Guest guest Posted May 31, 2002 Report Share Posted May 31, 2002 Can anyone please share your decisions/views on vaccinations with me. A dear friend has a 4 month old daughter and is wondering what to do. Please share your experiences and how you made your decisions! Thanks. _______________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Anyone concerned with vaccinating their children should look at the source below. It contains personal experiences of children who were vaccinated. I think your friend can make an informed decision after viewing this information. ============================================= News is a free service of the National Vaccine Information Center and is supported through membership donations. Learn more about vaccines, diseases and how to protect your informed consent rights http://www.909shot.com Become a member and support NVIC's work https://www.909shot.com/order.htm To sign up for a free e-mail subscription http://www.909shot.com/emaillist.htm To from this list, send an email to news-request and type UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the email. - " jeannie de rouen " <bojean7 Friday, May 31, 2002 11:09 AM vaccinations > Can anyone please share your decisions/views on vaccinations with me. A > dear friend has a 4 month old daughter and is wondering what to do. Please > share your experiences and how you made your decisions! Thanks. > > _______________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 There is a lot of info out there on both sides of this issue. If you are interested in web sites or books on the more 'anti'-vaccine side I'd be more than happy to give you a list. It is a very personal and tough decision with risks both ways (afterall life is a risk). Mothering magazine has a lot of stuff on vaccines and so does their book 'Natural Family Living'. 'How to Raise Your Child in Spite of Your Doctor' by Dr. Mendelson has a chapter on vaccines. 'Compassionate Souls' also talks about vaccines and she mentions several books (one book she actually spoke to the author and debated the author's anti-vacc stance). Tough and controversial issue, Linda --- jeannie de rouen <bojean7 wrote: > Can anyone please share your decisions/views on > vaccinations with me. A > dear friend has a 4 month old daughter and is > wondering what to do. Please > share your experiences and how you made your > decisions! Thanks. > > _______________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 , " jeannie de rouen " <bojean7@h...> wrote: > Can anyone please share your decisions/views on vaccinations with me. A > dear friend has a 4 month old daughter and is wondering what to do. Please > share your experiences and how you made your decisions! Thanks. My husband had whooping cough as a very young child, and remembers it vividly to this day, over 50 years later. My sister suffers from the after-effects of childhood polio to this day. I have seen first-hand the effects of a mother contracting rubella during pregnancy. Certainly those vaccinations were no-brainers for us. Since the mumps and measles ones are considered relatively innocuous in comparion and are bundled with them, we went along with that whole package. We have not, OTOH, vaccinated our children against chicken pox. That seems frivolous and unnecessary, and directed mostly at sparing parents inconvenience. I am not convinced that the varicella vaccine conveys the same lifelong immunity as the real McCoy. JMHO. Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 On the info sheet the pediatrician gave us (we don't vax - just gather information), there were definite non-vegan ingredients. Trin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2002 Report Share Posted July 23, 2002 Hi! I would like to share my mother's story with vaccines. When she was a child, the first time she was given a vaccine, she developed encephilitis, and almost died. She was never allowed to have vaccines again. She always had severe allergy problems, getting hives, etc. Strangely enough, when I was a child, my parents had me vaccinated. I almost always had some kind of allergic reaction to them (I was listed as being sensistive to them on my doctor's report). I have always had mild allergies to many things, both food and environmental. Especially because of my mother's history, and because sensitivities often skip a generation, I have not had my daughter vaccinated at all. I have also done extensive reading about side-effects of vaccines, and the chemicals that are put in them, including formaldehyde. I do not believe that the risk of a disease is worth the risk of the side effect. John Robbins wrote a book called Reclaiming our Health, and in it he talks about vaccines. He had polio as a child, and that is the only one he recommends. I have a friend who recently had her child vaccinated, and due to the allergic reaction the child had, she no longer will vaccinate her. I think more and more people will trust the immune systems of their child and hope that they will be strong enough to fight off the worst of any diseases they may ever contract. Also, homeopathics have been used successfully by many people of my acquaintance to lessen the effects of diseases such as whooping cough. I personally know 6 children who contracted it, and made it through fine, althought it was hard for them. None of them came close to dying, because they had used homeopathics and ate a healthy diet. I hope this helps, Victoria Serda Care2 make the world greener! Will antibiotics work in 20 years? End the misuse of Antibiotics: http://www.care2.com/go/z/1425 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 Hadass wrote: > Remind me not to swim with your children next time I'm pregnant, > or have any other kind of immune deficiency. Do you keep them away > from old people and people with immune diseases? Well, while I'm