Jenna...tell your parents

[Guest guest]

Dear Jenna;

tell your parents that meat is not a good source of protein. Infact

zuchini has more protein than a steak. Tell them that vegetarians have the

lowest rate of cancer,

and heart diease. It is a wonderful thing that you have decided to keep

yourself healthy. My son is 15 and he feels odd about being a vegetarian.

However his health has improved since his transition. He used to have asthma

and frequent visits to the hospitals .No more

Since making a switch to lots of fresh raw vegetables and fruits he has not

visited the

hospital. Jenna you too must be carefull you must take B12 as a supplement.

A vegetarian diet will not supply B12. You must eat vegetable and fruit

....Not only french fries. Fruit smoothies will be a great treat.

Perhaps you can convince your Mom to have one meatless meal a week for the

family.

Best Wishes

Lynda

[Guest guest]

<Infact

zuchini has more protein than a steak.>

 

This made me curious, and it's something I'd like to tell my mom next time she

gives me a hard time because of not eating meat and the omnipresent " where do

you get your protein? " , LOL

 

Can you give me a reference to support this statement? I'd like to make it one

of my staple answers, LOL

 

Hugs,

 

" My darling girl, when are you going to understand

that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue.

It rather denotes a lack of courage! "

 

Aunt Frances in Practical Magic

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 Namaska7 wrote:

 

> Jenna you too must be carefull you must take B12 as a supplement.

> A vegetarian diet will not supply B12.

 

Just a small correction -- a *vegan* diet does not supply B12, but a

lacto-ovo vegetarian diet does. Eggs and dairy products both supply

significant amounts of B12.

 

----

Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia

 

The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered

three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the

purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each

nonexisted in an entirely different way ...

-- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad "

[Guest guest]

> Just a small correction -- a *vegan* diet does not supply B12, but a

> lacto-ovo vegetarian diet does. Eggs and dairy products both supply

> significant amounts of B12.

 

B12 is found in tempeh and Nutritional yeast. So, you can find some B12 in a

vegan diet.

If you want to be on the safe side, sublingual B12 is a good way to get it.

Peace,

Laura

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

<Just a small correction -- a *vegan* diet does not supply B12, but a

lacto-ovo vegetarian diet does. Eggs and dairy products both supply

significant amounts of B12.>

 

So how about those of us who only occasionally eat dairy or eggs? Should we

supplement?

 

I almost never eat eggs because I don't really like them, I don't drink milk

because I never liked it and I don't often eat cheese because it's so fattening

and so addicting!

 

I have been supplementing with B12, that's ok right?

 

Hugs,

 

" My darling girl, when are you going to understand

that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue.

It rather denotes a lack of courage! "

 

Aunt Frances in Practical Magic

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Perhaps it does if you compare the same number of calories, but you'd need

to eat an obscene amount of zucchini to equal the calories in a steak.

There are lots of good things to say about being vegetarian, but this one is

pretty silly.

 

Sandra

 

> <Infact

> zuchini has more protein than a steak.>

>

> This made me curious, and it's something I'd like to tell my mom next time

she gives me a hard time because of not eating meat and the omnipresent

" where do you get your protein? " , LOL

>

> Can you give me a reference to support this statement? I'd like to make it

one of my staple answers, LOL

>

> Hugs,

>

> " My darling girl, when are you going to understand

> that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue.

> It rather denotes a lack of courage! "

>

> Aunt Frances in Practical Magic

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> <Infact

> zuchini has more protein than a steak.>

>

> This made me curious, and it's something I'd like to tell my

> mom next time she gives me a hard time because of not eating

> meat and the omnipresent " where do you get your protein? " , LOL

>

> Can you give me a reference to support this statement? I'd

> like to make it one of my staple answers, LOL

 

I'm not sure about zuccini, but take broccoli....it has about 44.8% protein.

