Guest guest Posted March 21, 2001 Report Share Posted March 21, 2001 Thanks everyone. I'll rinse more from now on. I didn't know it made such a difference. Kim Get email at your own domain with Mail. http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 Dear BJ and List, >Never had any detox problems, in fact, felt so fabulous from day one, that I felt pretty " high " and a thread of euphoria woven throughout my entire experience of life. I've recently tried raw and had terrible detox and had to stop completely. In fact, it triggered Chronic Fatigue that I'm still not over. And the more I experience RAW and think about it, the more I think bad detox is a sign like most pain. It's a sign that your body is having problems and needs help (like maybe to stop for a while or do something in a gradual way). I think some people can tough it out, but their health is probably a good deal better than mine to start with. When I went Vegetarian, I had no detox. All I felt was a euphoria that lasted weeks. And that's what I keep thinking about. Doing something good for your body shouldn't hurt it and make is so sick you can't function. While I understand that detox can be explained (what it is and why it's happening), this doesn't mean that every person is healthy enough to suddenly detox every bad thing their body all at once. I was recently on another list where the folks were really hard core and did not make room in their thoughts for different people needing different approaches. Frankly, being really sick from detox scares me. It's not like any other sickness. And all I keep thinking is that I could be detoxing mercury, which is very, very dangerous (when you do it without also taking a " binding " agent to move it out of your body). Anyway, I'm hoping to recover in another couple of weeks, build my health up, and then very gradually introduce raw meals. (Also have an appointment with a dentist who specializes in removing mercury fillings.) Your email (and the others about not having a problem with detox) really make me feel better about listening to what my body's telling me (and not feeling like a failure for not gutting it out, no matter what). I think that doing it the right way for you, personally, should just make you feel better! Thanks for sharing. Best, Diane Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 Dear Sue, Hi, there! I'm new to the list, too. I've over 15 years of health problems, and I feel like I recognize myself in the tone of your letter. No one can understand the strain that you are under when you endure something for years at a time except someone else who has been there. You are really doing good with your enthusiasm and hope. Everyone, I feel, has something to conquer or do or learn in this life, and it seems you are working very hard on the right things in this life. I just bought The Sunfood Diet Sucess System by David Wolfe. He breaks up Raw Food (among many other whole life topics, including spirituality) into 36 lessons. This might be a nice book to look at. My advice is to start out with what you can do. Frankly, just going vegetarian is a big step for most people. So maybe try a few raw meals, plus some vegetarian meals, plus some meals you like (that have good emotional attachments for you... you know the ones, the ones that make you feel like a strong person). (Be careful of setting a too-perfect standard for yourself. I'm just speaking of myself here, but I love to figure out everything I should be doing, then expect myself to do everything 100% perfect.) Also, to give yourself the very best chance of success, I highly recommend that you find a therapist (who you like) who specializes in food issues (and hopefully who understand vegetarian, vegan, and raw lifestyles). Everyone needs support, and boy do I admire my friends who seek counseling when they need it. And of course there's lots of support in lists like this. But you seem so willing to do what it takes to find peace in your life (and to get to a calm place where you live with knowledge of your well-being). Best to you! Diane Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 Dear New friends, Thank you so much for encouraging words. They help so much. Yesterday and today both have been great days for me sofar. I feel pretty good, and have been 100% raw for these past 2 days which for me is AMAZING! I wanted to thank you all for being there. I am not new to groups having sponsered my own, so it was nice to know that there was someone out there having the same issues as I do, as well as having a way to get healthy. I have received so many responses through email and it will be nice to have someone to be " accountable " to. I seem to have better progress when I have someone there to check in with. Is anyone out there looking for a email buddy? I think I really need this. I made it back to the grocery store today and when I was all through picking up the things I needed, I was standing in line with loads of people looking at me like God she must be crazy looks on their faces! My look to them was just the same. While everything I had in my cart was raw, theirs was probably not even 5% raw. I have one message that keeps going over and over in my mind..... " stop putting dead corpses in your bodies. " I read that somewhere and boy does it make sense. Anyhow, I hope to be a regular at this board, and I hope to continue success in this lifestyle. I am at this time in my life battling my eating disorders however for the last week, I have been winning. For me, Eating is like having a continuous war going on inside of my mind whenever I sit down to ANY food. So this process for me will be healing in all ways. I have a very busy lifestyle as well, a job that demands time, and most of the time there is no time for lunch. I am into total beauty ofcourse. I am a cosmotologist, a reflexologist and an aromatherapist. I can tell others what they should be doing, but sometimes it is hard for me to do myself. I sure hope I can become an avid and experienced natural hygienist. I live in a small small town, and there is no one, and I mean NO ONE here who is into this lifestyle. So to all of you, your friendship is greatly appreciated! thank you all sue scart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2002 Report Share Posted September 2, 2002 Diane, I'd say the worse your starting point the greater the potential gain. The trick is getting the pace right. The transition is the problem. It can take years to complete but the greatest trial is surely in the first few months. The whole business of shifting from dead to live food, means changing the bacteria in the gut and kicking out a lot of dead material as well as getting the mind set right. And all this at the same time tolerating such negative feedback as " Peter