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Hi there,

I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question for a veg parents list,

but I figured some of you moms or dads out there might also be trying to

have a " simpler

living " approach to child-rearing. My first baby is 8 weeks old now,

and

I'm starting to have insecurities about my " simpler living " approach.

My

husband and I feel strongly that we don't want having a baby to be a

consumerist thing, and thus litter our lives and our house with plastic

toys and other products generated by corporate greed that she'll use for

a

few months and then have no use for. So we never bought her any toys,

and

already have plenty of stuffed animals and rattles that friends and

family have given

us. But now that she's starting to become more aware of her

surroundings,

I feel like I'm depriving her by not buying her something like a

playskool

kickstart gym. How do you feel about these things? Sometimes I can see

why

it's tempting to use something

like that to occupy and stimulate the kid when you can't be right there,

 

waving things at her. Plus some people say there's merit to a toy that

responds to what the baby does, like her being able to kick to make toys

 

move or music play. But one has to ask one's self, how did the very

busy

moms of the 1800s get their laundry/cooking/cleaning done with no

complicated plastic toys? How did their babies develop motor skills

with

no kickstart gym? It's a valid question, I think. I need to

communicate

with other moms that feel this way though, so I don't get overly

influenced

by mainstream people who think that all these plastic accoutrements are

necessary for child-raising. I was just wondering what all of you

thought. Thanks!

Leena

 

 

 

 

 

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In children, drinking milk is linked to ear infections, asthma, autism,

intestinal bleeding and juvenile diabetes, a disease that can cause

blindness.

 

" There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It was

designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it

today. " - Dr. Frank A. Oski, former director of pediatrics, Johns

Hopkins University, author of the physicians' textbook: The Portabl

Pediatrician.

 

" I no longer recommend dairy products...there was a time when cow's milk

was considered very desirable. But research, along with clinical

experience, has forced doctors and nutritionists to rethink this

recommendation. " - Dr. Benjamin Spock

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Hello!

 

Just thought I would share my thoughts on the toy idea. I have four

children ages 2yr, 3yr, 6yr, & 8yr. I have tried the toy idea with the

oldest and the simpler living approach with the smaller two. I have found

that the plastic toys that flash and make noise are interesting for about 5

mins and then they are consigned to the void. (that's the bucket of toys no

one cares to look at) :) I have found looking through " classic toy

catalogs " great to get an idea of what to try out. Have you ever heard of

Baby Bach? My kids really like that. I even keep a baby the same age as

yours and he loves it. It is classical music with pictures. I wouldn't

give into the kick start gyms and stuff like that yet. I was really

disappointed when I did. My littles two have developed wonderfully with no

flashing gadgets. You might search around on the web because I found

information that toys like that actually help develop short attention spans

in youngsters. They start to expect toys to do greater and greater things

and they are bored when they try to entertain themselves. Good Luck and I

am always willing to talk and share ideas on raising kids! :)

 

Renee

renee

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<leena

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Monday, May 07, 2001 7:46 PM

toy question

 

 

> Hi there,

> I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question for a veg parents list,

> but I figured some of you moms or dads out there might also be trying to

> have a " simpler

> living " approach to child-rearing. My first baby is 8 weeks old now,

> and

> I'm starting to have insecurities about my " simpler living " approach.

> My

> husband and I feel strongly that we don't want having a baby to be a

> consumerist thing, and thus litter our lives and our house with plastic

> toys and other products generated by corporate greed that she'll use for

> a

> few months and then have no use for. So we never bought her any toys,

> and

> already have plenty of stuffed animals and rattles that friends and

> family have given

> us. But now that she's starting to become more aware of her

> surroundings,

> I feel like I'm depriving her by not buying her something like a

> playskool

> kickstart gym. How do you feel about these things? Sometimes I can see

> why

> it's tempting to use something

> like that to occupy and stimulate the kid when you can't be right there,

>

> waving things at her. Plus some people say there's merit to a toy that

> responds to what the baby does, like her being able to kick to make toys

>

> move or music play. But one has to ask one's self, how did the very

> busy

> moms of the 1800s get their laundry/cooking/cleaning done with no

> complicated plastic toys? How did their babies develop motor skills

> with

> no kickstart gym? It's a valid question, I think. I need to

> communicate

> with other moms that feel this way though, so I don't get overly

> influenced

> by mainstream people who think that all these plastic accoutrements are

> necessary for child-raising. I was just wondering what all of you

> thought. Thanks!

