Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 Hi, Everyone My son and I are full vegetarian, my husband is half vegetarian. One of the reason to keep my son Vegetarian is nonviolent. He is OK to not touch the meat, but he like to play violent video game so much. At the beginning, I tried to not purchase any game system for him, anyhow we bought Play Station for him because every kids has at least one game system at the home. Then I try to control the Rates, for example, he couldn't buy Teen games before he is 12 years old, but we failed to do and bought some for him finally due to his many times of discussion with me. He convinces me nicely. His main reasons are 1. Other parents allow the same age kids to buy; 2. He wouldn't kill anybody; 3. It doesn't effect his normal life schedule and homework. 4. Give him enough proof of our ideas. And I didn't have enough evidences to convince him. Now, he is 14 years old and want to buy Mature games, most of them are really violent (person shots person). The last way that I keep the nonviolent rule for him is visiting some web sites to get the enough reasons and proof to stop his bad " Hope " ? playing violent game. Could anyone help us in any way for this, please? I am sorry about my improper English and thank you so much for you time. Sherrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 I feel like this is becoming my personal common rant, but I don't understand why parents feel they need to debate and rationalize their principle positions with their children. One of the reasons that you allow your child to buy video games that you don't approve of is because <1. Other parents allow the same age kids to buy;>. These same parents also feed their kids meat yet you make a point of raising your child vegetarian. You do it, I hope, because you believe it is right and in your childs best interest (excellent criteria for making decisions). Taking principled positions, setting limits and clearly defining consistent boundaries of what is acceptable within your family is what a parent is supposed to do. Sure, when a child asks about or questions a rule they are entitled to an explanation, but it's not a debate and they don't necessarily get to vote. You make decisions based on your beliefs, about what will be acceptable behavior and you enforce rules in your home in hopes of helping them become people who, as adults, will contribute to making society better. I think that being a good parent means that kids don't always get their way and they don't always like you. You make sometimes tough decisions because you're their parent first, not their friend. When they're older (like 40) they'll realize that you were also their friend all along. Okay enough of subjecting you to my rants and run on sentences. Phil Welsher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2001 Report Share Posted December 1, 2001 Hi Sherrie, My children are young, so this response may be naive in relation to dealing with a 12 year old, but here it goes. When my children have requested toys such as Barbies or toy guns, I explain to them that these toys are unacceptable in our household because they represent values that are very different from ours, and a belief system that we think is harmful to people and environment. In regard to anything violent, I would say that even though your son is smart and strong enough not to be influenced by the game to commit a violent act, many kids his age are not. By purchasing that product, the consumer is supporting an industry that influences others to commit violent acts and thereby contributes to a more violent society. Maybe you can justify not making the purchase on those grounds? I am not sure where to find the research, but I know that research has been done linking violent TV and video games to violent behavior. I believe chiefly what the research has found is that repeated exposure to these types of shows/games increases an individual's tolerance for violent behavior, thereby contributing to a more violent society. Hope this helps! Anne mom to Samantha (5 1/2) Jacob (4) Mikal (2 1/2) Hanna (1) swang Fri, 30 Nov 2001 08:08:59 -0500 Violent Game Message-ID: <OF5EFEB234.91EC2F3B-ON85256B14.0044D6D4 Hi, Everyone My son and I are full vegetarian, my husband is half vegetarian. One of the reason to keep my son Vegetarian is nonviolent. He is OK to not touch the meat, but he like to play violent video game so much. At the beginning, I tried to not purchase any game system for him, anyhow we bought Play Station for him because every kids has at least one game system at the home. Then I try to control the Rates, for example, he couldn't buy Teen games before he is 12 years old, but we failed to do and bought some for him finally due to his many times of discussion with me. He convinces me nicely. His main reasons are 1. Other parents allow the same age kids to buy; 2. He wouldn't kill anybody; 3. It doesn't effect his normal life schedule and homework. 