Pat --- " If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. " George Bernard Shaw " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. " Oscar Wilde. ________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I signed up for this...Should be exciting to see what this brings. I notice that I get healthy and lose weight when I follow the vegan diet. In Caritate et Ratione, Christian Ambrose Wade hypatia1128 ''Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. I am not afraid.''~MARCUS AURELIUS Receive a FREE vegetarian starter kit and a FREE DVD at VegetarianStarterKit.com Got beer? I prefer Guinness. <a href= " http://www.eggindustry.com/pledge/ " target= " _blank " ><img src= " http://www.eggindustry.com/img/banners/30-days-banner-468x60.jpg " height= " 60 " width= " 468 " /></a> --- On Sun, 2/21/10, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: > drpatsant <drpatsant > Kickstart Program - link > " vegetarian spice " , " vegetariansincanada " <vegetariansincanada > > Sunday, February 21, 2010, 6:43 PM > Those who are interested or simply > curious may want to give this a shot. Why not? What can it > hurt??? > Let us know if you decide to follow it, okay??? > > http://support.pcrm.org/site/PageServer?pagename=21day_vegan_kickstart > > Best, Pat > > --- > " If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as > well make it dance. " > George Bernard Shaw > > > " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be > wrong. " > Oscar Wilde. > > > > > ________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi Patricia Sorry it didn't take for your daughter, but good try on your part. But even if she had tried for just a little while it would still have saved some animals, you know? And that's all to the good. Me, I tend to (still, against all evidence) think/hope that young(er) people (anyone one or more generations younger than I am) are more adventurous and will have the verve to try something foreign to them, if only to prove that they could do it if they wanted to Thanks for writing in. I'm already vegan too, but I'm using this Kickstart Program as an excuse to get even more healthy and to encourage others to try veganism for their own sake if not for their fellow creatures. Hugs, Pat , Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote: > > It shouldn't be too hard for someone who is already vegetarian.I tried to get my daughter to do it in Jan., but it was too foreign to her. I'm already a vegan. > > Patricia > > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: > > drpatsant <drpatsant > Kickstart Program - link > " vegetarian spice " , " vegetariansincanada " <vegetariansincanada > > Sunday, February 21, 2010, 4:43 PM > > Those who are interested or simply curious may want to give this a shot. Why not? What can it hurt??? > Let us know if you decide to follow it, okay??? > > http://support.pcrm.org/site/PageServer?pagename=21day_vegan_kickstart > > Best, Pat > > --- > " If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. " > George Bernard Shaw > > > " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. " > Oscar Wilde. > > > > ________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Good for you!!! Hope there are others - and how good that you see how healthy it makes you! Not only that, but it's kinda fun to start something new as winter ends and we look towards spring, so there's the benefit of the challenge too - good for the mind. Btw, love your Marcus Aurelius quotation in your signature. I might steal it!!!! Hugs. Pat > I signed up for this...Should be exciting to see what this brings. > > I notice that I get healthy and lose weight when I follow the vegan diet. > > In Caritate et Ratione, > > > > Christian Ambrose Wade > hypatia1128 > > ''Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones. I am not afraid.''~MARCUS AURELIUS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I think the movement to at least becoming vegetarian is just getting started, I think as some of the older ideas die out that new ones will be more welcoming.  Especially in the light of the fact that the animal-less diet is really healthier and people discover that this eating style is more then just a plate of lettuce and cucumber.  Not that there is anything wrong with a plate of lettuce and cucumber As more people become sophisticated and evolve into less violent beings we will see more people realize that good food/clothing should not come in the form of cruelty. 'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in harmony with the outer world.  Goddess Bless. ________________________________ Pat <drpatsant Mon, February 22, 2010 4:41:59 AM Re: Kickstart Program - link  Hi Patricia Sorry it didn't take for your daughter, but good try on your part. But even if she had tried for just a little while it would still have saved some animals, you know? And that's all to the good. Me, I tend to (still, against all evidence) think/hope that young(er) people (anyone one or more generations younger than I am) are more adventurous and will have the verve to try something foreign to them, if only to prove that they could do it if they wanted to Thanks for writing in. I'm already vegan too, but I'm using this Kickstart Program as an excuse to get even more healthy and to encourage others to try veganism for their own sake if not for their fellow creatures. Hugs, Pat , Patricia <moondreamer64_ 2000 wrote: > > It shouldn't be too hard for someone who is already vegetarian.I tried to get my daughter to do it in Jan., but it was too foreign to her. I'm already a vegan. > > Patricia > > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, drpatsant@.. . <drpatsant@. ..