Guest guest Posted May 4, 2001 Report Share Posted May 4, 2001 Organic is certainly not equal to cruelty-free, although sometimes it seems like they try to come across as both in their ads... They may not feed the animals GMO hormones, antibiotics, or the remains of other animals, but that certainly does not mean they don't ship them out to the slaughterhouse when they don't make enough milk-- organic meat has to come from somewhere! The cows have to be constantly reinpregnated (basically raped by a human arm or other device, sorry for being so blunt) so they continue making milk, but like someone else mentioned, any male calf that could be potentially stealing the milk from the business owner (the females usually become dairy cows) it is likely headed for a veal crate. The animals could even be raised in a factory farm! --Until the new USDA organic standards are put into place next year. Free-range (eggs) could mean what we like to think it means, but it could also mean that instead of tiny wire cages, they are all crammed into a warehouse-type space with a dirt floor. No outdoors, no sunlight, no grass, etc. So there really are cruelty issues on top of the multitude of health reasons not to consume dairy! Check out www.notmilk.com, it is a great site-- lots of scientific research cited, and the cruelty issues are addressed as well. Check out the many links for more info on dairy. Hope this is helpful! Jennifer --a vegan, who is married to a vegan, who are raising a vegan (almost 2!) toddler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2001 Report Share Posted May 6, 2001 Hello there, this is just a quick note regarding your question about organic dairy products " Soil Association licensed farms not only rear animals without the routine use of drugs and artificial foodstuffs, but must also meet rigorous animal welfare standards " Soil Association leaflet, UK I believe the above to be true, the animals will only flourish under good living conditions, as they are not being given a load of antiboitics and growth hormones. If you are going to eat dairy products it is best to eat organic. However, the animals will be killed at the end of their life, so it is up to the individual vegetarian's conscience as to whether this is acceptable. I eat organic dairy produce and so do my family, no one is perfect but we still feel that as lacto-ovo vegetarians we are making a valuable stand against animal cruelty. Regards Lesley xx _________ It's amazing what happens when you breathe. www.breathe.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2005 Report Share Posted March 22, 2005 I need some help with choosing organic dairy products. (We are ovo-lacto veg.) Until recently, I have been buying Horizon products, but now I know that while their products are organic, they are still produced in CAFOs. Can anyone recommend an organic dairy brand that is widely available and doesn't engage in those kinds of practices, or are there just not any? I can get Organic Valley and some Stonyfield Farms in a store about an hour away, but I haven't been able to find any clear descriptions of their practices. On the OCA site, they recommend against Horizon but then have them listed as an organic dairy company. Help!! Chessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 I am not familiar with this term. Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: CAFOs. Carol, mom to Melissa, 3/14/94 Julia, 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 What is CAFOs and OCA? I would like to do more research on those for a self reassurance and for being able to defend the diet that my son and I might go onto. , " Chessie " <vegetariyum@c...> wrote: > > I need some help with choosing organic dairy products. (We are > ovo-lacto veg.) Until recently, I have been buying Horizon products, > but now I know that while their products are organic, they are still > produced in CAFOs. Can anyone recommend an organic dairy brand that is > widely available and doesn't engage in those kinds of practices, or are > there just not any? I can get Organic Valley and some Stonyfield Farms > in a store about an hour away, but I haven't been able to find any clear > descriptions of their practices. On the OCA site, they recommend > against Horizon but then have them listed as an organic dairy company. > Help!! > > > > Chessie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Sorry, I live in cattle-ranching country, it means confined animal feeding operation. A CAFO is typically associated with a beef-producing operation and is one of the reasons, I guess, that these animals " need " antibiotics regularly to stay healthy. In a dairy setting, same thing, way too many animals confined in a fenced-in space. It is basically the antithesis of " free-range. " carol sobczak [cpsobczak] Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:27 AM RE: organic dairy I am not familiar with this term. Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: CAFOs. Carol, mom to Melissa, 3/14/94 Julia, 2/18/97 Lily, 9/7/04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 OCA is the Organic Consumers Association, www.organicconsumers.org. vonnie_hart [vonnie_hart] Wednesday, March 23, 2005 11:28 AM Re: organic dairy What is CAFOs and OCA? I would like to do more research on those for a self reassurance and for being able to defend the diet that my son and I might go onto. , " Chessie " <vegetariyum@c...