> Leena

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Visit the garden: http://www.leenasgarden.com

>

> In children, drinking milk is linked to ear infections, asthma, autism,

> intestinal bleeding and juvenile diabetes, a disease that can cause

> blindness.

>

> " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It was

> designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it

> today. " - Dr. Frank A. Oski, former director of pediatrics, Johns

> Hopkins University, author of the physicians' textbook: The Portabl

> Pediatrician.

>

> " I no longer recommend dairy products...there was a time when cow's milk

> was considered very desirable. But research, along with clinical

> experience, has forced doctors and nutritionists to rethink this

> recommendation. " - Dr. Benjamin Spock

>

>

>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.

>

>

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I don't know about the kickstart gym but we did buy toys for our kids

when they were babies - but only at garage sales and used children's

clothes and toys stores. When we were done we either re-sold them or gave

them away. I am not sure that the things we got were necessarily needed

and some weren't even played with. But for us the issue was our impact on

the environment by our consumerism. Our decision to by used let us give

ourselves permission to get toys for the kids...

 

Now though with our 6 year old things are different and we haven't taken

the stand with him that he can only purchase used toys with his

allowance. It is his choice, just as it was our choice to buy our couch

new rather than used. But he absolutely LOVES going to Flea Markets!

 

But the best toys by far to my boys are playgrounds. We could be there

all day long with some balls and shovels...

 

Carmen in Norway

 

>

>Hi there,

>I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question for a veg parents list,

>but I figured some of you moms or dads out there might also be trying to

>have a " simpler

>living " approach to child-rearing. My first baby is 8 weeks old now,

>and

>I'm starting to have insecurities about my " simpler living " approach.

>My

>husband and I feel strongly that we don't want having a baby to be a

>consumerist thing, and thus litter our lives and our house with plastic

>toys and other products generated by corporate greed that she'll use for

>a

>few months and then have no use for. So we never bought her any toys,

>and

>already have plenty of stuffed animals and rattles that friends and

>family have given

>us. But now that she's starting to become more aware of her

>surroundings,

>I feel like I'm depriving her by not buying her something like a

>playskool

>kickstart gym. How do you feel about these things? Sometimes I can see

>why

>it's tempting to use something

>like that to occupy and stimulate the kid when you can't be right there,

>

>waving things at her. Plus some people say there's merit to a toy that

>responds to what the baby does, like her being able to kick to make toys

>

>move or music play. But one has to ask one's self, how did the very

>busy

>moms of the 1800s get their laundry/cooking/cleaning done with no

>complicated plastic toys? How did their babies develop motor skills

>with

>no kickstart gym? It's a valid question, I think. I need to

>communicate

>with other moms that feel this way though, so I don't get overly

>influenced

>by mainstream people who think that all these plastic accoutrements are

>necessary for child-raising. I was just wondering what all of you

>thought. Thanks!

>Leena

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Leena,

 

I can understand how you feel. I've sometimes felt

guilty that my son never had a crib mobile when he was

a baby. (Of course, did Mozart need a crib mobile?)

In fact, there were a lot of things we never got for

him that other parents seemed to find a necessity.

We've mostly bought him books. Most of the toys he

has came from relatives and friends.

 

Now 3 1/2, he is a happy, intelligent, and imaginative

child. He couldn't care less about getting presents

from people, nor does he beg for toys when we're out

shopping. I am trying to instill in him the

importance of being grateful for what he has, instead

of always desiring what he doesn't have (you know, the

American way.)