4. Give him enough proof of our ideas. And I didn't have enough evidences to convince him. Now, he is 14 years old and want to buy Mature games, most of them are really violent (person shots person). The last way that I keep the nonviolent rule for him is visiting some web sites to get the enough reasons and proof to stop his bad " Hope " ? playing violent game. Could anyone help us in any way for this, please? I am sorry about my improper English and thank you so much for you time. Sherrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2001 Report Share Posted December 3, 2001 good for you phil - wonderful answer - it's important to reread messages like phil's periodically during the child-rearing years. it's SO much better and more loving to make firm value-based choices for our children than to allow them to become victims of our consumerist, tv-watching, and ultimately empty, depression-inducing society. it's our toughest job as parents, but I think the best way of all to express our love. PhilLand wrote: > I feel like this is becoming my personal common rant, but I don't understand > why parents feel they need to debate and rationalize their principle > positions with their children. > > One of the reasons that you allow your child to buy video games that you > don't approve of is because <1. Other parents allow the same age kids to > buy;>. These same parents also feed their kids meat yet you make a point of > raising your child vegetarian. You do it, I hope, because you believe it is > right and in your childs best interest (excellent criteria for making > decisions). > > Taking principled positions, setting limits and clearly defining consistent > boundaries of what is acceptable within your family is what a parent is > supposed to do. Sure, when a child asks about or questions a rule they are > entitled to an explanation, but it's not a debate and they don't necessarily > get to vote. > > You make decisions based on your beliefs, about what will be acceptable > behavior and you enforce rules in your home in hopes of helping them become > people who, as adults, will contribute to making society better. > > I think that being a good parent means that kids don't always get their way > and they don't always like you. You make sometimes tough decisions because > you're their parent first, not their friend. When they're older (like 40) > they'll realize that you were also their friend all along. > > Okay enough of subjecting you to my rants and run on sentences. > > Phil Welsher > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2001 Report Share Posted December 4, 2001 Why should a kid playing with a violent videogame or with a toy weapon be more likely to become a violent character - when we well know than a child who loves Bob the Builder will very unlikely operate a crane as a grownup, or that a fan of Angelina Ballerina will almost never become a dancing mouse (or even a dancer)? Why, on the other hand, the parent's denial would not teach the youngsters that imposing our will on a weaker party is possible, and in certain cases, morally righteous? Explain me. Daniela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Ok, I held myself long enough on this. Daniela, I don't get your point. Parents are supposed to be a guide and sometimes that means imposing a decision on their children. As long as this doesn't harm them as individuals, I believe it to be right and part of a duty of a parent. I personally don't like violent games. I don't see why it would be ok for anyone to play killing people, especially with a war going on and people actually dying right now as we discuss this topic. I think it's shallow and immature and selfish. More, I think it's immoral and disrespectful of the people who are actually suffering for real war and real shootings. I don't think it's fun to play with people's life or even pretend to. And I think it's bad taste to find fun in such activities. Moreover, the main point is that the fact that a lot of people do something, doesn't make it right. A lot of young people smoke marijuana, does that make it ok to you? A lot of people beat their children, is that enough of a reason to make it normal or ok? I don't think so. I find the " everybody else does it " sentence very obnoxious. A person who believe he's behaving correctly doesn't need to show how many people behave like him, he can offer better reasons for his actions and beliefs. That said, no, I don't think you should let your son play violent games. If you want to teach him right from wrong and you know it is wrong, then don't buy them for him and don't allow them in the house. That is it from me. Hugs, " My darling girl, when are you going to understand that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage! " Aunt Frances in Practical Magic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 Repeated viewing of violence desensitizes the child to violence in general. It doesn't necessarily mean the child will become violent. A child who learns from Bob about what builders do, or learns from Angelina what ballet is, develops an early understanding and appreciation for these actions. The parent's denial teaches that parents have a responsibility to love and care for their children. Are you suggesting that parents should have no rules for their children because that would be 'imposing our will on a weaker party', or that children be allowed to break school rules, the law, etc. so as not to be imposed upon? I'm sorry if this sounds disrespectful, but I find that quite