as shocked as you that a physician would lie like that, I would like to point out that you are not in danger of catching anything from swimming in a pool with a *known* unimmunized person. That is, practically every day you're in contact with people who are not immunized. And if you're immunized and those vaccines are so great, what are you worried about? And why should a healthy child be kept away from older or immune-compromised people? Children (vaccinated or not) known to be sick from *anything* should be kept away from weaker people, and so should sick adults. Vaccinated people carry diseases that could hurt of kill a weak person. Vaccinated people can still get the disease against which they were immunized, and can still pass it on. I'm not immunized, my brother was never immunized. I think they're virtually a scam and very dangerous, and definitely *not* the protective force that the gov't, medical professionals, and drug companies would have us believe. A good friend of mine is a doctor. He won't vaccinate his children. But if vaccinations were compulsory, I don't think he'd lie about a patient - that's pretty extreme. And although it's an iffy situation, if I lived in Greece, I'd probably hope to find a doc who'd do the same for me. In good health. ~Doh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 In a message dated 10/11/2002 6:44:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dohdriver writes: > Vaccinated people carry diseases that could hurt of kill a weak person. > Vaccinated people can still get the disease against which they were > immunized, and can still pass it on. > Oh, yeah! If a person gets a vaccine that uses a live virus, they can pass that virus on to others. A friend of mine's daughter contracted measles from a newly vaccinated child, she was fine and recovered nicely. Sara Proud Mama to Colin Patrick 12/07/99 Jack Michael 8/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 , Doh! <dohdriver> wrote: > Hadass wrote: > > > Remind me not to swim with your children next time I'm pregnant, > > or have any other kind of immune deficiency. Do you keep them away > > from old people and people with immune diseases? > > Well, while I'm as shocked as you that a physician would lie like that, Glad to hear that, anyway. I'm not sure I really want to dive into the Great Vaccination Debate for the umpteenth time - I think it was the mendacious physician that got me going. But just in short, I have seen the effect of an unimmunised pregnant woman catching rubella (her daughter is my age and no more self-sufficient than my 6 y/o), my DH had whooping cough 55 years ago and remembers it vividly because it was so horrible, and my sister very nearly died of polio, and drags a leg when she's tired to this day. She's nearing the age when it sometimes recurs, and I worry. So yes, I think the vaccines have done much good in the world, because while nothing is side-effect free, people forget how horrible the diseases were that they protect us against. BTW varicella immunisation is not common here in Canada, and Prevnar is just beginning to appear, so we are much more cautious about these things than your medical professionals are - that may have something to do with the different perspectives. Of course it helps that our doctors don't have a financial interest in pushing unnecessary treatments! I > would like to point out that you are not in danger of catching anything from > swimming in a pool with a *known* unimmunized person. That is, practically > every day you're in contact with people who are not immunized. And if > you're immunized and those vaccines are so great, what are you worried > about? So you are relying on suckers like me to continue immunizing our children with the vaccines that you say are so bad, to protect us all with the herd effect? > > And why should a healthy child be kept away from older or immune-compromised > people? Children (vaccinated or not) known to be sick from *anything* > should be kept away from weaker people, and so should sick adults. Yes, if you know they are sick. But the incubation period of something like rubella is a couple of weeks, IIRC. Ditto for fifth disease, for which we do not immunise and which can cause early miscarriages. I was exposed to it in my children's daycare, luckily I appear to be immune already. But I didn't know that beforehand. > Vaccinated people carry diseases that could hurt of kill a weak person. > Vaccinated people can still get the disease against which they were > immunized, and can still pass it on. True, but the chances are much lower. Of course if a child has just been immunised with a live polio vaccine, for example, you should keep them away from immune-compromised people because they will be shedding the virus. But that is temporary. > > I'm not immunized, my brother was never immunized. I think they're > virtually a scam and very dangerous, and definitely *not* the protective > force that the gov't, medical professionals, and drug companies would have > us believe. I have to tell you that biting my fingers to keep from going into this is quite painful ... 8-). But seriously, I don't want to go there. I don't hold any brief for any of the three groups you mention, especially not in the US. But I still disagree with your statement, and I suggest we leave it at that. OK? > > A good friend of mine is a doctor. He won't vaccinate his children. But if > vaccinations were compulsory, I don't think he'd lie about a patient - > that's pretty extreme. Glad to hear it! > > And although it's an iffy situation, if I lived in Greece, I'd probably hope > to find a doc who'd do the same for me. I would be very nervous about a doctor who gives aspirin to young children in any case. > > In good health. And to you and yours! Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 It seems that, although I'm on digest, I've missed somehow Hadass's post, that's why I didn't respond earlier. I only have this quote that Dohl includes in her message. Why are you all so shocked at my ped? When one lives in a repressive, un-democratic society, which doesn't give an individual choice, and even OBLIGES him/her to do things that he/she thinks are harmful and dangerous (after careful research), one has to protect oneself as much as possible, even by doing things that one wouldn't normally do. The law here is that no un-vaccined child can go to school -and school is, as you know, compulsory, so... (As Dohl rightly says, this means they themselves are not totally convinced of the total efficacity of the vaccines!) And my paediatrician, being in the alternative health department herself, really and truly believed that, although a bit extreme for her (she believes in giving the three main ones, not all the others), my position was reasonable, she didn't have so much against it: so she was acting according to her conscience and beliefs, against the state rules, which she believed to be unreasonable and unhealthy. In my experience, I've seen that because of widespread immunization, children don't have the usual childhood illnesses, and since as adults most don't get reminder shots, they sometimes get it when they are older (sometimes from their own children) and then it's much more dangerous. My father, in his thirties, got something soon after I was born (I don't know the English name, but it's not really important to know which ), one of those simple things that in a child will pass after a couple of days. Well, he had to be hospitalized, so serious it got! Knowing all this, I was hunting desperately for a sick child to visit with my own children, so they would get things and get done with them quickly, possibly before school. There was none to be found, because they were all immunized! In my pre-natal classes there was a physician who told us " It would be so good if there was a vaccine for every known illness! " Finally I found one with something called varicella in Italian (a cousin of smallpox and herpes, something that you don't have to scratch because it will leave marks...maybe chickenpox in English? ) and I did visit, my two children (6 and 2) got it, and now we are free at least of that one. But I'm looking for the other one, which women shouldn't get while pregnant, so that my daughter gets it, but I cannot find anybody. Now when she's pregnant, if she doesn't get it till then, she'll be obliged either to get a vaccine, or to avoid all contact with children and live in fear. Isn't that absurd? >Hadass wrote: >> Remind me not to swim with your children next time I'm pregnant, >> or have any other kind of immune deficiency. Do you keep them away >> from old people and people with immune diseases? Doh! <dohdriver wrote: >Well, while I'm as shocked as you that a physician would lie like that, I would like to point out that you are not in danger of catching >anything from swimming in a pool with a *known* unimmunized person. And if you're immunized and those vaccines are so great, >what are you worried about? > Children (vaccinated or not) known to be sick from *anything* should be kept away from weaker people, and so should sick adults. >Vaccinated people can still get the disease against which they were immunized, and can still pass it on. >I'm not immunized, my brother was never immunized. I think they're virtually a scam and very dangerous, and definitely *not* the >protective force that the gov't, medical professionals, and drug companies would have us believe. >A good friend of mine is a doctor. He won't vaccinate his children. But if vaccinations were compulsory, I don't think he'd lie about a >patient - that's pretty extreme. >And although it's an iffy situation, if I lived in Greece, I'd probably hope to find a doc who'd do the same for me. ~Doh Irene Towards_health_and_beauty/ Friendly support and guidance to everyone struggling with weight and wellness problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Oh, here it is, I found it! I had just scrolled too quickly that digest, because it was mainly about Vegetarian Times, a topic I don't know much about as I was never a r. Hadass wrote: >Having a physician lie about such a thing is no less than shocking IMHO, and would be grounds for her losing her license in Canada. In Greece too. I'm not telling anybody around here. >Aspirin is counter-indicatd for children in North America because it may lead to a life-threatening situation called Reyes' Syndrome. I >am staggered that a physician of any kind would give aspirin to children in this day and age. Is there no acetaminophen (in Northern >Europe it is called paracetamol) in Greece? It's a special aspirin, called " child aspirin " . Maybe it's not the same than the adult one. I haven't researched its contents, because I've never bought it. I'd never give any drug to my children, paracetamol included. That said, I see that my children are a lot healthier than most of those I see around. Not only because of lack of vaccination, but also because of lack of any chemicals, long breastfeeding (two years each), and of course vegetarian/healthy diet, and the fact that none in the family smokes, and even smoking friends are sent outside (the weather here is not to be compared to what you have in Canada, of course!!!), very little TV, exposure to Reiki and yoga from a young age. Okay, there is a big factor that for the moment I cannot control, the fact that we are living in a big and very polluted city. This is serious, I know, but for now I cannot move out of here to offer them fresh air, this most precious thing. Plus I haven't been able to choose a suitable father for them, because I fell in love with somebody who wasn't what he seemed to be, and turned out to be a total jerk, something