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I am really enjoying the discussion of children's books. I have two small

children, and I am currently taking a children's literature course as part of my

masters in library science, so it's given me some issues to think about. I had

several thoughts.

 

1. Veggie Tales - I have avoided them because we are not religious. My MIL

gave my daughter a Veggie Tales tape, but we haven't passed it on to her. I'll

listen to it first.

 

2. Animals given human qualities - this is an interesting subject. To be

honest, it has never bothered me. In fact, to play the devil's advocate, let me

say that I think it can be a good thing. Children may be more likely to

identify with animals if they see them doing things like they do and having

similar feelings. At some point, children will realize that bears do not wear

glasses and suits (at least not willingly). Also, what about a book like

Charlotte's Web? The animals talk and have human qualities, but it is a

wonderful story. The family does eat meat though.

 

3. What I object to are all the farm animal books for kids. They make the farm

look like paradise. Heck, I'd like to live there too if all I had to do was

frolic all day. They don't show the reality and, of course, don't let children

know that that the little pink piggy is going to be pork chops. I always

threaten to write my own children's book called something like " Petey Pig Takes

a Ride, " in which the cute little piggy is all excited about his ride on the big

truck, but ends up at the slaughter house. It is interesting to me how our

society instills a love of animals in children through books, but then dupes

them into thinking that eating meat isn't really eating their friends. Give me

a break.

 

When we see meat in books, I tell my daughter what it really is - see those

hotdogs, those are made from cows and pigs. She's starting to say that she

doesn't eat cow, pig, etc., because they are her friends. Her daycare provider

said that my daughter is very aware that she doesn't eat meat and if her friends

offer it to her she says no. (The teacher also steps in to be sure she doesn't

get any.)

 

Karen

 

 

 

 

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I haven't seen anyone mention Curious George yet. The premise of the story

is that George was taken out of the jungle by the man with the yellow hat.

At first he's unhappy and misses his family and friends, but then he becomes

happy again when he's taken to live at the zoo " with his friends " . In a

later book, the man with the yellow hat wants to have a birthday party for

George to celebrate the day that the man in the yellow hat took George home

to live with him! In other words, the author acknowledges that animals have

feelings (they're sad when you take them away from their family and friends)

but it's Ok because they're better off in the zoo or living among humans

and concrete. And maybe another message is that animals and children are

the same and they both need adult humans to tell them what to do and control

their lives for them. Some children's books that portray animals with human

traits do attempt to instill compassion and respect but I don't think

Curious George does this - it's only message is that George is either being

" good " (behaving himself) or " bad " (curious).

 

Susan

 

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Karen Detling <kdetling

 

Saturday, February 16, 2002 3:56 PM

Children's Books

 

 

> I am really enjoying the discussion of children's books. I have two small

children, and I am currently taking a children's literature course as part

of my masters in library science, so it's given me some issues to think

about. I had several thoughts.

>

> 1. Veggie Tales - I have avoided them because we are not religious. My

MIL gave my daughter a Veggie Tales tape, but we haven't passed it on to

her. I'll listen to it first.

>

> 2. Animals given human qualities - this is an interesting subject. To be

honest, it has never bothered me. In fact, to play the devil's advocate,

let me say that I think it can be a good thing. Children may be more likely

to identify with animals if they see them doing things like they do and

having similar feelings. At some point, children will realize that bears do

not wear glasses and suits (at least not willingly). Also, what about a

book like Charlotte's Web? The animals talk and have human qualities, but

it is a wonderful story. The family does eat meat though.

>

> 3. What I object to are all the farm animal books for kids. They make

the farm look like paradise. Heck, I'd like to live there too if all I had

to do was frolic all day. They don't show the reality and, of course, don't

let children know that that the little pink piggy is going to be pork chops.

I always threaten to write my own children's book called something like

" Petey Pig Takes a Ride, " in which the cute little piggy is all excited

about his ride on the big truck, but ends up at the slaughter house. It is

interesting to me how our society instills a love of animals in children

through books, but then dupes them into thinking that eating meat isn't

really eating their friends. Give me a break.

