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Hello to all,

My husband and I have been lacto-ovo vegetarians for about 5 1/2 years,

and have a 6 1/2 month old infant. Now that he's started oatmeal and

fruits and veggies(and liking them very much, I might add), I want to

know what other foods to give him. Most parents would start meat at

this point. What other protein source could I begin to feed my son? I

am still nursing him, even though occasionally I need to give a mixed

breastmilk-formula bottle, as my milk supply is sometimes not adequate.

Any suggestions?

Pam

Boston, MA

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In a message dated 1/2/2001 5:08:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, pamelasherry writes:

 

 

? I

am still nursing him, even though occasionally I need to give a mixed

breastmilk-formula bottle, as my milk supply is sometimes not adequate.

 

 

How do you know if your milk supply is not adequate? A nursing mother will produce more milk the more she nurses and never "run out" of milk.

 

Sara

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, James Sherry <pamelasherry@e...> wrote:

> Hello to all,

> My husband and I have been lacto-ovo vegetarians for about 5 1/2

years,

> and have a 6 1/2 month old infant. Now that he's started oatmeal

and

> fruits and veggies(and liking them very much, I might add), I want

to

> know what other foods to give him. Most parents would start meat at

> this point. What other protein source could I begin to feed my son?

 

Since you are still breastfeeding, he's getting a good source of

protein right there. I wouldn't start soy until a year, unless you are

already giving soy formula and he's doing OK with it. Certainly hold

off nuts and peanuts until at least 2 years - if there are allergies

in your family, some say 5. It is also recommended to wait with

straight cow's milk until a year, although I think you can start

yoghurt and cheese earlier - you might want to see how he does with

those.

 

But generally speaking, at this age solid foods are for fun and

experimentation, not nutrition. He's unlikely to ingest enough to make

a difference. Keep giving him the good stuff, Mom! Fruit, veggies and

grains (which also contain protein, BTW) should keep his little

fingers and tastebuds busy 8-).

 

I am not a doctor, BTW, just an experienced vegetarian mother 8-).

 

Be well, Hadass

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That is not true - I tried and tried (used a lactation consultant and talked

with our pediatrician) but did not produce enough breastmilk- remember what

the books say and what is actual reality is often different! As for

introducing some other foods - my son loves black bean soup and puree it or

I often made a sweet potato pureed with beans and other veggies - froze it

in ice cube trays and stored in baggies. This way you can take as many

cubes as you need! -- Caro

 

 

>colinsapmama

>

>

>Re: Where to go from here.

>Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:04:13 EST

>

>In a message dated 1/2/2001 5:08:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>pamelasherry writes:

>

>

> > ? I

> > am still nursing him, even though occasionally I need to give a mixed

> > breastmilk-formula bottle, as my milk supply is sometimes not adequate.

> >

>

>How do you know if your milk supply is not adequate? A nursing mother will

>produce more milk the more she nurses and never " run out " of milk.

>

>Sara

 

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I guess I should clarify... In response to Sara...

 

I work three days per week out of the house, and during that time, even

though I pump faithfully twice per day, I only bring home a total of 8

to 10 oz of milk (I usually pump when he is being fed at home). When he

is fed breast milk out of the bottle at home by the caregiver, he

clearly seems to want more than 4 to 5oz of milk. So we've been

supplementing with 1 or 2 oz of milk to satisfy him. This only happens,

at maximum, six feedings per week. And this has been happening for

about a month. I believe it is the stressors of my job, unfortunately,

and am working very hard to increase my supply (increasing fluids, and I

am exploring the option of fenugreek if this does not help).

 

Otherwise, when I nurse him directly, I do not supplement him with

anything extra, and he seems quite satiated. Of course, it may also

just be because it is me, and I am providing him the comfort the bottle

cannot, so he doesn't seem happy after receiving the bottle, therefore

the caregiver seeks to comfort him with an ounce or two more... which

works.

 

It could be just that his demand has decreased because of his solid food

intake, and the caregiver (and myself, of course) is not used to seeing

him take substantially less than he used to. Thinking about it, I never

used to have this " deficiency " of milk until he started solids, but that

is also when my job became very stressful.

 

Any other thoughts? I appreciate all the comments!

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In a message dated 1/3/2001 5:11:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Carokitty writes:

 

 

That is not true - I tried and tried (used a lactation consultant and talked with our pediatrician) but did not produce enough breastmilk- remember what the books say and what is actual reality is often different!

 

 

How did you know if you produced enough milk or not? Pumping is not a good indication of how much milk you are producing, I know some people who can't get anything out with pumping, yet, they have extrememly healthy babies.

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Just curious...how did you know you weren't producing enough?

 

Linda

 

At 09:22 PM 1/2/01, you wrote:

>That is not true - I tried and tried (used a lactation consultant and talked

>with our pediatrician) but did not produce enough breastmilk- remember what

>the books say and what is actual reality is often different! As for

>introducing some other foods - my son loves black bean soup and puree it or

>I often made a sweet potato pureed with beans and other veggies - froze it

>in ice cube trays and stored in baggies. This way you can take as many

>cubes as you need! -- Caro

>

>

>>colinsapmama

>>

>>

>>Re: Where to go from here.

>>Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:04:13 EST

>>

>>In a message dated 1/2/2001 5:08:18 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>>pamelasherry writes:

>>

>>

>> > ? I

>> > am still nursing him, even though occasionally I need to give a mixed

>> > breastmilk-formula bottle, as my milk supply is sometimes not adequate.