 

I personally don't see anything wrong with getting

your daughter a kick-start gym (our son did have one

of those musical/light-up gyms as a baby), but whether

you get her one or not don't feel guilty about it.

 

Our reasons for not buying our son more material

things when he was a baby were more financial than

ethical. Since then, I have come to realize the

wisdom in " simpler living, " and I applaud your efforts

to raise your daughter this way.

 

Maria

 

 

 

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My now 19-month-old has grown up in a house full of toys...so we're

not on the same philosophical page, exactly. But I'm always happy to

talk about kids and playing:)

 

I can't imagine anything my daughter does that she wouldn't have done

without her stash of toys. And I can't think of much of anything that

she has that couldn't be simulated by stuff you have around the house.

Some " interactive " toys are beyond ludicrous and my daughter

consistently will play longer with a bunch of mateless socks than she

will with something that requires 6 batteries.

 

I also don't think that she necessarily can distinguish between " her "

toys and general household items that are just fun to play with

(measuring cups, containers of spices, kitchen towels, empty boxes,

cats, socks etc.). The age-old story about kids who get boxes of

presents and end up playing with the boxes are true.

 

As long as you're aware of approximately where she should be

developmentally as time goes on, and make sure she gets whatever

stimulation she needs (visual, auditory, sensory, motor, etc.) I'd

agree that civilization made tremendous advances even without Fisher

Price and Toys R Us.

 

Here is an article I bookmarked a while back and it has a great list of

household stuff to nurture a child's imagination.

 

http://www.informedparent.com/articles/nurturingimagination.html

 

 

Carol

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On Mon, 7 May 2001 leena wrote:

 

> My first baby is 8 weeks old now, and I'm starting to have

> insecurities about my " simpler living " approach. My husband and I feel

> strongly that we don't want having a baby to be a consumerist thing,

> and thus litter our lives and our house with plastic toys and other

> products generated by corporate greed that she'll use for a few months

> and then have no use for. So we never bought her any toys, and

> already have plenty of stuffed animals and rattles that friends and

> family have given us. But now that she's starting to become more

> aware of her surroundings, I feel like I'm depriving her by not buying

> her something like a playskool kickstart gym. How do you feel about

> these things?

 

I think they're pretty cool toys. I wish they made them in grown-up

sizes. ;)

 

But, I also don't think there's any one toy that kids absolutely must have

to develop properly. What babies need is plenty of opportunities to

interact with their environment in a variety of ways. A Kickstart Gym

could be one piece of that, but it doesn't have to be. I'm sure you can

think of plenty of other low-tech ways to let your baby interact with the

world. Babies developed just fine before Kickstart Gyms were ever

invented and they can continue to do so now with them.

 

If you really want a gym (whether because you think you need one or you

just really like them) but you're primarly worried about " wasting " baby

toys that are grown out of quickly, you may be able to find a gym or

something similar in a thrift shop or at Goodwill. Or you could buy one

with the understanding that you will give it to someone else (maybe

someplace like a battered women's shelter, where development opportunities

for children may genuinely be limited) when your child grows out of it.

There's a long tradition of recycling children's items by passing them on

to someone else's kid. Consciously continuing that tradition is an

excellent way to cut down on clutter as well as to cultivate compassion

and generosity in yourself and, when she's old enough to participate, in

your child.

 

----

Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia

 

The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered

three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the

purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each

nonexisted in an entirely different way ...

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Hi Leena and everyone,

 

You should investigate the Waldorf lifestyle - Waldorf is

" technically " an educational method, but people really " live " it. If

you live in/near a metropolitan area, I bet there's a Waldorf school

near you, and if not, there's a Waldorf e-mail list. The rs

to that list talk about this concern monthly if not more often!

 

Contact me off-list if you want more info, I would include it here but

I'm out of time right now....