> wrote: > > drpatsant@.. . <drpatsant@. ..> > Kickstart Program - link > " vegetarian spice " <>, " vegetariansincanad a " <vegetariansincanada > > Sunday, February 21, 2010, 4:43 PM > > Those who are interested or simply curious may want to give this a shot. Why not? What can it hurt??? > Let us know if you decide to follow it, okay??? > > http://support. pcrm.org/ site/PageServer? pagename= 21day_vegan_ kickstart > > Best, Pat > > --- > " If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. " > George Bernard Shaw > > > " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. " > Oscar Wilde. > > > >    ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr. com/gift/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I do so hope you're right, and in my more cheerful moments I am sure that you must be. Certainly there are more vegetarians now - percentage-wise - in the western world than there ever have been (but don't ask me for statistics - it's just what I read somewhere). Asia has understood for years the advantages of a vegetarian diet, even though not everyone is vegetarian. As for changing into less violent beings, that is a strong hope with me. All this damned war going on!!!!! Don't they know war kills???? Hugs, Pat , Winterchill <winterchill57 wrote: > > I think the movement to at least becoming vegetarian is just getting started, I think as some of the older ideas die out that new ones will be more welcoming.  Especially in the light of the fact that the animal-less diet is really healthier and people discover that this eating style is more then just a plate of lettuce and cucumber.  Not that there is anything wrong with a plate of lettuce and cucumber > As more people become sophisticated and evolve into less violent beings we will see more people realize that good food/clothing should not come in the form of cruelty. > > > > 'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in harmony with the outer world. >  > Goddess Bless. > > > > > ________________________________ > Pat <drpatsant > > Mon, February 22, 2010 4:41:59 AM > Re: Kickstart Program - link > >  > Hi Patricia Sorry it didn't take for your daughter, but good try on your part. But even if she had tried for just a little while it would still have saved some animals, you know? And that's all to the good. Me, I tend to (still, against all evidence) think/hope that young(er) people (anyone one or more generations younger than I am) are more adventurous and will have the verve to try something foreign to them, if only to prove that they could do it if they wanted to > > Thanks for writing in. I'm already vegan too, but I'm using this Kickstart Program as an excuse to get even more healthy and to encourage others to try veganism for their own sake if not for their fellow creatures. > > Hugs, Pat > > , Patricia <moondreamer64_ 2000@> wrote: > > > > It shouldn't be too hard for someone who is already vegetarian.I tried to get my daughter to do it in Jan., but it was too foreign to her. I'm already a vegan. > > > > Patricia > > > > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, drpatsant@ . <drpatsant@ ..> wrote: > > > > drpatsant@ . <drpatsant@ ..> > > Kickstart Program - link > > " vegetarian spice " <>, " vegetariansincanad a " <vegetariansincanada > > > Sunday, February 21, 2010, 4:43 PM > > > > Those who are interested or simply curious may want to give this a shot. Why not? What can it hurt??? > > Let us know if you decide to follow it, okay??? > > > > http://support. pcrm.org/ site/PageServer? pagename= 21day_vegan_ kickstart > > > > Best, Pat > > > > --- > > " If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. " > > George Bernard Shaw > > > > > > " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. " > > Oscar Wilde. > > > > > > > >    ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > > > http://www.flickr. com/gift/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I hate to be a party pooper, but Hitler was a vegetarian. Patricia --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Pat <drpatsant wrote: Pat <drpatsant Re: Kickstart Program - link Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:59 AM I do so hope you're right, and in my more cheerful moments I am sure that you must be. Certainly there are more vegetarians now - percentage-wise - in the western world than there ever have been (but don't ask me for statistics - it's just what I read somewhere). Asia has understood for years the advantages of a vegetarian diet, even though not everyone is vegetarian. As for changing into less violent beings, that is a strong hope with me. All this damned war going on!!!!! Don't they know war kills???? Hugs, Pat , Winterchill <winterchill57 wrote: > > I think the movement to at least becoming vegetarian is just getting started, I think as some of the older ideas die out that new ones will be more welcoming.  Especially in the light of the fact that the animal-less diet is really healthier and people discover that this eating style is more then just a plate of lettuce and cucumber.  