>> >

>>

>>How do you know if your milk supply is not adequate? A nursing mother will

>>produce more milk the more she nurses and never " run out " of milk.

>>

>>Sara

>

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How true. I stopped pumping when my baby was about 9 months. I could not

get more than an ounce or two after 20-30 minutes of pumping. My baby (er

toddler) is now 18 months old and still nursing. She is one of those slow

nurses, can nurse for 30 minutes or more and I have never run out of milk.

I have a Medalia (sp?) pump'n go or something like that so even with all

that suction, no milk would pump. I hear the ones to rent work better. If

you can afford it, maybe you want to try that. I hear it is expensive to

rent them.

 

 

----Original Message Follows----

colinsapmama

 

 

Re: Where to go from here.

Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:57:45 EST

 

In a message dated 1/3/2001 5:11:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Carokitty writes:

 

 

That is not true - I tried and tried (used a lactation consultant and talked

with our pediatrician) but did not produce enough breastmilk- remember what

the books say and what is actual reality is often different!

 

 

How did you know if you produced enough milk or not? Pumping is not a good

indication of how much milk you are producing, I know some people who can't

get anything out with pumping, yet, they have extrememly healthy babies.

 

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, colinsapmama@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/3/2001 5:11:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> Carokitty@h... writes:

>

>

> > That is not true - I tried and tried (used a lactation consultant

and talked

> > with our pediatrician) but did not produce enough breastmilk-

remember what

> > the books say and what is actual reality is often different!

>

>

> How did you know if you produced enough milk or not? Pumping is not

a good

> indication of how much milk you are producing, I know some people

who can't

> get anything out with pumping, yet, they have extrememly healthy

babies.

 

Whoa, Sara. This is a very sensitive issue - many women who think they

can't produce enough milk (for whatever reason - many LCs aren't as

good as they might be, and paediatricians are generally clueless about

breastfeeding) are EXTREMELY miserable and guilty about it. This kind

of question, with no qualification or acknowledgement of her feelings,

can cause a great deal of hurt.

 

That having been said, I do agree that many so-called support people

(doctors, LCs, family) can sabotage a woman's breastfeeding experience

and make her feel like a failure. I am sorry this happened to you, and

I am glad that you have a healthy baby anyway.

 

I strongly recommend (and would suggest the moderators pay attention

to this) that this group not get involved in a breastfeeding

flamefest.

 

Be well, Hadass

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, James Sherry <pamelasherry@e...> wrote:

> I guess I should clarify... In response to Sara...

 

Thanks for the clarification, Pamela!

 

<snip>

 

>

> It could be just that his demand has decreased because of his solid

food

> intake, and the caregiver (and myself, of course) is not used to

seeing

> him take substantially less than he used to. Thinking about it, I

never

> used to have this " deficiency " of milk until he started solids, but

that

> is also when my job became very stressful.

 

I would say that formula is not evil (although it is obviously

inferior to breastmilk), that you do what you gotta do, and that you

are clearly doing your best for your son. Fenugreek worked for me;

what was also helpful was to drink LOTS of water (thirst is not a good

indication of dehydration - put a 1.5L bottle of water on your desk

and make sure you empty it each day before you go home!).

 

There is a pumping list somewhere here on eGroups - write to me

privately if you are interested and I will see if I can scrounge up

the information for you. There is also a list for mothers who are

combining attachment parenting with work - I can give you info on

that, as well.

 

Good luck and keep up the good work! I found that pumping at work for

my sons was a great way to stay connected to them even though we were

separated.

 

Be well, Hadass

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To the group---

I thank you for all your input, and the answers to my question regarding

meal choices for my 6 1/2 month old. I think the two hardest things for

me in being a parent (so far) are the issues of sleeping and meal

planning (although I'm sure the issues become VERY MUCH more complex as

time goes on!)

Pam

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I too did not have much success pumping after my son was about 9-10 months

old. (I was working out of the house 2-3 days per week) He is now 18 months

old and still nursing-he is also a marathon nurser (on the days I'm home).

He is successfully increasing vegitarian solids all the time. I would just

like to offer a word of support for continued nursing-- and staying

committed can sometimes means some supplementation. I think along with our

concern and advice we can offer each other support in our parenting trials.

It is not easy to be as committed as many (all) of us are in choosing this

way of life! Hoorah for all of us!!

 

 

> " Deb Proen " <deb_proen

>

>

>Re: Where to go from here.

>Thu, 04 Jan 2001 06:10:43 -0500

>

>How true. I stopped pumping when my baby was about 9 months. I could not

>get more than an ounce or two after 20-30 minutes of pumping. My baby (er

>toddler) is now 18 months old and still nursing. She is one of those slow

>nurses, can nurse for 30 minutes or more and I have never run out of milk.

>I have a Medalia (sp?) pump'n go or something like that so even with all

>that suction, no milk would pump. I hear the ones to rent work better. If

>you can afford it, maybe you want to try that. I hear it is expensive to

>rent them.

>

>

>----Original Message Follows----

>colinsapmama

>

>

>Re: Where to go from here.

>Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:57:45 EST

>

>In a message dated 1/3/2001 5:11:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,

>Carokitty writes:

>

>

>That is not true - I tried and tried (used a lactation consultant and

>talked

>with our pediatrician) but did not produce enough breastmilk- remember what

>the books say and what is actual reality is often different!

>

>

>How did you know if you produced enough milk or not? Pumping is not a good

>indication of how much milk you are producing, I know some people who can't

>get anything out with pumping, yet, they have extrememly healthy babies.

>

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