>

> When we see meat in books, I tell my daughter what it really is - see

those hotdogs, those are made from cows and pigs. She's starting to say that

she doesn't eat cow, pig, etc., because they are her friends. Her daycare

provider said that my daughter is very aware that she doesn't eat meat and

if her friends offer it to her she says no. (The teacher also steps in to

be sure she doesn't get any.)

>

> Karen

>

>

>

>

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You know - I never thought of Curious George that way. I loved

Curious George books as a child and was thinking of getting some for

my dd. But now I think I won't. I have run into that problem other

times. Things I remembered loving as a child and then I went to get

them for my dd and I was like - " this is horrible! " I bought her

some children's folk music CDs (Burl Ives, Pete Seeger) that I

listened to as a kid and half the songs are about hunting and eating

animals. I totally didn't realize that until I listened to them with

her and after several rounds started picking up on what the songs

were about.

 

Rachael

 

 

, " Susan & Jed Civic " <civics@s...> wrote:

> I haven't seen anyone mention Curious George yet. The premise of

the story

> is that George was taken out of the jungle by the man with the

yellow hat.

> At first he's unhappy and misses his family and friends, but then

he becomes

> happy again when he's taken to live at the zoo " with his friends " .

In a

> later book, the man with the yellow hat wants to have a birthday

party for

> George to celebrate the day that the man in the yellow hat took

George home

> to live with him! In other words, the author acknowledges that

animals have

> feelings (they're sad when you take them away from their family and

friends)

> but it's Ok because they're better off in the zoo or living among

humans

> and concrete. And maybe another message is that animals and

children are

> the same and they both need adult humans to tell them what to do

and control

> their lives for them. Some children's books that portray animals

with human

> traits do attempt to instill compassion and respect but I don't

think

> Curious George does this - it's only message is that George is

either being

> " good " (behaving himself) or " bad " (curious).

>

> Susan

>

> -

> Karen Detling <kdetling@h...>

>

> Saturday, February 16, 2002 3:56 PM

> Children's Books

>

>

> > I am really enjoying the discussion of children's books. I have

two small

> children, and I am currently taking a children's literature course

as part

> of my masters in library science, so it's given me some issues to

think

> about. I had several thoughts.

> >

> > 1. Veggie Tales - I have avoided them because we are not

religious. My

> MIL gave my daughter a Veggie Tales tape, but we haven't passed it

on to

> her. I'll listen to it first.

> >

> > 2. Animals given human qualities - this is an interesting

subject. To be

> honest, it has never bothered me. In fact, to play the devil's

advocate,

> let me say that I think it can be a good thing. Children may be

more likely

> to identify with animals if they see them doing things like they do

and

> having similar feelings. At some point, children will realize that

bears do

> not wear glasses and suits (at least not willingly). Also, what

about a

> book like Charlotte's Web? The animals talk and have human

qualities, but

> it is a wonderful story. The family does eat meat though.

> >

> > 3. What I object to are all the farm animal books for kids.

They make

> the farm look like paradise. Heck, I'd like to live there too if

all I had

> to do was frolic all day. They don't show the reality and, of

course, don't

> let children know that that the little pink piggy is going to be

pork chops.

> I always threaten to write my own children's book called something

like

> " Petey Pig Takes a Ride, " in which the cute little piggy is all

excited

> about his ride on the big truck, but ends up at the slaughter

house. It is

> interesting to me how our society instills a love of animals in

children

> through books, but then dupes them into thinking that eating meat

isn't

> really eating their friends. Give me a break.

> >

> > When we see meat in books, I tell my daughter what it really

is - see

> those hotdogs, those are made from cows and pigs. She's starting to

say that

> she doesn't eat cow, pig, etc., because they are her friends. Her

daycare

> provider said that my daughter is very aware that she doesn't eat

meat and

> if her friends offer it to her she says no. (The teacher also

steps in to

> be sure she doesn't get any.)

> >

> > Karen

> >

> >

> >

> >

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