Guest guest Posted September 3, 2000 Report Share Posted September 3, 2000 Hello all, I recently joined the list and am really enjoying it. We have a 2 year old daughter who has been vegan since birth (as my husband and I are). She has little interest in the enriched soy or rice milk that I try to give her, wanting juice instead. She is nursing a couple of times a day but my milk is certainly not plentiful right now as I am expecting in January. I am concerned about her B12 intake. She is very healthy and shows no signs of deficiency that I notice. I use nutritional yeast occasionally - once a week maybe and try to crush a B12 tablet in our main meal now and again. Is this enough or should I be giving her more B12 by way of supplementation? If I should give more - how much and how often? Should I use the sublingual form for her or are the pills OK? I've looked for doseage info for children on the web and have found nothing. How much is too much for a 2 year old? Also, I am looking for prenatal vits (or any multivit) that is vegan. All the ones I see have D3 which I understand is derived from an animal source. Any suggestions gratefully received! (I am already taking floridex as an iron supplement as my Hb is low.) Thanks in advance for any advice, suggestions you may have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2000 Report Share Posted September 5, 2000 avoid juice for the babys; it is not good nutrition for them; even water is better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2000 Report Share Posted September 5, 2000 , AtlantaGaia@a... wrote: > avoid juice for the babys; it is not good nutrition for them; even water is > better! I disagree, there are nutrients in juice. Some have vitC others have even more vitamins than that. If you have a kid that refuses to eat fruit there is no other way to get them to consume it but through juices. I certainly feel better drinking a cup of orange juice or veg/fruit juice. Also the stuff I buy is all juice, no added sugars or anything else. Summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2000 Report Share Posted September 5, 2000 , " Gwyn Treharne " <gwynt@s...> wrote: > > Also, I am looking for prenatal vits (or any multivit) that is > vegan. All the ones I see have D3 which I understand is derived from > an animal source. Any suggestions gratefully received! (I am > already taking floridex as an iron supplement as my Hb is low.) > > Thanks in advance for any advice, suggestions you may have. I am not sure if this link will work but http://www.koshervitamin.com/cgi-bin/dbman/db.cgi? view_records=1 & db=shopit & SearchTerm=prenatal & SearchIn=Name this is where I bought my prenatal vitamins. I bought the Freeda prenatal 1 a day. I also bought a vegetarian cal/mag supplement at Oasis marketplace made by Wild Oats, it is vegan. I also have a Luna bar everyday, it has the vitK that the prenatal vitamins don't. Summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2000 Report Share Posted September 6, 2000 Hi Gwyn, According to what I have read, vitamin B12 is stored in the body for a while so does not need to be consumed as frequently as some other vitamins. Do you have Dr. Klaper's book on Pregancy, Children and the Vegan diet? That may address the B12 issue in better detail. I have the book and will gladly look up the information if you need it. (I left it at work today or I'd go ahead and type it in right now!) As for drinking soy, have you tried any of the soy-juice combinations? There is one called Soy Fusion that has a berry/soy flavor (I have not tried it yet myself, but it is vegan). Finally, at the risk of breaking e-list protocol, I do have a source for strictly vegan pre-natal vitamins for you - we sell them on our vegan warehouse website! Feel free to email me privately for further details. Caroline Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2000 Report Share Posted September 7, 2000 In a message dated 9/6/00 4:51:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tasroe writes: << disagree, there are nutrients in juice. Some have vitC others have even more vitamins than that. If you have a kid that refuses to eat fruit there is no other way to get them to consume it but through juices. I certainly feel better drinking a cup of orange juice or veg/fruit juice. Also the stuff I buy is all juice, no added sugars or anything else. Summer >> My pediatrician and everything that I have read says to avoid giving juice to children. If you do give it to them, then it should one part juice to three parts water. There have been studies that say that juice is bad for their teeth, and it does not provide much nutritionally. I would rather see my son drink juice than soda or some other sugar drink, but would prefer him drinking water than anything. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2000 Report Share Posted September 7, 2000 > My pediatrician and everything that I have read says to avoid giving juice to > children. If you do give it to them, then it should one part juice to three > parts water. There have been studies that say that juice is bad for their > teeth, and it does not provide much nutritionally. I would rather see my son > drink juice than soda or some other sugar drink, but would prefer him > drinking water than anything. > > Sara Well, my son is a particularly picky eatter and his Dr. sayes it is a perfecly good way to get some of his fruit/veg servings. Also if you will look at nutrition charts for kids, juice is in the fruit servings section. I would never give him soda, it is compleately useless. He refuses to eat almost everything, but is still quite healthy. I have tried smoothies too, he will not drink them. He does not eat candy,cakes, or other sugary things and his teeth are fine. I am sure you are trying to be helpful but,I am not concerned. I spend my " free time " reading about veg diets and such, since I went vegetarian 11 years ago. I am not a professional, but I am quite well read. I grew up in a home of pepsi, frosted flakes, and pop-tarts,I would never give those things to my son. They are unhealthy. I am vegan for ethical reasons, I eat cookies and chocolate, not daily by any means, but I do eat them. Summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2000 Report Share Posted September 10, 2000 In a message dated 9/7/00 7:41:45 AM Central Daylight Time, pitasara writes: << I would rather see my son drink juice than soda or some other sugar drink, but would prefer him drinking water than anything. >> Does anyone in our group give their child rice milk or soy milk? I am curious about what brands you use and why. We are currently drinking Westsoy Plus. Tracey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2000 Report Share Posted September 10, 2000 << Also, I am looking for prenatal vits (or any multivit) that is > vegan. All the ones I see have D3 which I understand is derived from > an animal source. Any suggestions gratefully received! >> Whole Foods Market sells vitamins labelled " suitable for vegetarians " . I don't know if they have prenatals, but I just took a multivitamin when I was preggo because the extra iron made me nauseated. For iron, I ate lots of Total cereal, which I am not sure is vegan, but I was vegetarian at the time. Tracey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2000 Report Share Posted September 11, 2000 , TFreyre@a... wrote: > Does anyone in our group give their child rice milk or soy milk? I am > curious about what brands you use and why. We are currently drinking Westsoy > Plus. > > Tracey We give our son Soy Dream original enriched. It seems to have the most vitamins and minerals of any other soy drink I have found. If we are unable to get it for him for some reason, we get the Westsoy plus or Pacific Ultra. I usually drink Silk. Summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 Our daughter (5 years in Oct.) drinks water, enriched rice milk and Balanced box drinks. She also likes Vitasoy chocolate soy milk, but we limit that. Occasionally (mostly at other's homes - especially Nana's!) she drinks juice. When she does drink juice I try to make sure it is 100% juice and organic. I am thinking of hauling out our old Acme juicer and inventing some apple/veggie juice combinations. She likes fruit but I worry that she doesn't eat enough veggies -especially dark green ones. She loves those carbohydrates! As for the vitamins, please be wary of hidden animal ingredients. In doing research for our vegan business, I contacted several major vitamin producers (Twinlab, Schiff and Rainbow Light to name the main ones). None could offer a truly vegan supplement. They all admitted that small amounts of animal products (such as gelatin binder) did NOT have to be listed on the label. This means that even if the formula is called " Vegetarian " , that does not mean it is 100% animal free. Also, watch the vitamin D - in most cases if it is D3, it is derived from lanolin (I think we've talked about this one). Caroline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 We drink VitaSoy, which we arrived at after a lot of taste tests. I also use rice milk for cooking, and we make almond milk for drinking and cashew cream for cooking. I do agree that juice can be a valuable food, and if my kids are drinking enough water and the appetite doesn't seem to be affected, I don't limit juice intake -- there are so many other things to say " no " to! Karen > > TFreyre [TFreyre] > Sunday, September 10, 2000 8:31 PM > > Re: Re: B12 for 2 year old (and vits) > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > -------------------------~-~> > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > of 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Ongoing APR* and no annual fee! > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/9146/4/_/_/_/968672261/ > ----------------------------- > ------> > > In a message dated 9/7/00 7:41:45 AM Central Daylight Time, > pitasara > writes: > > << I would rather see my son > drink juice than soda or some other sugar drink, but would > prefer him > drinking water than anything. >> > > Does anyone in our group give their child rice milk or soy > milk? I am > curious about what brands you use and why. We are currently > drinking Westsoy > Plus. > > Tracey > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the > VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials > especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 In a message dated 9/11/00 4:37:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, TFreyre writes: << Does anyone in our group give their child rice milk or soy milk? I am curious about what brands you use and why. We are currently drinking Westsoy Plus. Tracey >> My son is only nine months old, so right now the only milk that he gets is human milk, but when he is older I plan on giving him soy milk. We prefer White Wave's Silk soy milk, it is fortified but I just like the taste. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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