Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 > > I guess i am relieved to see this feeling expressed everywhere else. I have been veg for only under a year and i felt bad because i accepted the facts of life that i couldnt live a utopian life and that i settled for less that perfect to quickly but atleast i know that i am not alone...Sometimes i read posts on other boards and people make themselves out to sound like gods gift to vegetarians...they do everything perfectly...at least i know that there are other " unperfect " people out there. > > jess > Imperfection is the permeation of the human species (I cannot speak for the rest of the animal kingdom)....we are perfectly imperfect ...IMV it's the joy of being human...that continual striving towards betterment.... If anyone was truly perfect, then they would not necessitate the societal landscape....but, we are mere fractals and are incapable of functioning completely on our own (you know, the " no person is an island " cliche--very true!), therefore--to compensate, Mata Nature provided us with others of our species .. That's my theory anyway.... Slante chugat, Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 > And, as Kat brings up, I too would love to find really good and really > nontoxic, nonviolent cleaning products that are affordable and readily > available. Vinegar and bakingsoda only take us so far...although I > confess I've raised two kids without ever once powdering any portion of > their anatomies in any way! SusanP. Was there a particular philosophy behind not " powdering any portion of their " bodies? I do find that cornstarch keeps Kegan's skin soft and dry (plus, he does rather enjoy his Mata pampering him in this way)...and is one of the factors in him not having even an iota of diaper rash (the other element is using cloth diapers and changing him quite often).... Gaiam.com has pretty good deals on animal/environment friendly cleaning supplies...but, yeah, there is an extra cost on shipping.... Slante chugat, Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 In a message dated 3/13/2001 4:58:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, dinner_fairy writes: > at least i know that there are other " unperfect " people out there. > Count me in as imperfect, I don't use leather, but I have started to use wool diaper covers for my son's cloth diapers. Sara Colin's Ap Mama We haven't inherited the earth, we are only borrowing it from our children. Come see us at <A HREF= " http://members.tripod.com/colinsapmama/ " >http://members.tripod.com/colinsa\ pmama/</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 > Isaac Beshevis Singer, the Jewish writer, said a vegetarian is an > inconsistent person. He said although he was a vegetarian, he would hit > a mosquito biting him. But he concluded it is better to be a vegetarian > and inconsistent, than not to be one. I take the Ghandi-an view that violence is not susceptible to eradication--only minimalization (heh, is that a word? it is now :0 ) Slante chugat, Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 I guess i am relieved to see this feeling expressed everywhere else. I have been veg for only under a year and i felt bad because i accepted the facts of life that i couldnt live a utopian life and that i settled for less that perfect to quickly but atleast i know that i am not alone...Sometimes i read posts on other boards and people make themselves out to sound like gods gift to vegetarians...they do everything perfectly...at least i know that there are other " unperfect " people out there. jess Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 > No " philosophy " behind not powdering babies, other than concern about > their breathing in particles of stuff they shouldn't be. What I wanted > to point out is just that powdering isn't something that must be done. yes, I understood that this is your opinion....I was looking for something a bit more empirical to substantiate this claim since it appears that you are generalizing (it's the academic within me to question what people are proffering as to what does and does not " need " to be done since necessity is more often than not relative beyond food, water and shelter).... My experience is that....for my Son, it is something that must be done (for the reasons I stated in my last posting)...not everybody is the same....again, such is the joy of being human.... As far as what children are breathing in...there are worse causes for concern than cornstarch...but, whatever...to each their own.... Onto bigger and better subjects Slante chugat, Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Isaac Beshevis Singer, the Jewish writer, said a vegetarian is an inconsistent person. He said although he was a vegetarian, he would hit a mosquito biting him. But he concluded it is better to be a vegetarian and inconsistent, than not to be one. Each person decides what he will or won't eat or buy or use. Wherever you draw the line, and for whatever reason, it is not possible to be perfectly consistent about it. In order for any living thing to live, some other living thing is going to die. If you grow your own perfectly organic foods in your own back yard, you'll inadvertently be killing bugs and worms along the way. If trucks bring you your food, they run over animals on the highway. If you cut down a tree to build your house, you disrupt the lives of the animals that depended on that tree. Somewhere along the way you have to decide how obsessive-compulsive you want to be, and how far removed from being like other people you can stand to be. There are many industrial materials that come from animals for which there are plant alternatives, but industries go for what is cheapest and best choice for them. Because there is a meat industry, there is an animal by-product industry. It wouldn't be economical to raise cows just to turn their bones into gelatin or charcoal. If plant gums or wood charcoal were just as plentiful and cheap, they would be used instead of animal by-products. Does that mean vegetarians can't watch a movie or tv show where gelatin emulsion film or videotape was used in the process? Does that mean vegetarians can't live in a country protected by nuclear submarines which depend on bone charcoal filters to clean the air? Although we live because something else died, we can still try to minimize the destruction we cause. -- Be kind. Be of good cheer. Dick Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 No " philosophy " behind not powdering babies, other than concern about their breathing in particles of stuff they shouldn't be. What I wanted to point out is just that powdering isn't something that must be done. ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2001 Report Share Posted March 13, 2001 Ok, Singer and Gandhi...I think I can live with that! susan p. ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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