 

Warmly,

Emily

 

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" "

Monday, May 07, 2001 6:46 PM

toy question

 

 

| Hi there,

| I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question for a veg parents

list,

| but I figured some of you moms or dads out there might also be

trying to

| have a " simpler

| living " approach to child-rearing. My first baby is 8 weeks old

now,

| and

| I'm starting to have insecurities about my " simpler living "

approach.

| My

| husband and I feel strongly that we don't want having a baby to be a

| consumerist thing, and thus litter our lives and our house with

plastic

| toys and other products generated by corporate greed that she'll use

for

| a

| few months and then have no use for. So we never bought her any

toys,

| and

| already have plenty of stuffed animals and rattles that friends and

| family have given

| us. But now that she's starting to become more aware of her

| surroundings,

| I feel like I'm depriving her by not buying her something like a

| playskool

| kickstart gym. How do you feel about these things? Sometimes I can

see

| why

| it's tempting to use something

| like that to occupy and stimulate the kid when you can't be right

there,

|

| waving things at her. Plus some people say there's merit to a toy

that

| responds to what the baby does, like her being able to kick to make

toys

|

| move or music play. But one has to ask one's self, how did the

very

| busy

| moms of the 1800s get their laundry/cooking/cleaning done with no

| complicated plastic toys? How did their babies develop motor skills

| with

| no kickstart gym? It's a valid question, I think. I need to

| communicate

| with other moms that feel this way though, so I don't get overly

| influenced

| by mainstream people who think that all these plastic accoutrements

are

| necessary for child-raising. I was just wondering what all of you

| thought. Thanks!

| Leena

|

|

|

|

|

| --

| Visit the garden: http://www.leenasgarden.com

|

| In children, drinking milk is linked to ear infections, asthma,

autism,

| intestinal bleeding and juvenile diabetes, a disease that can cause

| blindness.

|

| " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It

was

| designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it

| today. " - Dr. Frank A. Oski, former director of pediatrics, Johns

| Hopkins University, author of the physicians' textbook: The Portabl

| Pediatrician.

|

| " I no longer recommend dairy products...there was a time when cow's

milk

| was considered very desirable. But research, along with clinical

| experience, has forced doctors and nutritionists to rethink this

| recommendation. " - Dr. Benjamin Spock

|

|

|

|

|

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I " m sure even frontier moms of the 1800 had toys for their babies according to

what was available. I dont think it is possible, with how crazy life can be

theese days, to not raise a baby into a consumer. But you could accomplish

simpler living by not owning a playstation or nintendo, limiting tv and computer

time and giving the child options to do things that are educational and by

spending a lot of time playing outside and at the park and stuff like that. If

your scheduel allows of course. Teach the child that having enough to get by and

working to earn what they want and need is the way to go, instead of instant

gratification. for example...my sister is 4 years old. From the time she was

small my parents got her a " prize " when ever they went out. Now she expects that

everytime they go out she deserves a prize. I will not do this with my daughter.

I plan on taking her to garage sales and yard sales and teaching her that she

has to work hard and earn what she wants. Age appropriate of course. But from

experience having a kick start gym is fun, and will help the child develop and

keep you from having to entertain her for every waking minute. Which will pay

off in the end. So go to garage sales and second hand stores. Buy some of the

baby toys there. and if you havent all ready the best thing i ever bought for my

baby was a swing. she would sit for hours and nap in it. we took it outside and

she loved it. Simple living can be taught as the child grows up. at 8wks old,

just enjoy being a mommy.

jessica.

leena wrote:

Hi there,

I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question for a veg parents list,

but I figured some of you moms or dads out there might also be trying to

have a " simpler

living " approach to child-rearing. My first baby is 8 weeks old now,

and

I'm starting to have insecurities about my " simpler living " approach.

