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I may be just venting here but.... I really CAN NOT

fanthom why my father, who knows that I am vegan....

(though maybe we can say he is ignorant as to what

that really means and why I have made the choice to be

vegan) would ask ME to buy him a BIG SALAMI for

Christmas?!!!!

 

He is THE hardest person I know to buy for... and yet

I strive to make an effort becuase I really do want to

make him happy and believe in really trying to give

from the heart and want to give that one hidden desire

that will lift a persons spirit. But does it have to

be a Salami? And he goes on to explain " those really

big ones, you know, the hard kind not that cotta stuff

or that summer sausage ... YOU know the kind I like. "

he tells me. Yes in past years he has gotten it and

from me ( prior to my enlistment into eating

humanely). But things are not the same.... and I am

the only vegan in the family ( aside from my

children). Did he have to ask ME?

 

Is he testing me, does he sense my " weakness " in

wanting to keep peace and make him happy.

 

It is the ONLY thing he said he wanted. And my anger

at myself for using the word salami setting my self up

for this. All I did was ask him what he wanted he

said " nothing..any thing... don't worry about it. " I

asked " what is there that you would like but won't

buy for yourself? " he replied " I don't know...I don't

know what I want. "

 

here it is the part where I screwed up......but...

before that let me defend myself my saying... that

every year ,since we were young, my siblings and I end

up buying him nuts, candy, salami, or some sort of

food... becuase that is the only thing that you can

garentee that he will use within a year or so, and he

is rarely happy with anything else... if he is even

happy with that...( his diet is limited... by his own

choosing, so a humane substitute will not please him

and would probably actually offed him)

 

But ... I said " you must be tired of nuts and salami

Dad... what do you really want? " his reply " yeah get

me a salami... those really big ones.... " ....etc.

etc...... " YOU know the kind I like. "

 

Please... pray that my head and heart do not blow up

here becuase of the guilt of considering it and of the

guilt the two choices I could make here to try and be

peaceful and try to get him somthing that I know he

would actually enjoy. Whose feelings are most

important here? in this situation.... Anything else

will not make him happy becuase he told me what he

wanted... but... How can I give it to him with a

whole in my heart....

 

Huuuhhhhhmmmmmmm.....

 

 

I love and I have respect for this man , even though

we truely disagree on many things and on so many

levels.

 

 

Anybody have any words of inspiration that might help

me at least feel better about myself in this lose/lose

situation?

 

 

 

Debbie

 

 

 

 

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Can you get him a soy salami? Maybe with a note that tells him how you love

him and will get him anything his heart desires... within your belief

system. Even if you weren't a vegan, you wouldn't get him puppy meat just

because that was a delicacy served to him once in a foreign country and he

wanted to try it again... same idea in my mind...

 

Karen

 

>

> Abitof Mystique [a_bit_of_mystique]

> Friday, November 30, 2001 12:26 AM

>

> Maybe just venting but.....

>

>

>

> I may be just venting here but.... I really CAN NOT

> fanthom why my father, who knows that I am vegan....

> (though maybe we can say he is ignorant as to what

> that really means and why I have made the choice to be

> vegan) would ask ME to buy him a BIG SALAMI for

> Christmas?!!!!

>

> He is THE hardest person I know to buy for... and yet

> I strive to make an effort becuase I really do want to

> make him happy and believe in really trying to give

> from the heart and want to give that one hidden desire

> that will lift a persons spirit. But does it have to

> be a Salami? And he goes on to explain " those really

> big ones, you know, the hard kind not that cotta stuff

> or that summer sausage ... YOU know the kind I like. "

> he tells me. Yes in past years he has gotten it and

> from me ( prior to my enlistment into eating

> humanely). But things are not the same.... and I am

> the only vegan in the family ( aside from my

> children). Did he have to ask ME?

>

> Is he testing me, does he sense my " weakness " in

> wanting to keep peace and make him happy.

>

> It is the ONLY thing he said he wanted. And my anger

> at myself for using the word salami setting my self up

> for this. All I did was ask him what he wanted he

> said " nothing..any thing... don't worry about it. " I

> asked " what is there that you would like but won't

> buy for yourself? " he replied " I don't know...I don't

> know what I want. "

>

> here it is the part where I screwed up......but...