> wrote: > > I need some help with choosing organic dairy products. (We are > ovo-lacto veg.) Until recently, I have been buying Horizon products, > but now I know that while their products are organic, they are still > produced in CAFOs. Can anyone recommend an organic dairy brand that is > widely available and doesn't engage in those kinds of practices, or are > there just not any? I can get Organic Valley and some Stonyfield Farms > in a store about an hour away, but I haven't been able to find any clear > descriptions of their practices. On the OCA site, they recommend > against Horizon but then have them listed as an organic dairy company. > Help!! > > > > Chessie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Just saw your e-mail - boy that SUCKS!! I know we buy horizon as well as Stonyfield and Cabot - (I live in the NE so I try to buy from NE dairys as much as possible -we go to Horizon when we can't get Stony Field or Cabot (although Cabot is not organic they make it known that they do not use animal based casein) - and then of course there is always Ben & Jerrys - Most of the NE Dairys are smaller and have more humane practices - but it is something that we do consider when we purchase dairy products. Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: I need some help with choosing organic dairy products. (We are ovo-lacto veg.) Until recently, I have been buying Horizon products, but now I know that while their products are organic, they are still produced in CAFOs. Can anyone recommend an organic dairy brand that is widely available and doesn't engage in those kinds of practices, or are there just not any? I can get Organic Valley and some Stonyfield Farms in a store about an hour away, but I haven't been able to find any clear descriptions of their practices. On the OCA site, they recommend against Horizon but then have them listed as an organic dairy company. Help!! Chessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 I KNOW! I am really upset about the milk problem because in order to get any other brand I have to go 60 miles from home. I also buy Cabot, they have really good stuff. Additionally, Horizon's prices just went up almost 50 cents per half gallon - !! I would love to make the switch to soy milk, and I do use it a lot in things, but I was raised on milk from a small dairy - the kind that came in a glass gallon jug and had to be skimmed every morning. I don't drink a lot of milk, but I sure do love it. <sigh> Lauren Niedel [lniedel] Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:07 PM RE: organic dairy Just saw your e-mail - boy that SUCKS!! I know we buy horizon as well as Stonyfield and Cabot - (I live in the NE so I try to buy from NE dairys as much as possible -we go to Horizon when we can't get Stony Field or Cabot (although Cabot is not organic they make it known that they do not use animal based casein) - and then of course there is always Ben & Jerrys - Most of the NE Dairys are smaller and have more humane practices - but it is something that we do consider when we purchase dairy products. Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: I need some help with choosing organic dairy products. (We are ovo-lacto veg.) Until recently, I have been buying Horizon products, but now I know that while their products are organic, they are still produced in CAFOs. Can anyone recommend an organic dairy brand that is widely available and doesn't engage in those kinds of practices, or are there just not any? I can get Organic Valley and some Stonyfield Farms in a store about an hour away, but I haven't been able to find any clear descriptions of their practices. On the OCA site, they recommend against Horizon but then have them listed as an organic dairy company. Help!! Chessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 We made the switch to soy milk years ago - when we do get reg milk (if we have company -etc) we do buy organic - and usually we have 3 or 4 options - including WHole foods milk - I still won't drink it - but to my kids it is a treat~ Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: I KNOW! I am really upset about the milk problem because in order to get any other brand I have to go 60 miles from home. I also buy Cabot, they have really good stuff. Additionally, Horizon's prices just went up almost 50 cents per half gallon - !! I would love to make the switch to soy milk, and I do use it a lot in things, but I was raised on milk from a small dairy - the kind that came in a glass gallon jug and had to be skimmed every morning. I don't drink a lot of milk, but I sure do love it. Lauren Niedel [lniedel] Thursday, March 24, 2005 10:07 PM RE: organic dairy Just saw your e-mail - boy that SUCKS!! I know we buy horizon as well as Stonyfield and Cabot - (I live in the NE so I try to buy from NE dairys as much as possible -we go to Horizon when we can't get Stony Field or Cabot (although Cabot is not organic they make it known that they do not use animal based casein) - and then of course there is always Ben & Jerrys - Most of the NE Dairys are smaller and have more humane practices - but it is something that we do consider when we purchase dairy products. Chessie wrote: I need some help with choosing organic dairy products. (We are ovo-lacto veg.) Until recently, I have been buying Horizon products, but now I know that while their products are organic, they are still produced in CAFOs. Can anyone recommend an organic dairy brand that is widely available and doesn't engage in those kinds of practices, or are there just not any? I can get Organic Valley and some Stonyfield Farms in a store about an hour away, but I haven't been able to find any clear descriptions of their practices. On the OCA site, they recommend against Horizon but then have them listed as an organic dairy company. Help!! Chessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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