My

husband and I feel strongly that we don't want having a baby to be a

consumerist thing, and thus litter our lives and our house with plastic

toys and other products generated by corporate greed that she'll use for

a

few months and then have no use for. So we never bought her any toys,

and

already have plenty of stuffed animals and rattles that friends and

family have given

us. But now that she's starting to become more aware of her

surroundings,

I feel like I'm depriving her by not buying her something like a

playskool

kickstart gym. How do you feel about these things? Sometimes I can see

why

it's tempting to use something

like that to occupy and stimulate the kid when you can't be right there,

 

waving things at her. Plus some people say there's merit to a toy that

responds to what the baby does, like her being able to kick to make toys

 

move or music play. But one has to ask one's self, how did the very

busy

moms of the 1800s get their laundry/cooking/cleaning done with no

complicated plastic toys? How did their babies develop motor skills

with

no kickstart gym? It's a valid question, I think. I need to

communicate

with other moms that feel this way though, so I don't get overly

influenced

by mainstream people who think that all these plastic accoutrements are

necessary for child-raising. I was just wondering what all of you

thought. Thanks!

Leena

 

 

 

 

 

--

Visit the garden: http://www.leenasgarden.com

 

In children, drinking milk is linked to ear infections, asthma, autism,

intestinal bleeding and juvenile diabetes, a disease that can cause

blindness.

 

" There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It was

designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it

today. " - Dr. Frank A. Oski, former director of pediatrics, Johns

Hopkins University, author of the physicians' textbook: The Portabl

Pediatrician.

 

" I no longer recommend dairy products...there was a time when cow's milk

was considered very desirable. But research, along with clinical

experience, has forced doctors and nutritionists to rethink this

recommendation. " - Dr. Benjamin Spock

 

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.

 

 

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My son has tons of plastic and battery operated toys, my mother loves to buy

them so I don't stop her from buying them, my only rule is no toy guns AT

ALL! Anyway, they hardly ever get played with! The only toys that he seems

to like right now (my son is 17 months old) are his ride on toys. He will

play with the " fun toys " for a few minutes and then they lose their appeal.

He loves to play with his board books, legos and the pots and pans cupboard

or anything that he isn't supposed to really be playing with. He is really

happy just going outside and playing with the rocks or dirt. He did play

with his " Rock n Roll Elmo " quite a bit, he loves anything that plays music,

but he gets just as happy dancing to the music on the stereo. When he was an

infant, we bought all of the " really neat toys " for him but, he never really

liked them, he was more fascinated with me than any old toy!

 

 

 

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Leena,

I don't know what a Kickstart gym is, but when my kids were very little,

the kind of " gym " that hung objects within their reach for batting and

kicking at were a BIG hit. I tried making one myself by hanging safe

objects by string over a couple of stools or chairs...but in the end I

got an old " gym " at a garage sale. I had a lot of trouble keeping my

kids amused in that pre-crawling stage... It was easy enough to resell or

give away old baby toys. THe hard part is getting the kids to part with

toys they have when they are toddlers and preschoolers. At 8, my son

seems ready to move on, but my 5-yr-old is still unwilling to part with

the rubble of toys (plastic and otherwise-the stuffed animals take up the

most space) that we've accumulated, and yes, I'd like to reduce the

clutter already! We buy almost everything at garage sales or resale, but

I sometimes feel we are overdoing it even then. One can learn

acquisitiveness even from a garagesale...Susan

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Carol said: as long as you're aware of approximately where she should be

developmentally as time goes on, and make sure she gets whatever stimulation

she needs (visual, auditory, sensory, motor, etc.)

 

I agree. I think at babycenter.com, they provide information of what

children need as stimulus by age. I know Lamaze makes great baby toys. Not

that you have to buy them, but you can check them out and then provide

similar stuff that you already have at home. I would provide your daughter

with lots of books and music. My Sofie (22 months), who has a medium amount

of toys, prefers books, music & dancing, and playing with her toy kitchen.

That toy kitchen she could not do without!!! She loves to pretend to cook

and serve us food. It is so cute.

 

Have fun with your daughter every day!!!

 

Deb

 

 

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My daughter is in a Waldorf Village preschool setting once a week and we have

modeled our home and our lifestyle after what we see there. I agree whole

heartedly. It is wonderful!

