Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 I just called Enfamil and after being transfered *many* times, and being called back I found out the D3 is a synthetic which is derived from lanolin. So I would not consider it to be vegan and I am going to email the person who wrote the article I read. It was just so very bothersome having to explain what vegan was and then have them say say " it's vegetarian " and that " the sheep didn't die from it " and they are " probably ok with it " , in regards to the lanolin being sheep derived. Urrrrrgggg.....it just makes me mad, can't they use D2 or something? I am breast feeding my daughter but I thought it would be nice to have something for an emergency, like if my Mom babysat while we went out of town for the day and she ran out of pumped breast milk, or something like that, oh well. Summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2001 Report Share Posted April 3, 2001 Summer wrote: <<I just called Enfamil and after being transfered *many* times, and being called back I found out the D3 is a synthetic which is derived from lanolin. So I would not consider it to be vegan and I am going to email the person who wrote the article I read.>> Reminds me of my several-year-attempt to convince PETA and several airlines to take most commercial yogurts (like Dannon & Yoplait) off their " OK " list for vegetarians (not vegans, obviously) because they use " kosher gelatin " . In other words, gelatin made from the hooves of ritually slaughtered cows rather than conventionally slaughtered pigs. Big difference, hmmm? <g> <<I am breast feeding my daughter but I thought it would be nice to have something for an emergency, like if my Mom babysat while we went out of town for the day and she ran out of pumped breast milk, or something like that>> I hope this doesn't bother anyone, but....if you really are talking about just a quick stop-gap for one extra feeding, I don't see why you can't use fortified soy milk. Yes, I know, it's not actually formula, and there are cautions everywhere on the cartons to not use it as such. But one feeding isn't that big a deal if you're normally breastfeeding. You know? I did that a few times with my daughter, and it didn't hurt her. Liz MODERATORS' COMMENT: Liz's suggestion is a reasonable one IF (and this is a big IF) your baby is close to a year old or older, has eaten a wide variety of foods, and this is a very occasional practice (less than 1 bottle, once a week). The reason for all these qualifiers is that breast milk is truly best for young babies. I'd be quite concerned about reactions to some of the things in soy milk in a young baby or one who hasn't already been exposed to a variety of foods. There have been recent reports of infants developing various nutritional deficiencies from being regularly fed soy or rice milk instead of breast milk or infant formula. That's why I suggest using soy milk to replace breast milk only in an older baby and only very occasionally. Reed Mangels, PhD, RD Nutrition Advisor, VRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2001 Report Share Posted April 4, 2001 It's unfortunate that there isn't a vegan artificial breast milk (ABM), but I think what's more unfortunate is the unsafety of ABM in general. Sara --- " Theron & amp; Summer " <tasroe wrote: > I just called Enfamil and after being transfered > *many* times, and > being called back I found out the D3 is a synthetic > which is derived > from lanolin. So I would not consider it to be vegan > and I am going > to email the person who wrote the article I read. > It was just so very bothersome having to explain > what vegan was and > then have them say say " it's vegetarian " and that > " the sheep didn't > die from it " and they are " probably ok with it " , in > regards to the > lanolin being sheep derived. > Urrrrrgggg.....it just makes me mad, can't they use > D2 or something? > I am breast feeding my daughter but I thought it > would be nice to > have something for an emergency, like if my Mom > babysat while we went > out of town for the day and she ran out of pumped > breast milk, or > something like that, oh well. > > Summer > > > Get email at your own domain with Mail. http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2001 Report Share Posted April 5, 2001 In a message dated 4/5/2001 5:21:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bodhiwork writes: > It's unfortunate that there isn't a vegan artificial > breast milk (ABM), but I think what's more unfortunate > is the unsafety of ABM in general. > > In my opinion, it is unfortunate that this society even needs artificial breastmilk. Sara Colin's Ap Mama We haven't inherited the earth, we are only borrowing it from our children. Come see us at <A HREF= " http://members.tripod.com/colinsapmama/ " >http://members.tripod.com/colinsa\ pmama/</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2001 Report Share Posted April 5, 2001 >In my opinion, it is unfortunate that this society even needs artificial >breastmilk. >Sara >Colin's Ap Mama I really enjoy lurking on this list and have learned a lot. However, statements like this freak me out. Please, PLEASE, PLEASE do not make blanket judgements about this issue and if you could find it in your heart to be a bit sensitive, that would be nice too. I desperately wanted to breast feed my now 18-month-old. I hooked up with LaLeche, I chose a pediatrician who strongly endorsed breastfeeding and his nurse practitioner was a lactation consultant. Due to a structural problem with my breasts, it was not possible -- there was no way for the milk to get out. The ped and nurse prac worked with the LaLeche people and they even got me in to see a breast specialist who said it was just not possible -- even with surgical intervention. I could bottle feed her or let her starve. In a different day and age she would have starved and perhaps you believe that that should have been my choice when faced with the decision. My formula-fed daughter is a healthy, happy, bright well-adjusted, well-bonded child. Her well-being had to take precedence over my convictions about breast feeding. Sara and others...what exactly would you have done in my situation?? Carol Mom to Lucia, 18 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2001 Report Share Posted April 5, 2001 You do, ofcourse realize that there are some medical reasons that people do need to use infant formula, don't you? Summer , colinsapmama@a... wrote: > > In my opinion, it is unfortunate that this society even needs artificial > breastmilk. > > Sara > Colin's Ap Mama > We haven't inherited the earth, we are only borrowing it from our children. > Come see us at <A HREF= " http://members.tripod.com/colinsapmama/ " >http://members.tripod.c om/colinsapmama/</A> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 In a message dated 4/5/01 9:03:38 AM Central Daylight Time, colinsapmama writes: > In my opinion, it is unfortunate that this society even needs artificial > breastmilk. > > I am currently nursing my 6 month-old-twin daughters and my 2.5 year-old son. My son never had formula as an infant, however, I do occassionally need to feed one of my daughters formula. She will only nurse when she is sleeping--don't know why, but it's been this way for three months. I am almost always able to nurse her right as she is waking up--but if I don't get to her within a few seconds she will not nurse. I was expressing milk for awhile and giving it to her in a cup when this happened, but just don't have time to pump anymore. Some of us in this society do occassionally need alternatives to breastmilk. Unfortunate? Perhaps. But hey, we're all just trying to do the best that we can, right? peace, Angela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 In a message dated 4/6/2001 5:11:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ccl writes: > . Please, PLEASE, PLEASE do not make > blanket judgements about this issue and if you could find it in your heart > I can see that this probably isn't the best place to have this discussion. I didn't think that I was being insensitive. Sara Colin's Ap Mama A baby will only spoil if you leave it on the shelf. Come see us at <A HREF= " http://www.sos.state.mi.us/election/elecadmin/2000web/index.html " > </A>h<A HREF= " http://members.tripod.com/colinsapmama/ " >ttp://members.tripod.com/colinsap\ mama/</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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