Not that there is anything wrong with a plate of lettuce and cucumber > As more people become sophisticated and evolve into less violent beings we will see more people realize that good food/clothing should not come in the form of cruelty. > > > > 'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in harmony with the outer world. >  > Goddess Bless. > > > > > ________________________________ > Pat <drpatsant > > Mon, February 22, 2010 4:41:59 AM > Re: Kickstart Program - link > >  > Hi Patricia Sorry it didn't take for your daughter, but good try on your part. But even if she had tried for just a little while it would still have saved some animals, you know? And that's all to the good. Me, I tend to (still, against all evidence) think/hope that young(er) people (anyone one or more generations younger than I am) are more adventurous and will have the verve to try something foreign to them, if only to prove that they could do it if they wanted to > > Thanks for writing in. I'm already vegan too, but I'm using this Kickstart Program as an excuse to get even more healthy and to encourage others to try veganism for their own sake if not for their fellow creatures. > > Hugs, Pat > > , Patricia <moondreamer64_ 2000@> wrote: > > > > It shouldn't be too hard for someone who is already vegetarian.I tried to get my daughter to do it in Jan., but it was too foreign to her. I'm already a vegan. > > > > Patricia > > > > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, drpatsant@ . <drpatsant@ ..> wrote: > > > > drpatsant@ . <drpatsant@ ..> > > Kickstart Program - link > > " vegetarian spice " <>, " vegetariansincanad a " <vegetariansincanada > > > Sunday, February 21, 2010, 4:43 PM > > > > Those who are interested or simply curious may want to give this a shot. Why not? What can it hurt??? > > Let us know if you decide to follow it, okay??? > > > > http://support. pcrm.org/ site/PageServer? pagename= 21day_vegan_ kickstart > > > > Best, Pat > > > > --- > > " If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. " > > George Bernard Shaw > > > > > > " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. " > > Oscar Wilde. > > > > > > > >    ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > > > http://www.flickr. com/gift/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 But far more bad people who eat meat, it is all in perspective and Hitler was insane  'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in harmony with the outer world.  Goddess Bless. ________________________________ Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 Mon, February 22, 2010 3:22:23 PM Re: Re: Kickstart Program - link  I hate to be a party pooper, but Hitler was a vegetarian. Patricia --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Pat <drpatsant > wrote: Pat <drpatsant > Re: Kickstart Program - link Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:59 AM I do so hope you're right, and in my more cheerful moments I am sure that you must be. Certainly there are more vegetarians now - percentage-wise - in the western world than there ever have been (but don't ask me for statistics - it's just what I read somewhere). Asia has understood for years the advantages of a vegetarian diet, even though not everyone is vegetarian. As for changing into less violent beings, that is a strong hope with me. All this damned war going on!!!!! Don't they know war kills???? Hugs, Pat , Winterchill <winterchill57@ ...> wrote: > > I think the movement to at least becoming vegetarian is just getting started, I think as some of the older ideas die out that new ones will be more welcoming.  Especially in the light of the fact that the animal-less diet is really healthier and people discover that this eating style is more then just a plate of lettuce and cucumber.  Not that there is anything wrong with a plate of lettuce and cucumber > As more people become sophisticated and evolve into less violent beings we will see more people realize that good food/ clothing should not come in the form of cruelty. > > > > 'Do what thou wilt, but harm none'. Each individual is responsible for discovering his or her own true nature and developing it fully, in harmony with the outer world. >  > Goddess Bless. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Pat <drpatsant@. ..> > > Mon, February 22, 2010 4:41:59 AM > Re: Kickstart Program - link > >  > Hi Patricia Sorry it didn't take for your daughter, but good try on your part. But even if she had tried for just a little while it would still have saved some animals, you know? And that's all to the good. Me, I tend to (still, against all evidence) think/hope that young(er) people (anyone one or more generations younger than I am) are more adventurous and will have the verve to try something foreign to them, if only to prove that they could do it if they wanted to > > Thanks for writing in. I'm already vegan too, but I'm using this Kickstart Program as an excuse to get even more healthy and to encourage others to try veganism for their own sake if not for their fellow creatures. > > Hugs, Pat > > , Patricia <moondreamer64_ 2000@> wrote: > > > > It shouldn't be too hard for someone who is already vegetarian.I tried to get my daughter to do it in Jan., but it was too foreign to her. I'm already a vegan. > > > > Patricia > > > > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, drpatsant@ . <drpatsant@ ..> wrote: > > > > drpatsant@ . <drpatsant@ ..