 

Bonnie

 

The phrase " working mother " is redundant.

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Emily Goodin

Tuesday, May 08, 2001 12:35 PM

Re: toy question

 

 

Hi Leena and everyone,

 

You should investigate the Waldorf lifestyle - Waldorf is

" technically " an educational method, but people really " live " it. If

you live in/near a metropolitan area, I bet there's a Waldorf school

near you, and if not, there's a Waldorf e-mail list. The rs

to that list talk about this concern monthly if not more often!

 

Contact me off-list if you want more info, I would include it here but

I'm out of time right now....

 

Warmly,

Emily

 

-

<leena

" "

Monday, May 07, 2001 6:46 PM

toy question

 

 

| Hi there,

| I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question for a veg parents

list,

| but I figured some of you moms or dads out there might also be

trying to

| have a " simpler

| living " approach to child-rearing. My first baby is 8 weeks old

now,

| and

| I'm starting to have insecurities about my " simpler living "

approach.

| My

| husband and I feel strongly that we don't want having a baby to be a

| consumerist thing, and thus litter our lives and our house with

plastic

| toys and other products generated by corporate greed that she'll use

for

| a

| few months and then have no use for. So we never bought her any

toys,

| and

| already have plenty of stuffed animals and rattles that friends and

| family have given

| us. But now that she's starting to become more aware of her

| surroundings,

| I feel like I'm depriving her by not buying her something like a

| playskool

| kickstart gym. How do you feel about these things? Sometimes I can

see

| why

| it's tempting to use something

| like that to occupy and stimulate the kid when you can't be right

there,

|

| waving things at her. Plus some people say there's merit to a toy

that

| responds to what the baby does, like her being able to kick to make

toys

|

| move or music play. But one has to ask one's self, how did the

very

| busy

| moms of the 1800s get their laundry/cooking/cleaning done with no

| complicated plastic toys? How did their babies develop motor skills

| with

| no kickstart gym? It's a valid question, I think. I need to

| communicate

| with other moms that feel this way though, so I don't get overly

| influenced

| by mainstream people who think that all these plastic accoutrements

are

| necessary for child-raising. I was just wondering what all of you

| thought. Thanks!

| Leena

|

|

|

|

|

| --

| Visit the garden: http://www.leenasgarden.com

|

| In children, drinking milk is linked to ear infections, asthma,

autism,

| intestinal bleeding and juvenile diabetes, a disease that can cause

| blindness.

|

| " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It

was

| designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it

| today. " - Dr. Frank A. Oski, former director of pediatrics, Johns

| Hopkins University, author of the physicians' textbook: The Portabl

| Pediatrician.

|

| " I no longer recommend dairy products...there was a time when cow's

milk

| was considered very desirable. But research, along with clinical

| experience, has forced doctors and nutritionists to rethink this

| recommendation. " - Dr. Benjamin Spock

|

|

|

|

|

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most of this you can also make very simply yourself. We really tried to avoid

buying things, and we also tried to avoid as much plastic as possible. And as

we both worked

fulltime, we did not have a lot a lot of time to make things, so they had to be

easy to make! Fortunately our caregivers were of similar values, so we felt

well supported in our

ideas. Good luck!

 

leena wrote:

 

> Hi there,

> I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question for a veg parents list,

> but I figured some of you moms or dads out there might also be trying to

> have a " simpler

> living " approach to child-rearing. My first baby is 8 weeks old now,

> and

> I'm starting to have insecurities about my " simpler living " approach.

