Hunting season woes

October 22, 2001

I can't believe I'm living with my inlaws during hunting season. It's bad

enough living with people who eat meat. It's bad enough that they hunt.

It's bad enough that they hunt on this property. But they also hang and

slaughter the deer here, in plain sight of the house. I'm hoping my 3 year

old is oblivious, as I'm not ready to deal with this while we're living with

them. *sigh*

Sandra

October 23, 2001

<< I'm not ready to deal with this while we're living with

them. *sigh* >>

I feel so badly for you...what a position to be in. There must be some

really negative energy in that house with all of that animal slaughter on the

grounds. I don't know if you are a spiritual person - clearly you love

animals - can you send these poor animal souls some golden

light/prayer/positive energy? Also, protect yourself, you don't want all of

that killing energy to drain you...you already sound so sad...

Blessings,

Lisa

October 23, 2001

In a message dated 10/23/2001 11:29:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

bebarker writes:

> I hear that! We just moved to a rural part of Michigan and the neighbors

> across the street currently have their kill hanging in the yard, directly

> in

> view from my front windows!

Where at in Michigan?? I am in Clarkston, I see that everyone once in ahwile

out here, it always makes me sick! I really hate seeing them strapped to

cars, there should be some sort of law against driving around with a dead

animal on the top of your car, what about all of the kids who get upset at

that?

Sara

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October 23, 2001

I hear that! We just moved to a rural part of Michigan and the neighbors

across the street currently have their kill hanging in the yard, directly in

view from my front windows! My daughter just turned 3 and hasn't noticed

it... yet. Although she always seems to notice whenever " Bambi " and his

mommy make their way through our property, so I can only assume she'll

notice soon.

Bonnie

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" Sandra Mort " <sandra.mort

Monday, October 22, 2001 4:31 PM

Hunting season woes

> I can't believe I'm living with my inlaws during hunting season. It's bad

> enough living with people who eat meat. It's bad enough that they hunt.

> It's bad enough that they hunt on this property. But they also hang and

> slaughter the deer here, in plain sight of the house. I'm hoping my 3

year

> old is oblivious, as I'm not ready to deal with this while we're living

with

> them. *sigh*

>

> Sandra

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

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>

October 23, 2001

could you explain to your in laws how strongly you feel about this? Agree on a

compromise such as they let you know when they need to " slaughter " their deer

and you can take your child and go somewhere else. Vegetarian or not, I grew up

with a family of hunters and have seen many a deer slaughtered and I don't

believe any child that young should see any animal skinned and cut apart, it's

too traumatic of an experience for their little minds to comprehend. Good luck!

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October 24, 2001

Wow, that doesn't sound nice Sandra, I am sorry you have to live with that. It

upsets me that people kill such a beautiful animal just to eat it when they

don't even need to do that to survive. Here in Switzerland deer is a specialty

in Autumn and at my MIL's birthday we went out to dinner and everybody except my

2 years old and I ate deer. Really gross. I won't be doing that anymore, you can

bet on that. As if that was not enough, my MIL is actually doing chemotherapy to

" rule out " breast cancer, but she still ate that awful meal. People have strange

ideas about what's good for them.

Hugs,

" My darling girl, when are you going to understand

that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue.

It rather denotes a lack of courage! "

Aunt Frances in Practical Magic

October 24, 2001

We are between St. Clair & Richmond. I haven't seen any deer on top of cars

yet this season, but I know what you mean. I dread the day my daughter

notices that! I'm also a little nervous about walking around on the back

part of the property this time of year without dressing in neon orange : /

Bonnie

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Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:37 PM

Re: Hunting season woes

> In a message dated 10/23/2001 11:29:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> bebarker writes:

>

> > I hear that! We just moved to a rural part of Michigan and the neighbors

> > across the street currently have their kill hanging in the yard,

directly

> > in

> > view from my front windows!

>

> Where at in Michigan?? I am in Clarkston, I see that everyone once in

ahwile

> out here, it always makes me sick! I really hate seeing them strapped to

> cars, there should be some sort of law against driving around with a dead

> animal on the top of your car, what about all of the kids who get upset at

> that?

> Sara

> Colin's Ap Mama

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October 25, 2001

I meant to say that I won't be going out to dinner with them when they are

planning to eat that. Sarah and I didn't have any. Yuck!

Hugs,

" My darling girl, when are you going to understand

that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue.

It rather denotes a lack of courage! "

Aunt Frances in Practical Magic

October 26, 2001

It used to really bother me to see the dead deer also,

but now I look at it differently. I think that part

of the reason people eat meat is that they can deny

the brutality involved. They go to the grocery store

and buy meat in neat packages and can totally

disassociate from the fact that it was a feeling being

who suffered greatly before and while it was killed.

I think people should have to look into the eyes of an

animal that they are about to eat.

In the animal rights group I'm in, we show video of

animals being slaughtered for food. Meat eaters are

sickened by the reality of how their meals get to

their plates, as they should be.