absurd! Bonnie - <daniela_daniela Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:43 PM Re: Violent Game > Why should a kid playing with a violent videogame or with a toy > weapon be more likely to become a violent character - when we well > know than a child who loves Bob the Builder will very unlikely > operate a crane as a grownup, or that a fan of Angelina Ballerina > will almost never become a dancing mouse (or even a dancer)? > > Why, on the other hand, the parent's denial would not teach the > youngsters that imposing our will on a weaker party is possible, and > in certain cases, morally righteous? > > Explain me. > > Daniela > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2001 Report Share Posted December 5, 2001 In a message dated 12/5/01 8:27:51 AM, daniela_daniela writes: << Why should a kid playing with a violent videogame or with a toy weapon be more likely to become a violent character >> Speaking strictly for myself, Daniela, I don't happen to believe that toy weapons will make someone more likely to become a violent character. Actually I believe that children often play games of cops and robbers or even war as part of a learning process. They can become little morality plays that kids create and act out and through them come to grips with concepts of good and bad, right and wrong. Video games I do have different feelings about. The characters in them are often not well defined as good and bad or right and wrong (as they always seem to be in kids make believe). The killing frequently has no goal other than to kill and the graphic nature can be desensitizing. The bottomline though is that it is my home, I am the parent and if I don't want in my home it will not be here. You also wrote: << Why, on the other hand, the parent's denial would not teach the youngsters that imposing our will on a weaker party is possible, and in certain cases, morally righteous? >> Imposing our will on weaker parties is possible and it is in certain cases morally right. You would only be teaching the child the truth. When you insist on putting clothes on your child before they go outside you impose your will. When you insist that they go to school you impose your will. If you don't supply them with a menu and expect them to eat what you have made for the rest of the family you impose your will. When you do anything to socialize them to live within a group instead of having them grow up as wild animals, you impose your will. You impose your will because it is morally righteous to do so as a parent. You do it with love and concern for raising a child who will be a valued member of society. With luck your child will grow up to learn to impose his/her will to try to help someone be a better person or the world to be a better place too. I'm all preached out now. Phil Welsher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 Sherrie, If you don't want your son to play violent video games at home you should stick to your priciples. I'm sure it's very difficult when your son sounds so determined to play these games. His first reason " 1. That other parents allow the same age kids to play them " is not a good reason. The classic reply to this is " if other parents let their kids jump off a tall building, should I let you do it too? " As for being able to convince him that he shouldn't want to play these games. I'm not sure you can do this. I have a similar problem with my husband who plays these violent games. I often discuss the violence with him and try to influence him to choose less violent more peaceful, constructive games but it seems like the gaming industry really promotes these games and makes them more interesting than non-violent ones. Plus, he is an adult and makes his own choices. I'm not sure if anyone can suggest some non-violent games that might appeal to your son as an alternative? I don't play many myself but I have played " Myst " which was more of a discovery/problem solving game that has good graphics & story line. (*Note: in retrospect it did have a shooting at the beginning as part of the set up for the story line but the player does not commmit the act, you are a witness to the murder and have to figure out the mystery.) I also liked " Sim City/Sim Isle/The Sims " games. Or maybe racing games or sports games would appeal to him? Better yet...maybe you can try to get him to do something instead of video games that would be more constructive and engaging. I've already been thinking about how to raise my infant son to be wary of spending too much time in front of computers and T.V. Both are addictive media...and I know gaming can really suck people's lives away if you're not careful. Good Luck. I'd love to know if you find something that works for you both, Melanie. > > swang [swang] > Friday, November 30, 2001 5:09 AM > > Violent Game > > > > Hi, Everyone > My son and I are full vegetarian, my husband is half vegetarian. > One of the > reason to keep my son Vegetarian is nonviolent. He is OK to not touch the > meat, but he like to play violent video game so much. > At the beginning, I tried to not purchase any game system for him, anyhow > we bought Play Station for him because every kids has at least one game > system at the home. Then I try to control the Rates, for example, he > couldn't buy Teen games before he is 12 years old, but we failed to do and > bought some for him finally due to his many times of discussion > with me. He > convinces me nicely. His main reasons are 1. Other parents allow the same > age kids to buy; 2. He wouldn't kill anybody; 3. It doesn't effect his > normal life schedule and homework. 