> > > Kickstart Program - link > > " vegetarian spice " <>, " vegetariansincanad a " <vegetariansincanad a > > > Sunday, February 21, 2010, 4:43 PM > > > > Those who are interested or simply curious may want to give this a shot. Why not? What can it hurt??? > > Let us know if you decide to follow it, okay??? > > > > http://support. pcrm.org/ site/PageServer? pagename= 21day_vegan_ kickstart > > > > Best, Pat > > > > --- > > " If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. " > > George Bernard Shaw > > > > > > " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. " > > Oscar Wilde. > > > > > > > >    ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > > > http://www.flickr. com/gift/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Actually no - Hitler ate fish The Dragon (aka High Priestess Enchanting Even weave) Current stitching - RSPCA Perfect Pets, Map of Durham, Cat Ornaments, Green Man http://tempewytch.blogspot.com/ - stitching/house http://tempewytchdiet.blogspot.com/ - diet/angst --- On Mon, 22/2/10, Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote: Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 Re: Re: Kickstart Program - link Monday, 22 February, 2010, 21:22 I hate to be a party pooper, but Hitler was a vegetarian. Patricia --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Pat <drpatsant wrote: Pat <drpatsant Re: Kickstart Program - link Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:59 AM I do so hope you're right, and in my more cheerful moments I am sure that you must be. Certainly there are more vegetarians now - percentage-wise - in the western world than there ever have been (but don't ask me for statistics - it's just what I read somewhere). Asia has understood for years the advantages of a vegetarian diet, even though not everyone is vegetarian. As for changing into less violent beings, that is a strong hope with me. All this damned war going on!!!!! Don't they know war kills???? Hugs, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 My daughter said she can go without meat, but not butter and eggs. She and her sister are on some low carb flat stomach diet right now. Patricia --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Pat <drpatsant wrote: Pat <drpatsant Re: Kickstart Program - link Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:41 AM Hi Patricia Sorry it didn't take for your daughter, but good try on your part. But even if she had tried for just a little while it would still have saved some animals, you know? And that's all to the good. Me, I tend to (still, against all evidence) think/hope that young(er) people (anyone one or more generations younger than I am) are more adventurous and will have the verve to try something foreign to them, if only to prove that they could do it if they wanted to Thanks for writing in. I'm already vegan too, but I'm using this Kickstart Program as an excuse to get even more healthy and to encourage others to try veganism for their own sake if not for their fellow creatures. Hugs, Pat , Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote: > > It shouldn't be too hard for someone who is already vegetarian.I tried to get my daughter to do it in Jan., but it was too foreign to her. I'm already a vegan. > > Patricia > > --- On Sun, 2/21/10, drpatsant <drpatsant wrote: > > drpatsant <drpatsant > Kickstart Program - link > " vegetarian spice " , " vegetariansincanada " <vegetariansincanada > > Sunday, February 21, 2010, 4:43 PM > > Those who are interested or simply curious may want to give this a shot. Why not? What can it hurt??? > Let us know if you decide to follow it, okay??? > > http://support.pcrm.org/site/PageServer?pagename=21day_vegan_kickstart > > Best, Pat > > --- > " If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. " > George Bernard Shaw > > > " Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. " > Oscar Wilde. > > > > ________________ > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > http://www.flickr.com/gift/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Didn't know that. Patricia --- On Mon, 2/22/10, The Dragon <dragonsteeluk wrote: The Dragon <dragonsteeluk Re: Re: Kickstart Program - link Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:07 PM Actually no - Hitler ate fish The Dragon (aka High Priestess Enchanting Even weave) Current stitching - RSPCA Perfect Pets, Map of Durham, Cat Ornaments, Green Man http://tempewytch.blogspot.com/ - stitching/house http://tempewytchdiet.blogspot.com/ - diet/angst --- On Mon, 22/2/10, Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote: Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 Re: Re: Kickstart Program - link Monday, 22 February, 2010, 21:22 I hate to be a party pooper, but Hitler was a vegetarian. Patricia --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Pat <drpatsant wrote: Pat <drpatsant Re: Kickstart Program - link Monday, February 22, 2010, 11:59 AM I do so hope you're right, and in my more cheerful moments I am sure that you must be. Certainly there are more vegetarians now - percentage-wise - in the western world than there ever have been (but don't ask me for statistics - it's just what I read somewhere). Asia has understood for years the advantages of a vegetarian diet, even though not everyone is vegetarian. As for changing into less violent beings, that is a strong hope with me. All this damned war going on!!!!! Don't they know war kills???? Hugs, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 > My daughter said she can go without meat, but not butter and eggs. She and her sister are on some low carb flat stomach diet right now. Any idea whose diet they're on? Just curious. Oh, honestly, never get between a woman and her diet (not that you would) especially when she's doing it with a friend. Hey!!! That's a good reason to be doing any change in eating regime with a friend - right????? Never mind. Maybe another time she'll see the benefit of a vegan diet and the benefits of the _good_ carbs. Thanks for writing back. Hugs, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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