A Sirloin Steak is only about 21.6% protein. Since there is no carbs in

Steak that means that about 79% of it is fat! All green vegetables

(including zuccini) have much more protein per calorie than animal flesh.

 

Now we are talking about calories here, not portion size. If you eat X

amount of calories of broccoli, vs X amount of calories from Steak, you are

going to eat twice as much protein. Also tell your mom, there is no

phytochemicals in steak, no fiber, no antioxidants, no Vit C, no Vit E. and

that there is saturated fat, cholesterol, arachadonic acid, etc, etc.......

Then do give the steak Some credit. Tell her that there is some calcium,

iron, magnesium, potassium, zinc, and some B vitamins. But then tell her

that for every one of those vitamins and minerals, there is about 2-3 times

as much in broccoli (except B12). If she thinks that's stupid to compare

per calorie, then ask her how many calories she eats and tell her you eat

about the same. It doesn't take a scientist to figure out who is getting

more nutrients! Animal foods are calorie rich and nutrient deficient,

period.

 

The mathematics don't lie. If one gets a good portion of his/her calories

from green vegetables, then one is going to get tons of nutrients! The key

is eating a good sized amount each day. Unfortunetely most don't. I had a

physician tell me to eat 1 pound of steamed greens every day and about 1

pound of salad (with focus on romaine lettuce) every day. After 6 weeks of

doing that....WOW could I feel the difference! I could not get tired at the

gym!

 

Shelly

 

P.S. You can go to http://www.nat.uiuc.edu/mainnat.html and do an analysis

to check the actual numbers. Remember you get 4 calories for every gram of

protein or carb. And 9 calories for every gram of fat.

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, ~*~*Elisa*~*~ wrote:

 

> <Just a small correction -- a *vegan* diet does not supply B12, but a

> lacto-ovo vegetarian diet does. Eggs and dairy products both supply

> significant amounts of B12.>

>

> So how about those of us who only occasionally eat dairy or eggs? Should we

supplement?

>

> I almost never eat eggs because I don't really like them, I don't

> drink milk because I never liked it and I don't often eat cheese

> because it's so fattening and so addicting!

>

> I have been supplementing with B12, that's ok right?

 

You can't overdose on B12 as far as I know, so taking supplements

shouldn't hurt and might help. Whether you *need* them would depend, I

suppose, on how occasional " occasionally " is. I can't answer that since I

don't know the specifics of your diet (and I'm not a nutritionist anyway,

so take all this with a grain of salt).

 

----

Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia

 

The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered

three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the

purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each

nonexisted in an entirely different way ...

-- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad "

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 VAP79 wrote:

 

>

>

> > Just a small correction -- a *vegan* diet does not supply B12, but a

> > lacto-ovo vegetarian diet does. Eggs and dairy products both supply

> > significant amounts of B12.

>

> B12 is found in tempeh and Nutritional yeast. So, you can find some B12 in a

> vegan diet.

> If you want to be on the safe side, sublingual B12 is a good way to get it.

 

VRG's fact sheet on B12 indicates that tempeh is not a reliable source of

B12. <http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm> I recommend reading it for

anyone with questions about getting enough B12.

 

----

Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia

 

The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered

three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the

purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each

nonexisted in an entirely different way ...

-- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad "

[Guest guest]

Supplementing with B12 shouldn't 'hurt' you (except

maybe your pocketbook). You really need a very small

amount, but there are very important absorbtion issues

too. Even meat-eaters have been shown in some studies

to absorb small amounts of the B12 they take in. I

would suggest you take a look at the Vegan Outreach

website or contact them directly. They put togeter a

well documented article on B12 several months ago. I

would highly suggest anyone pregnant or nursing to

take a B12 supplement (or eat sources with B12 daily

like Red Star nutritional yeast or soymilk with

B12)since studies have not concluded that the fetus

will take from the mother's own stores...they may only

get what the mother injests during pregnancy or

lactation. B12 problems are rare, but from my

understanding irreversable.