4. Give him enough proof of our ideas. > And I didn't have enough evidences to convince him. > Now, he is 14 years old and want to buy Mature games, most of them are > really violent (person shots person). The last way that I keep the > nonviolent rule for him is visiting some web sites to get the enough > reasons and proof to stop his bad " Hope " ? playing violent game. > Could anyone help us in any way for this, please? I am sorry about my > improper English and thank you so much for you time. > > Sherrie > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG > website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful > for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2001 Report Share Posted December 7, 2001 I'm sorry this is probably going off topic, but I just had to respond to this thread. First, I respect everyone's opinion and I believe I am trying to understand all the viewpoints. From my understanding of most of the posts I strongly disagree. I do not want to change anyone's mind, I just would like to state my viewpoint as well. I personally think this is just the kind of discussion needed on a veg parenting list. I hope we hear from lots of people on this issue. My view... Morals are very personal things. I believe that any killing for any reason is morally objectionable, but clearly 90% or more US citizens (if you can believe polls) believe otherwise. I don't believe forcing my views on anyone will help create a more 'moral' or peaceful society. I believe we all have to figure out what is right for us and how to live in peace with ourselves and our decisions. The fact that some people are calling other peoples views 'absurd' on a veg list really speaks to me. It says we have a lot of dialog to do before we can be completely compassionate and peaceful with each other. A person posts a question or ask for feedback and we all should feel free to give our feedback honestly. I suppose at times our feedback may be absurd to others just as vegetarianism is absurd to some meateaters. It is nice that we can all be open with our feelings, but I did feel Daniela was sort of jumped on for her thoughts on the subject. Anyway, the way I would deal with such a situation...of course my ds is 22 months, but I've had to deal with other issues such as TV or no TV, movies or no movies, etc. The way we deal with TV, candy, alcohol, etc. is all the same. I believe modeling is a very important aspect of parenting. In my view it is the most important and will speak to our children (and others around us) more than anything we might say or any rules we put down. If I don't want my son watching TV...my husband and I don't watch TV or don't have a TV. If I don't want my son eating junk food, we don't eat it and don't have it in the house. It isn't so much that I'm trying to 'mold' my son (don't believe in that), I just think 'Do I want TV in my life due to the violence, commercialism, etc.' I answered no and acted on it. We did the same thing with the video games. The majority of the video games on the market are violent and dh and I used to play them long before a child was in our minds. We decided the video games weren't much good for us so we gave it away. Of course ther are games for the computer and we still obviously have a computer. I would say I would then trust my son. If I really didn't like the video game I might suggest he pay for it himself because I don't want to waste my money on it. If it was a case of his wanting meat then I would say I don't have meat/dairy/eggs/honey/wool/leather/etc. in the house, but if he wants to buy it himself and eat/use it outside of the house then fine. I guess I view children as their own people and I have already learned much from my son and look forward to learning more and more. I appreciate my parents not enforcing their morals on me when I was a child/teenager. If they had I would have been forced to eat mammals when I was 13 years old. My parents did not agree with this choice I made, but they respected me and later they even understood. They now see the moral and ethical reasons for being veg and they eat vegetarian 98% of the time. I can't wait for the day when my ds opens my eyes to yet another way I could be more compassionate in my life...in some ways he already has. I would hate to postpone that by thinking I know all the answers and have moral superiority. I guess in the end I feel the best thing I can do for my son is to continue to learn and grow and examine my own morality. I work daily at being at peace with my veganism and I try to grow more and more compassionate (it is a wonderful journey that is neverending). My ds with use me as soil and bloom into something that I have not ever dreamed of. What a beautiful life! Live the world you envision, Linda PS Thanks to all of you for helping me in my journey. Too bad we can't all get together and talk in person. Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 While it may be true that violent psychopaths play video games or watch violent movies, games and movies don't cause people to be psychopaths. Most people are not psychopaths, and games won't change their nature. Even so, I don't let my 8 year old boy play games where people get hurt or killed. I let him play games with cartoon characters like Sonic the Hedgehog, racing, or action games where the targets are robots, not people. There are plenty of options without going to games that show blood. -- Be kind. Be of good cheer. Dick Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Even though I don't want to hear me anymore myself, I feel I just have to respond to Linda. This particular subject is something I can't seem to leave alone. You paint this picture in your comments of an egalitarian family where everyone is equal. While this is certainly a beautiful concept, at what point does the responsibility of having a child and the duties of parenting come into play? People talk of not imposing their view points or their own morality on their children, but I don't see how this is possible. Most children are excited to start school and go anxiously, at some point it's no longer fun and they don't want to go. Do you let them be their own person by dropping out in sixth grade? When homework is no longer fun do you let them not do it because you would be imposing your standards of right and wrong on them by insisting it get done? If they are rude to an elder or teacher, will you not tell them that their behavior is not acceptable because they need to find the social standards that are right for them? I, undoubtedly, have a different perspective on this than you do. I no longer have anything resembling a 22 month old around. My daughter is 18 years old and has chosen to remain a life long vegetarian, she has grown into a compassionate and caring young woman for which, I am honored to say, she has told me I have no one to blame but myself. My son is 12 years old and we still have a wait and see attitude about this one, but I know a little about the harsh realities of adolescence that I am facing with him. He too is still a life long vegetarian. When my daughter and son each started kindergarten we had a talk about " lunch " they were told what my expectations and preferences were, but that they would be away from home, their parents would not be there, and they would have to make decisions about their behavior and what they would eat. It was also made clear that in side this home the rules were set. What bothers me so much I suppose is that I look around at kids and it seems so clear to me that kids live up to the expectations placed on them. I see so many kids with little or no expectations placed on them and I see them living up to them too. Without someone to have expectations of kids they often find no reason to strive, to stretch themselves and attain their potential. Just one last thing, I promise. I don't believe that figuring out what is right for us and how to live in peace with ourselves and our decisions is enough or, I guess, even a proper goal to be honest. It's selfish. We don't live within ourselves alone, we live in a society and it is everyones responsibility to take part in shaping the directions that society will take. Society reflects the attitudes, morals and standards of the people within it, we must accept that we are, each one of us, the only ones who can change things. There is a Jewish concept called " Tikun Olam " it literally translates to " Perfecting the World " . It means that it is encumbent on each of us to look beyond ourselves and realize that things only get better in society and in the world at large if we put out the effort to make them so. This time I am totally done, I'm not saying anymore. I think this is the most I've ever said anyway. For those of you who have actually read all the way to the bottom of this, thanks for showing such fortitude or possibly your an insomniac in search of a cure, if so I hope this helped. Phil Welsher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Linda, I really appreciated your response to this thread. I thought many of the same thoughts you added in but did not respond. I am glad you did... and I belive you did so in such a respectful, kind, and professional way that I personally feel that even the few things you said that I don't personally agree with, made me think. Isn't that what learning and growing is all about? Debbie Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 I couldn't agree more, Phil! Bonnie B - <PhilLand Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:53 PM Re: Re: Violent Game > Even though I don't want to hear me anymore myself, I feel I just have to > respond to Linda. This particular subject is something I can't seem to leave > alone. > > You paint this picture in your comments of an egalitarian family where > everyone is equal. While this is certainly a beautiful concept, at what > point does the responsibility of having a child and the duties of parenting > come into play? > > People talk of not imposing their view points or their own morality on their > children, but I don't see how this is possible. Most children are excited to > start school and go