Digest Number 138

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didn't know it made such a difference.

 

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Dear BJ and List,

 

>Never had any detox problems, in fact, felt so

fabulous from day one, that I felt pretty " high "

and a thread of euphoria woven throughout my entire

experience of life.

 

 

I've recently tried raw and had terrible detox and had

to stop completely. In fact, it triggered Chronic

Fatigue that I'm still not over. And the more I

experience RAW and think about it, the more I think

bad detox is a sign like most pain. It's a sign that

your body is having problems and needs help (like

maybe to stop for a while or do something in a gradual

way). I think some people can tough it out, but their

health is probably a good deal better than mine to

start with.

 

When I went Vegetarian, I had no detox. All I felt

was a euphoria that lasted weeks. And that's what I

keep thinking about.

 

Doing something good for your body shouldn't hurt it

and make is so sick you can't function. While I

understand that detox can be explained (what it is and

why it's happening), this doesn't mean that every

person is healthy enough to suddenly detox every bad

thing their body all at once.

 

I was recently on another list where the folks were

really hard core and did not make room in their

thoughts for different people needing different

approaches. Frankly, being really sick from detox

scares me. It's not like any other sickness. And all

I keep thinking is that I could be detoxing mercury,

which is very, very dangerous (when you do it without

also taking a " binding " agent to move it out of your

body).

 

Anyway, I'm hoping to recover in another couple of

weeks, build my health up, and then very gradually

introduce raw meals. (Also have an appointment with a

dentist who specializes in removing mercury fillings.)

 

Your email (and the others about not having a problem

with detox) really make me feel better about listening

to what my body's telling me (and not feeling like a

failure for not gutting it out, no matter what). I

think that doing it the right way for you, personally,

should just make you feel better! Thanks for sharing.

 

Best,

 

Diane

 

 

 

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Dear Sue,

 

Hi, there! I'm new to the list, too. I've over 15

years of health problems, and I feel like I recognize

myself in the tone of your letter. No one can

understand the strain that you are under when you

endure something for years at a time except someone

else who has been there.

 

You are really doing good with your enthusiasm and

hope. Everyone, I feel, has something to conquer or

do or learn in this life, and it seems you are working

very hard on the right things in this life.

 

I just bought The Sunfood Diet Sucess System by David

Wolfe. He breaks up Raw Food (among many other whole

life topics, including spirituality) into 36 lessons.

This might be a nice book to look at.

 

My advice is to start out with what you can do.

Frankly, just going vegetarian is a big step for most

people. So maybe try a few raw meals, plus some

vegetarian meals, plus some meals you like (that have

good emotional attachments for you... you know the

ones, the ones that make you feel like a strong

person). (Be careful of setting a too-perfect

standard for yourself. I'm just speaking of myself

here, but I love to figure out everything I should be

doing, then expect myself to do everything 100%

perfect.)

 

Also, to give yourself the very best chance of

success, I highly recommend that you find a therapist

(who you like) who specializes in food issues (and

hopefully who understand vegetarian, vegan, and raw

lifestyles). Everyone needs support, and boy do I

admire my friends who seek counseling when they need

it. And of course there's lots of support in lists

like this. But you seem so willing to do what it

takes to find peace in your life (and to get to a calm

place where you live with knowledge of your

well-being).

 

Best to you!

 

Diane

 

 

 

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Dear New friends,

 

Thank you so much for encouraging words. They help so much.

Yesterday and today both have been great days for me sofar. I feel

pretty good, and have been 100% raw for these past 2 days which for

me is AMAZING!

 

I wanted to thank you all for being there. I am not new to

groups having sponsered my own, so it was nice to know that there was

someone out there having the same issues as I do, as well as having a

way to get healthy. I have received so many responses through email

and it will be nice to have someone to be " accountable " to. I seem

to have better progress when I have someone there to check in with.

Is anyone out there looking for a email buddy? I think I really need

this.

 

I made it back to the grocery store today and when I was all through

picking up the things I needed, I was standing in line with loads of

people looking at me like God she must be crazy looks on their

faces! My look to them was just the same. While everything I had in

my cart was raw, theirs was probably not even 5% raw. I have one

message that keeps going over and over in my mind..... " stop putting

dead corpses in your bodies. " I read that somewhere and boy does it

make sense.

 

Anyhow, I hope to be a regular at this board, and I hope to continue

success in this lifestyle.

 

I am at this time in my life battling my eating disorders however for

the last week, I have been winning. For me, Eating is like having a

continuous war going on inside of my mind whenever I sit down to ANY

food. So this process for me will be healing in all ways. I have a

very busy lifestyle as well, a job that demands time, and most of the

time there is no time for lunch.

 

I am into total beauty ofcourse. I am a cosmotologist, a

reflexologist and an aromatherapist. I can tell others what they

should be doing, but sometimes it is hard for me to do myself. I

sure hope I can become an avid and experienced natural hygienist. I

live in a small small town, and there is no one, and I mean NO ONE

here who is into this lifestyle. So to all of you, your friendship

is greatly appreciated!

 

thank you all

sue

scart

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Diane,

 

I'd say the worse your starting point the greater the potential

gain. The trick is getting the pace right.

 

The transition is the problem. It can take years to

complete but the greatest trial is surely in the first few months.

 

The whole business of shifting from dead to live food, means

changing the bacteria in the gut and kicking out a lot of

dead material as well as getting the mind set right. And

all this at the same time tolerating such negative feedback as

" Peter is on a crank diet " ... " No need to punish your self so much " .