> before that let me defend myself my saying... that

> every year ,since we were young, my siblings and I end

> up buying him nuts, candy, salami, or some sort of

> food... becuase that is the only thing that you can

> garentee that he will use within a year or so, and he

> is rarely happy with anything else... if he is even

> happy with that...( his diet is limited... by his own

> choosing, so a humane substitute will not please him

> and would probably actually offed him)

>

> But ... I said " you must be tired of nuts and salami

> Dad... what do you really want? " his reply " yeah get

> me a salami... those really big ones.... " ....etc.

> etc...... " YOU know the kind I like. "

>

> Please... pray that my head and heart do not blow up

> here becuase of the guilt of considering it and of the

> guilt the two choices I could make here to try and be

> peaceful and try to get him somthing that I know he

> would actually enjoy. Whose feelings are most

> important here? in this situation.... Anything else

> will not make him happy becuase he told me what he

> wanted... but... How can I give it to him with a

> whole in my heart....

>

> Huuuhhhhhmmmmmmm.....

>

>

> I love and I have respect for this man , even though

> we truely disagree on many things and on so many

> levels.

>

>

> Anybody have any words of inspiration that might help

> me at least feel better about myself in this lose/lose

> situation?

>

>

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

> GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month.

> http://geocities./ps/info1

>

>

>

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Hi Debbie,

 

If your dad is like my parents--they never want

anything and they've had years to accumulate tons of

things--he might not be comfortable asking for things.

It's the thought that counts, in any case. I'm sure

he'd understand you are uncomfortable giving him the

sausage...how about the fancy nuts and something like

a coupon book of personal favors (if you're near) or

framed pix of the grandkids? I don't know him of

course, but surely he wouldn't want you to feel guilty

about it.

 

Best wishes,

 

Barbara

 

--- Abitof Mystique <a_bit_of_mystique

wrote: >

> I may be just venting here but.... I really CAN NOT

> fanthom why my father, who knows that I am vegan....

> (though maybe we can say he is ignorant as to what

> that really means and why I have made the choice to

> be

> vegan) would ask ME to buy him a BIG SALAMI for

> Christmas?!!!!

>

> He is THE hardest person I know to buy for... and

> yet

> I strive to make an effort becuase I really do want

> to

> make him happy and believe in really trying to give

> from the heart and want to give that one hidden

> desire

> that will lift a persons spirit. But does it have to

> be a Salami? And he goes on to explain " those really

> big ones, you know, the hard kind not that cotta

> stuff

> or that summer sausage ... YOU know the kind I

> like. "

> he tells me. Yes in past years he has gotten it and

> from me ( prior to my enlistment into eating

> humanely). But things are not the same.... and I am

> the only vegan in the family ( aside from my

> children). Did he have to ask ME?

>

> Is he testing me, does he sense my " weakness " in

> wanting to keep peace and make him happy.

>

> It is the ONLY thing he said he wanted. And my anger

> at myself for using the word salami setting my self

> up

> for this. All I did was ask him what he wanted he

> said " nothing..any thing... don't worry about it. "

> I

> asked " what is there that you would like but won't

> buy for yourself? " he replied " I don't know...I

> don't

> know what I want. "

>

> here it is the part where I screwed up......but...

> before that let me defend myself my saying... that

> every year ,since we were young, my siblings and I

> end

> up buying him nuts, candy, salami, or some sort of

> food... becuase that is the only thing that you can

> garentee that he will use within a year or so, and

> he

> is rarely happy with anything else... if he is even

> happy with that...( his diet is limited... by his

> own

> choosing, so a humane substitute will not please

> him

> and would probably actually offed him)

>

> But ... I said " you must be tired of nuts and

> salami

> Dad... what do you really want? " his reply " yeah

> get

> me a salami... those really big ones.... " ....etc.

> etc...... " YOU know the kind I like. "

>

> Please... pray that my head and heart do not blow up

> here becuase of the guilt of considering it and of

> the

> guilt the two choices I could make here to try and

> be

> peaceful and try to get him somthing that I know he

> would actually enjoy. Whose feelings are most

> important here? in this situation.... Anything else

> will not make him happy becuase he told me what he

> wanted... but... How can I give it to him with a

> whole in my heart....

>

> Huuuhhhhhmmmmmmm.....

>

>

> I love and I have respect for this man , even though

> we truely disagree on many things and on so many

> levels.

>

>

> Anybody have any words of inspiration that might

> help

> me at least feel better about myself in this

> lose/lose

> situation?

>

>

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

> GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting,

> just $8.95/month.