anxiously, at some point it's no longer fun and they > don't want to go. Do you let them be their own person by dropping out in > sixth grade? When homework is no longer fun do you let them not do it > because you would be imposing your standards of right and wrong on them by > insisting it get done? If they are rude to an elder or teacher, will you not > tell them that their behavior is not acceptable because they need to find the > social standards that are right for them? > > I, undoubtedly, have a different perspective on this than you do. I no > longer have anything resembling a 22 month old around. My daughter is 18 > years old and has chosen to remain a life long vegetarian, she has grown into > a compassionate and caring young woman for which, I am honored to say, she > has told me I have no one to blame but myself. My son is 12 years old and we > still have a wait and see attitude about this one, but I know a little about > the harsh realities of adolescence that I am facing with him. He too is > still a life long vegetarian. > > When my daughter and son each started kindergarten we had a talk about > " lunch " they were told what my expectations and preferences were, but that > they would be away from home, their parents would not be there, and they > would have to make decisions about their behavior and what they would eat. > It was also made clear that in side this home the rules were set. > > What bothers me so much I suppose is that I look around at kids and it seems > so clear to me that kids live up to the expectations placed on them. I see > so many kids with little or no expectations placed on them and I see them > living up to them too. Without someone to have expectations of kids they > often find no reason to strive, to stretch themselves and attain their > potential. > > Just one last thing, I promise. I don't believe that figuring out what is > right for us and how to live in peace with ourselves and our decisions is > enough or, I guess, even a proper goal to be honest. It's selfish. We don't > live within ourselves alone, we live in a society and it is everyones > responsibility to take part in shaping the directions that society will take. > Society reflects the attitudes, morals and standards of the people within > it, we must accept that we are, each one of us, the only ones who can change > things. There is a Jewish concept called " Tikun Olam " it literally > translates to " Perfecting the World " . It means that it is encumbent on each > of us to look beyond ourselves and realize that things only get better in > society and in the world at large if we put out the effort to make them so. > > This time I am totally done, I'm not saying anymore. I think this is the > most I've ever said anyway. > > For those of you who have actually read all the way to the bottom of this, > thanks for showing such fortitude or possibly your an insomniac in search of > a cure, if so I hope this helped. > > Phil Welsher > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Karen, Phil Welsher, Bradley Miller, Anne, Daniela, Elisa, Bonnie, Melanie, Linda, Debbie, Dick Ford and everyone, Thank you so much for all of your help, suggestions, discussions, commands, and questions to bring up to the Topic " Violent Game " . My problem was solved through you efforts - my son gives up to purchase very violent video game after I told him all of your true responses, both ideas supporting to me and the same opinion as him. The reason for this change from him is: before he saw most kids around him can buy any violent game, but he is not allowed. So his mom is in the small party. However now, most VRG parents don't like violent game (from the most topics shown up in daily VRG e-mail), he changed his mind and thought his mom is in the main party. That was my teenager's logical. I think the parents are the 1st teacher and example to children. We will influence them a lot. Anyway, while parents are going to work, teenagers have plenty time to stay at home to play video game. The more time they play the violent games, the more influence they will receive. No matter what the result it will be, they will be affected either more or less. After they grow up, they will copy that violent thought invisibly more or less because " student " will learn some from " teacher ? violent game or anything else " more or less actually. I hope my English can explain clear to you. Thanks again! Sherrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Phil, I'm assuming you don't really want me to answer the questions in your email...if you do want to hear my answers I'll be more than happy to explain myself further. It sounds like you really feel comfortable with your parenting style and it works well for you and your family. I am a firm believer that there is no one 'right' way to parent and I love to hear what other people are doing. That is another nice thing about these email groups...you get to hear from people who don't always agree with your own perspectives and we can all share our stories. Thanks for sharing and I never tire of hearing about others so please don't be silent if you have something to say! Linda Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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