" Food needs cooking to get the values " Etc.

 

Such transition needs taking at an individual speed and to

take account of an individual past record of eating and transgression.

Given that for the average person the wrong track has been followed for

possibly decades, it is a pipedream to imagine that all can be undone

in days or weeks.

 

That said, in my own case, I had few problems from detoxification

despite

forty odd years of wicked living but I also took quite some time to get

to raw foodism.

 

I started by cutting red meat, increasing white meat of chicken and

introducing fish and especially sardines. Then I took up juicing,

and reduced the chicken. Thereafter at intervals of some months I took

on fasts of juices and water for increasing periods. The fastest

detoxification program

is the water fast coupled with intestinal irrigation.

 

My own common sense had already told me that cooked food was the wrong

path but the

guidelines for good practice had been by trial and error. For example I

ate small

quantities of raw fish and even meat in the hope of correcting past

error.

At that time I felt that the goal posts were moving and that the needs

were changing

with each passing week. It was in such a period that I stumbled on the

raw foodists

and was directed towards David Wolfe and his " Sunfood Diet Success

System " . Until

I reached his page 158, it was just another book but then his triangle

was revealed and the

path became clear. Wolfe was transformed to one of the ten writers who

have changed my life.

 

Nevertheless implementation was gradual. My initial raw diet was still

high in nuts

which were always soaked and sprouts.(In fairness to Wolfe he makes no

great claims for

either nuts or sprouts). The grains went immediately. Fruit intake shot

up, citrus fruits

were removed as they made me feel cold, vinaigrette was forgotten, the

notion of vegetable fats

was introduced and true raw foodism started. Every week a new stake was

driven into my diet sheet.

 

With all that caper over such a long period the negative symptoms were

trivial with the

exception of a modest craving which follows the withdrawal of any

addiction. My remedy

was to eat fresh unsalted raw olives or, if you like, to have a raw

nibble around to

sake the transitional nagging.

 

On the other side of the coin I noticed huge positive benefits: weight

reduced,

energy increased, fatigue left me, sleep requirement dropped, mental

power increased,

physical strength tightened, etc.

 

Thus be not discouraged, just take it easy and the Force will arrive

though your plate

and into your life.

 

Peter

 

PS The rest of the thread below sets the context for this reply. Thus it

stays.

 

 

Diane Holmes [diane_j_holmes]

02 September 2002 01:26

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Digest Number 138

 

 

Dear BJ and List,

 

>Never had any detox problems, in fact, felt so

fabulous from day one, that I felt pretty " high "

and a thread of euphoria woven throughout my entire

experience of life.

 

 

I've recently tried raw and had terrible detox and had

to stop completely. In fact, it triggered Chronic

Fatigue that I'm still not over. And the more I

experience RAW and think about it, the more I think

bad detox is a sign like most pain. It's a sign that

your body is having problems and needs help (like

maybe to stop for a while or do something in a gradual

way). I think some people can tough it out, but their

health is probably a good deal better than mine to

start with.

 

When I went Vegetarian, I had no detox. All I felt

was a euphoria that lasted weeks. And that's what I

keep thinking about.

 

Doing something good for your body shouldn't hurt it

and make is so sick you can't function. While I

understand that detox can be explained (what it is and

why it's happening), this doesn't mean that every

person is healthy enough to suddenly detox every bad

thing their body all at once.

 

I was recently on another list where the folks were

really hard core and did not make room in their

thoughts for different people needing different

approaches. Frankly, being really sick from detox

scares me. It's not like any other sickness. And all

I keep thinking is that I could be detoxing mercury,

which is very, very dangerous (when you do it without

also taking a " binding " agent to move it out of your

body).

 

Anyway, I'm hoping to recover in another couple of

weeks, build my health up, and then very gradually

introduce raw meals. (Also have an appointment with a

dentist who specializes in removing mercury fillings.)

 

Your email (and the others about not having a problem

with detox) really make me feel better about listening

to what my body's telling me (and not feeling like a

failure for not gutting it out, no matter what). I

think that doing it the right way for you, personally,

should just make you feel better! Thanks for sharing.

 

Best,

 

Diane

 

 

 

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Monday, April 05, 2004 1:47 AM

 

Digest Number 138

 

 

There is 1 message in this issue.

 

Topics in this digest:

 

1. Vegan sauce making resources?

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Dave Goggin <dave65536

Vegan sauce making resources?

 

Hi All,

 

Can anyone recommend a good textbook on making sauces, in particular

Thai and Chinese sauces?

 

I've decided to do more cooking at home. Being vegan, the obvious thing

is to dump a whole pile of veggies in a stir-fry pan and cook them up.

I know the basics (mix up a little garlic and bean paste with vegetable

broth and cornstarch, or get a bunch of those sauce-in-an-envelopes from

the supermarkets) but need to know some more tricks, spice combinations,

etc.

 

I've noticed that (despite the recession) so many nice little

hole-in-the-wall quick bite restaurants around town have recently jacked

up their prices and/or started serving rice plates that are 90% rice and

10% veggies w/tofu. Very irritating. It's cheaper to cook my own

stuff, in plentiful quantities.

 

Does anyone have opinions on the books " The Complete Book Of Sauces "

(Williams) or " The Book of Sauces " (Grimsdale/Degu)... are they easily

vegan adaptable or do most of their sauces require beef broth, eggs,

etc? Not sure if they cover non-Western sauces.

 

Thanks,

DG

 

 

 

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