> http://geocities./ps/info1

>

>

 

 

 

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Well now it wouldn't be a surprise if you get him what he asked for!

 

How 'bout you just get him a gift certificate for Hickory Farms or Swiss

Colony? That way he can make the choice himself, and you can have the naive

hope that just maybe he'll choose something other than salami. Or get him

something lasting like a fancy knife and cutting board (for the salami he

buys himself)! He sounds a lot like my grandfather- I usually just give him

clothes or a coffee table book.

 

Goodluck!

Bonnie

 

 

 

-

" Abitof Mystique " <a_bit_of_mystique

 

Friday, November 30, 2001 12:25 AM

Maybe just venting but.....

 

 

>

> I may be just venting here but.... I really CAN NOT

> fanthom why my father, who knows that I am vegan....

> (though maybe we can say he is ignorant as to what

> that really means and why I have made the choice to be

> vegan) would ask ME to buy him a BIG SALAMI for

> Christmas?!!!!

>

> He is THE hardest person I know to buy for... and yet

> I strive to make an effort becuase I really do want to

> make him happy and believe in really trying to give

> from the heart and want to give that one hidden desire

> that will lift a persons spirit. But does it have to

> be a Salami? And he goes on to explain " those really

> big ones, you know, the hard kind not that cotta stuff

> or that summer sausage ... YOU know the kind I like. "

> he tells me. Yes in past years he has gotten it and

> from me ( prior to my enlistment into eating

> humanely). But things are not the same.... and I am

> the only vegan in the family ( aside from my

> children). Did he have to ask ME?

>

> Is he testing me, does he sense my " weakness " in

> wanting to keep peace and make him happy.

>

> It is the ONLY thing he said he wanted. And my anger

> at myself for using the word salami setting my self up

> for this. All I did was ask him what he wanted he

> said " nothing..any thing... don't worry about it. " I

> asked " what is there that you would like but won't

> buy for yourself? " he replied " I don't know...I don't

> know what I want. "

>

> here it is the part where I screwed up......but...

> before that let me defend myself my saying... that

> every year ,since we were young, my siblings and I end

> up buying him nuts, candy, salami, or some sort of

> food... becuase that is the only thing that you can

> garentee that he will use within a year or so, and he

> is rarely happy with anything else... if he is even

> happy with that...( his diet is limited... by his own

> choosing, so a humane substitute will not please him

> and would probably actually offed him)

>

> But ... I said " you must be tired of nuts and salami

> Dad... what do you really want? " his reply " yeah get

> me a salami... those really big ones.... " ....etc.

> etc...... " YOU know the kind I like. "

>

> Please... pray that my head and heart do not blow up

> here becuase of the guilt of considering it and of the

> guilt the two choices I could make here to try and be

> peaceful and try to get him somthing that I know he

> would actually enjoy. Whose feelings are most

> important here? in this situation.... Anything else

> will not make him happy becuase he told me what he

> wanted... but... How can I give it to him with a

> whole in my heart....

>

> Huuuhhhhhmmmmmmm.....

>

>

> I love and I have respect for this man , even though

> we truely disagree on many things and on so many

> levels.

>

>

> Anybody have any words of inspiration that might help

> me at least feel better about myself in this lose/lose

> situation?

>

>

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

> GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month.

> http://geocities./ps/info1

>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.

>

>

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Hmmm....it would seem to me that if one asks a vegetarian to purchase a

salami, then one must be expecting a vegetarian salami. That would be one

way to honor the request without dishonoring your values! I know a company

called Tivall (Kosher, I believe) makes a vegetarian salami. But since I've

never actually looked at it for myself, I'm not sure if it's vegan.

 

I would think that your father would understand if you explained that you

cannot make this purchase because it doesn't fit in with your values. He may

not have considered the fact that your vegetarian ethics extend to the

purchasing of products for others.

 

Best of luck in making your decision, and remember that you don't have to

compromise yourself to make others happy.

 

Robin

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Debbie,

I would just buy your father the biggest assortment of

nuts that you can find and when he opens up the

present tell him you wish it could have been salami

but you are a vegan now and it would have gone against

your beliefs. If he makes noises what can you do? Just

realize you are doing what is right for you and

everyone will not agree w/ you and many of them will

take offense. I've resigned myself to the fact that

some people will never get it and they are allowed to

feel that way no matter how much I would love to bring

them over to my way of thinking.

Good luck and please stick to your guns,

JENNIFER

 

 

 

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