 

There is a lot of misinformation/out-dated information

out there so it is best to do your own research.

Chances are you doctors (even some nutritionists) may

not have current information or know much about B12.

I would also check with VRG and PCRM...good sources

for accurate up-to-date info.

 

Linda

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> Perhaps it does if you compare the same number of calories,

> but you'd need

> to eat an obscene amount of zucchini to equal the calories in a steak.

> There are lots of good things to say about being vegetarian,

> but this one is

> pretty silly.

>

> Sandra

 

You're right about the comparison between zuccini and steak being on a 'per

calorie' basis. I don't think it's a silly comparison, though. Of course,

if you take a cup of steak and compare it to a cup of zuccini, there is

definetely more grams of protein in the cup of steak. We (americans) are so

used to thinking these terms....the weight or the portion size of the food.

It is how we are programmed to think, when we buy milk for instance. 2%

milk is not 2% fat, it is 35% fat! 35% of the calories are from fat. Who

cares if it's 2% by weight. I could add water and make it .00001% fat by

weight, but it is still 35% fat by calories. Americans are confused people.

It is the caloric content of the food that turns on or off our appetite, not

the weight or portion size of the food. But more importantly and what most

people don't understand....it is the nutrient density and fiber content of a

food that turns on or off our appetite. Why is this important? Because

overweight and obesity is a major problem. And we suffer (even vegans) from

diseases and poor health in general. Anyway....

 

So these three things affect our appetites:

 

1) The calories in the food

2) The nutrient density of the food (the more vit/minerals for each calorie

in the food, the more our appetites are satisfied)

3) The fiber content of the food

 

Number 3 has a positive effect on our health. But number 2 has an extremely

powerful effect at determining our health in general and is the key to

weight loss and maintaining optimal weight.

 

So here is my point (finally!

 

Which food is better to rely on your protein for? Green vegetables (or other

natural plant foods) or a piece of steak?

 

Lets see, if you pick say zuccini to eat, you'll be getting:

 

1) lots of fiber,

2) lots of vitamins and minerals for each calorie your body must metabolize

3) Low amount of calories

 

The fiber and nutrient density will have a pretty strong effect on turning

down your appetite. The low calories will cause you to want to eat more

zuccini. This in turn is a good thing, because more zuccini will yield more

fiber and more vit/minerals per calorie. The result:

 

Slimer you and healthier you! The opposite effect will happen with the

steak. Yep, your appetite will be increased because the body will sense the

lack of fiber and the lack of nutrient density. Of course know one is going

to eat just zuccini or just steak, but the principle and the point is still

the same with a varied diet.

 

You have to eat more zuccini (or any green vegetable) to get a significant

amount of protein, but it is not neccessarily an " obscene " amount. Eating

one pound of steamed zuccini a day and eating say 1/2 pound of raw leafy

green is not that difficult. I know I've done it (I'm a small person--slim

and petite). I use a blender and I use a food processor to make this happen

very quickly and easily. As long as my caloric needs are met in the day, my

protein needs are met *just* by the greens only.

Vegans/vegetarians/omnivores all don't eat enough vegetables (especially not

enough greens).

 

Sorry if that was all long winded. But if one did tell their mom that

zuccini has more protein than steak, she/he has a very good case for his or

herself if they are eating a good-sized portion of greens and beans. Beans

by the way, are the next most nutrient dense food after leafy greens and

solid greens. This all key to our health. weightloss if need be, and

maintaining optimal weight.

 

Did that make sense?

[Guest guest]

Thanks, that was very helpful. I started taking it because I have talassemia

minor and tend to be anemic and I read somewhere that taking B12 if my intake of

animal products is not very high could help.

 

Hugs,

 

" My darling girl, when are you going to understand

that being normal isn't necessarily a virtue.

It rather denotes a lack of courage! "

 

Aunt Frances in Practical Magic