is on a crank diet " ... " No need to punish your self so much " . " Food needs cooking to get the values " Etc. Such transition needs taking at an individual speed and to take account of an individual past record of eating and transgression. Given that for the average person the wrong track has been followed for possibly decades, it is a pipedream to imagine that all can be undone in days or weeks. That said, in my own case, I had few problems from detoxification despite forty odd years of wicked living but I also took quite some time to get to raw foodism. I started by cutting red meat, increasing white meat of chicken and introducing fish and especially sardines. Then I took up juicing, and reduced the chicken. Thereafter at intervals of some months I took on fasts of juices and water for increasing periods. The fastest detoxification program is the water fast coupled with intestinal irrigation. My own common sense had already told me that cooked food was the wrong path but the guidelines for good practice had been by trial and error. For example I ate small quantities of raw fish and even meat in the hope of correcting past error. At that time I felt that the goal posts were moving and that the needs were changing with each passing week. It was in such a period that I stumbled on the raw foodists and was directed towards David Wolfe and his " Sunfood Diet Success System " . Until I reached his page 158, it was just another book but then his triangle was revealed and the path became clear. Wolfe was transformed to one of the ten writers who have changed my life. Nevertheless implementation was gradual. My initial raw diet was still high in nuts which were always soaked and sprouts.(In fairness to Wolfe he makes no great claims for either nuts or sprouts). The grains went immediately. Fruit intake shot up, citrus fruits were removed as they made me feel cold, vinaigrette was forgotten, the notion of vegetable fats was introduced and true raw foodism started. Every week a new stake was driven into my diet sheet. With all that caper over such a long period the negative symptoms were trivial with the exception of a modest craving which follows the withdrawal of any addiction. My remedy was to eat fresh unsalted raw olives or, if you like, to have a raw nibble around to sake the transitional nagging. On the other side of the coin I noticed huge positive benefits: weight reduced, energy increased, fatigue left me, sleep requirement dropped, mental power increased, physical strength tightened, etc. Thus be not discouraged, just take it easy and the Force will arrive though your plate and into your life. Peter PS The rest of the thread below sets the context for this reply. Thus it stays. Diane Holmes [diane_j_holmes] 02 September 2002 01:26 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Digest Number 138 Dear BJ and List, >Never had any detox problems, in fact, felt so fabulous from day one, that I felt pretty " high " and a thread of euphoria woven throughout my entire experience of life. I've recently tried raw and had terrible detox and had to stop completely. In fact, it triggered Chronic Fatigue that I'm still not over. And the more I experience RAW and think about it, the more I think bad detox is a sign like most pain. It's a sign that your body is having problems and needs help (like maybe to stop for a while or do something in a gradual way). I think some people can tough it out, but their health is probably a good deal better than mine to start with. When I went Vegetarian, I had no detox. All I felt was a euphoria that lasted weeks. And that's what I keep thinking about. Doing something good for your body shouldn't hurt it and make is so sick you can't function. While I understand that detox can be explained (what it is and why it's happening), this doesn't mean that every person is healthy enough to suddenly detox every bad thing their body all at once. I was recently on another list where the folks were really hard core and did not make room in their thoughts for different people needing different approaches. Frankly, being really sick from detox scares me. It's not like any other sickness. And all I keep thinking is that I could be detoxing mercury, which is very, very dangerous (when you do it without also taking a " binding " agent to move it out of your body). Anyway, I'm hoping to recover in another couple of weeks, build my health up, and then very gradually introduce raw meals. (Also have an appointment with a dentist who specializes in removing mercury fillings.) Your email (and the others about not having a problem with detox) really make me feel better about listening to what my body's telling me (and not feeling like a failure for not gutting it out, no matter what). I think that doing it the right way for you, personally, should just make you feel better! Thanks for sharing. Best, Diane Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 Dear Dave, The PASSIONATE VEGETARIAN by Cresant Dragonwagon is quite vegan-friendly (many of the recipes are vegan to start with), & is an imaginative, cosmopolitan cookbook with lots of Asian recipes. All best wishes, Deb Deborah Michelle Sanders deborahmichelle 1140 Sutter St, #211 San Francisco, CA 94109-5654 Phone 415-563-7458 Fax 509-272-2059 Monday, April 05, 2004 1:47 AM Digest Number 138 There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Vegan sauce making resources? Dave Goggin <dave65536 ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:39:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Dave Goggin <dave65536 Vegan sauce making resources? Hi All, Can anyone recommend a good textbook on making sauces, in particular Thai and Chinese sauces? I've decided to do more cooking at home. Being vegan, the obvious thing is to dump a whole pile of veggies in a stir-fry pan and cook them up. I know the basics (mix up a little garlic and bean paste with vegetable broth and cornstarch, or get a bunch of those sauce-in-an-envelopes from the supermarkets) but need to know some more tricks, spice combinations, etc. I've noticed that (despite the recession) so many nice little hole-in-the-wall quick bite restaurants around town have recently jacked up their prices and/or started serving rice plates that are 90% rice and 10% veggies w/tofu. Very irritating. It's cheaper to cook my own stuff, in plentiful quantities. Does anyone have opinions on the books " The Complete Book Of Sauces " (Williams) or " The Book of Sauces " (Grimsdale/Degu)... are they easily vegan adaptable or do most of their sauces require beef broth, eggs, etc? Not sure if they cover non-Western sauces. Thanks, DG ______________________ ______________________ ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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