> My

> husband and I feel strongly that we don't want having a baby to be a

> consumerist thing, and thus litter our lives and our house with plastic

> toys and other products generated by corporate greed that she'll use for

> a

> few months and then have no use for. So we never bought her any toys,

> and

> already have plenty of stuffed animals and rattles that friends and

> family have given

> us. But now that she's starting to become more aware of her

> surroundings,

> I feel like I'm depriving her by not buying her something like a

> playskool

> kickstart gym. How do you feel about these things? Sometimes I can see

> why

> it's tempting to use something

> like that to occupy and stimulate the kid when you can't be right there,

>

> waving things at her. Plus some people say there's merit to a toy that

> responds to what the baby does, like her being able to kick to make toys

>

> move or music play. But one has to ask one's self, how did the very

> busy

> moms of the 1800s get their laundry/cooking/cleaning done with no

> complicated plastic toys? How did their babies develop motor skills

> with

> no kickstart gym? It's a valid question, I think. I need to

> communicate

> with other moms that feel this way though, so I don't get overly

> influenced

> by mainstream people who think that all these plastic accoutrements are

> necessary for child-raising. I was just wondering what all of you

> thought. Thanks!

> Leena

>

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> Visit the garden: http://www.leenasgarden.com

>

> In children, drinking milk is linked to ear infections, asthma, autism,

> intestinal bleeding and juvenile diabetes, a disease that can cause

> blindness.

>

> " There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It was

> designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it

> today. " - Dr. Frank A. Oski, former director of pediatrics, Johns

> Hopkins University, author of the physicians' textbook: The Portabl

> Pediatrician.

>

> " I no longer recommend dairy products...there was a time when cow's milk

> was considered very desirable. But research, along with clinical

> experience, has forced doctors and nutritionists to rethink this

> recommendation. " - Dr. Benjamin Spock

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.

>

>

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Hi! Just had to comment as I have a 17 month old daughter. Her favorite toy is

any water bottle with a screw cap and a pile of small stones. Unscrew cap,

insert stone, screw cap back on, shake. Repeat for hours and hours.

 

Bonnie

 

The phrase " working mother " is redundant.

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colinsapmama

Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:52 AM

Re: toy question

 

 

My son has tons of plastic and battery operated toys, my mother loves to buy

them so I don't stop her from buying them, my only rule is no toy guns AT

ALL! Anyway, they hardly ever get played with! The only toys that he seems

to like right now (my son is 17 months old) are his ride on toys. He will

play with the " fun toys " for a few minutes and then they lose their appeal.

He loves to play with his board books, legos and the pots and pans cupboard

or anything that he isn't supposed to really be playing with. He is really

happy just going outside and playing with the rocks or dirt. He did play

with his " Rock n Roll Elmo " quite a bit, he loves anything that plays music,

but he gets just as happy dancing to the music on the stereo. When he was an

infant, we bought all of the " really neat toys " for him but, he never really

liked them, he was more fascinated with me than any old toy!

 

 

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I know I'm responding late (it's been sheer chaos around here recently),

but I have a few ideas that I didn't see mentioned exactly....

 

1) Wooden toys rather than plastic. Because they're more expensive,

it's a lot easier to remind yourself to only buy a few!! They'll last

for generations. They're safer (truly non-toxic, that sort of thing).

Also, the kind of stores & catalogs that offer them are usually more the

kind you'd probably " want " to patronize.

 

2) Toy sharing among family members and friends. Especially the

baby/toddler toys, which have such a limited time of usefulness. I just

met a friend at a cafe to return her Radio Flyer scooter (the kind you

sit on and scoot with your legs). After her older daughter had grown

out of it, we got it for a year, and returned it in time for her younger

daughter to start using it this summer. Perfect timing!

 

3) Toys that grow with the child (see wooden toys, above!). Blocks

have a much longer lifespan than a Kickstart Gym. A simple doll will be

loved for years.

 

4) Find other families that seem to share some/most of your

sensibilities and ask them which toys their kids couldn't do without,

and which ones they wish they'd never wasted their money on.

 

5) Ask your parents/grandparents/aunts/uncles if you can look through

their storage areas for stuff. Remember, though, that current safety

standards are significantly higher than in previous generations: lead

paints were routinely used in toy manufacture, for example.

 

I'd also like to second (third, fourth, fifth??!!) the suggestion to

frequent second-hand stores and rummage sales.

 

Liz

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