As for children being upset, our showing of reality is

a drop in the bucket compared to the propaganda put

out by the food animal industry. The Charlie the Tuna

and Perdue chicken ads are examples. The animals in

the ads consider it a great honor and privledge to be

killed for human consumption. And the McDonalds

" happy meals " ads are another example of the fast food

industry taking advantage of childrens' natural love

of animals. The food companies try to convince kids

that eating brutality killed animals is a fun and

" happy " thing. I will gladly have my children

understand the truth, as upsetting as the truth often

is.

>I really hate

> seeing them strapped to

> cars, there should be some sort of law against

> driving around with a dead

> animal on the top of your car, what about all of the

> kids who get upset at

> that?

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November 2, 2001

> enough living with people who eat meat. It's bad enough that they hunt.

++++Sorry you have to see this. My sil's husband is a hunter and always

showing his pics at family get togethers. Dh and I always drive home what a

beautiful animal it was before he killed it. He's a lost cause but we make

the fuss for his kids sake, so they know that it isn't socially acceptable

to kill animals then brag about it like you're a hero.

~*~Mitzi

Mommy to Haley 3/00

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November 2, 2001

In a message dated 11/2/2001 5:20:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,

vegibrgr writes:

> Sorry you have to see this. My sil's husband is a hunter and always

> showing his pics at family get togethers. Dh and I always drive home what

> a

> beautiful animal it was before he killed it. He's a lost cause but we make

> the fuss for his kids sake, so they know that it isn't socially acceptable

> to kill animals then brag about it like you're a hero.

>

My brother in law died last year while hunting. It kind of put a strain in

my marriage because my husband knows how I feel about hunting. The whole

funeral was centerd around hunting, they even played a Ted Nugent song about

hunting during the service! They put antlers on his casket and kept on

saying how he died doing what he loved, I did put up with it for my husband's

sake and didn't make any comments but it was difficult and very sad that

everyone's main focus was on hunting when he was also a father.

His passing was sad, he had a nine month old son, but all they could say was

how sad it was that he would never get to take his son out hunting. His

widow told her older son who was going out hunting that weekend to kill one

for her! Like it was the deer's fault!

I was thinking of getting their son a copy of Bambi for his second birthday,

do you think that would be totally inappropriate?

Sara

November 5, 2001

I don't think they'd understand it. My (hunting) inlaws LOVE the movie

Bambi. I don't get it, I just don't get it.

-Sandra

November 5, 2001

Sara;

that was one of the saddest displays of ignorance I heard of in a

while. I donot believe there is anything you could do that would bring lite

to this situation.It is so sad but they have been on this mission for a long

time. Just pray for a miracle.

And your a real strong woman to sit peacefully during all of this maddness.

Lynda

November 5, 2001

<I was thinking of getting their son a copy of Bambi for his second birthday,

do you think that would be totally inappropriate?>

No, Bambi is a great movie. Noone could say a word against it.

Hugs,

" My darling girl, when are you going to understand

that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue.

It rather denotes a lack of courage! "

Aunt Frances in Practical Magic

November 6, 2001

> My brother in law died last year while hunting.

++++Oh no, how sad. Seems like every year at least a couple of people are

killed in our state while hunting.

The whole

> funeral was centerd around hunting, they even played a Ted Nugent song

about

> hunting during the service!

++++I can't stand Ted-has-been-Nugent. We boycotted our local PBS station

because they were playing his hunting shows a couple of years ago. No

donations from us!

> His passing was sad, he had a nine month old son,

++++Poor baby will never get to know his daddy. Such a needless loss of

life.

> I was thinking of getting their son a copy of Bambi for his second

birthday,

> do you think that would be totally inappropriate?

+++I would think maybe his 3rd birthday. By that age you could talk to him

about it sort of.

~*~Mitzi

Mommy to Haley 3/00

PCO article in Newsweek:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/648842.asp

November 6, 2001

I find it interesting that there are several of us on the veg parents list

that are dealing with partners who hunt or come from hunting backgrounds.

I've dreaded hunting season for the past couple years (although off season

fishing isn't that much better) with my partner and his extremely gun-happy,

conservative family, but now it's much worse that we have a son and I don't

know how I am going to handle it. I'm afraid that addressing the issue is

just going to make it worse, but I know that I can't just ignore it when the

time comes. I've also thought about putting Bambi into heavy rotation from

birth and then relate what daddy and his family does to the Bambi characters

and hopefully a small child can relate in that way. It's not only the hunting

issue that I am concerned about, but the fact that that are very loose with

their guns and make cleaning them with the kids running around after dinner a

family ritual. Even if the guns weren't being used to kill living creatures I

still have a problem with my son being around guns. I am opposed to violence

and hunting is a very violent " hobby " . I don't want him growing up in a

situation where he desensitized to what it actually is. I think that's what

happened to his father.

Tera

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November 7, 2001

In my family my dad hunted but guns were never allowed in our house. I guess I

don't see hunting as being any worse than eating meat. You are still

responsible for the animals' death either way. My dad's family was very rural

and they didn't know how to survive without hunting. My dad has since given up

hunting and said that he just can't bear to kill an animal. Mind you he does

still eat meat.

Jacqueline- who was the first vegetarian in my extended family that now boasts

70% vegetarians!!

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drgnldyrcd

Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:47 PM