that has had bad repercussions both on me and on the children. I feel guilty about those two things. Oh well, one does one's best to one's best knowledge, right? Irene Mother to Tancredi (9) and Lavinia (5) Towards_health_and_beauty/ Friendly support and guidance to everyone struggling with weight and wellness problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 In a message dated 10/14/2002 5:43:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, shantima writes: > In my experience, I've seen that because of widespread immunization, > children don't have the usual childhood illnesses, and since as adults most > don't get reminder shots, they sometimes get it when they are older > (sometimes from their own children) and then it's much more dangerous I exposed my two year old to chicken pox, so that he wouldn't get them later in life, I had them at 17 and it was really rough for me, he didn't have much trouble with them at all. I would like to expose them to other childhood diseases, but it is becoming nearly impossible. Sara Proud Mama to Colin Patrick 12/07/99 Jack Michael 8/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2002 Report Share Posted October 15, 2002 , " Irene Maradei " <shantima@o...> wrote: > Oh, here it is, I found it! I had just scrolled too quickly that digest, > because it was mainly about Vegetarian Times, a topic I don't know much > about as I was never a r. I never d, either. I was, however, thinking of starting to buy it again, so I am very grateful for the warnings not to bother to try and find it! > > Hadass wrote: > >Having a physician lie about such a thing is no less than shocking IMHO, > and would be grounds for her losing her license in Canada. > > In Greece too. I'm not telling anybody around here. Your secret is safe with us 8-). BTW I am interested to see that you describe Greece as a repressive, undemocratic society. Surely those laws are not passed by a dictator, but if you wanted, you could get involved in politics and have them changed? Athens, after all, was the first seat of democracy (for men, at least!). And is homeschooling forbidden in Greece? > > >Aspirin is counter-indicatd for children in North America because it may > lead to a life-threatening situation called Reyes' Syndrome. I >am staggered > that a physician of any kind would give aspirin to children in this day and > age. Is there no acetaminophen (in Northern >Europe it is called > paracetamol) in Greece? > > It's a special aspirin, called " child aspirin " . Maybe it's not the same than > the adult one. I haven't researched its contents, because I've never bought > it. I'd never give any drug to my children, paracetamol included. I hope and pray your children never contract any serious illness, then. BTW aspirin was first used by the First Nations people here in North America, who chewed willow bark to cure headaches. Can't get much more natural than that! But it is still not good for young children. > > That said, I see that my children are a lot healthier than most of those I > see around. Not only because of lack of vaccination, but also because of > lack of any chemicals, long breastfeeding (two years each), Now I had to laugh. These things are so culturally specific! I give my children decongestants when they are stuffed up and can't breathe, and paracetamol or ibuprofen when they are in pain; and they are fully vaccinated. But I weaned my oldest at the age of 4, and my second one, at 3.5 y/o, is still going strong. So I guess the idea of what constitutes long breastfeeding really differs! and of course > vegetarian/healthy diet, and the fact that none in the family smokes, and > even smoking friends are sent outside (the weather here is not to be > compared to what you have in Canada, of course!!!), Luckily there is also a lot less cigarette smoke around here than in Europe, too. We do send smokers outside (and they huddle in their coats in -40 to indulge their addiction), and there are laws here that forbid smoking in most public places. I'm sure the smokers feel that it is a repressive, undemocratic society! 8-) very little TV, exposure > to Reiki and yoga from a young age. My brother does reiki - from what I've seen, I don't understand how it can possibly work, so I refrain from comment. > Okay, there is a big factor that for the moment I cannot control, the fact > that we are living in a big and very polluted city. This is serious, I know, > but for now I cannot move out of here to offer them fresh air, this most > precious thing. Keeping your indoor air clean is very important, too. Seems to me that you are doing all you can. Plus I haven't been able to choose a suitable father for > them, because I fell in love with somebody who wasn't what he seemed to be, > and turned out to be a total jerk, something that has had bad repercussions > both on me and on the children. Ouch. So sorry. > I feel guilty about those two things. Oh well, one does one's best to one's > best knowledge, right? Absolutely! We all try to do what is best for our families ... BTW, you are right, varicella is chickenpox, and the other one you were talking about is rubella. I mentioned the effects of that in my response to Doh. Might be worth considering vaccinating your daughter, at least. Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 Diseases are strange things, I had chicken pox as a child, a full blown case and scars to prove it, but yet I got it again at around 20 yrs old ( I was told that I didn't get it bad enough the first but my memory , and my mother's recollection as well,reminds me otherwise), the second time was a milder case but left a second scar on my forehead. Side note: I also, had to retake one of my courses as I was not allowed to make up my missed quizes and tests during my absence from class. A raw deal as I was advised not to go to class or to mingle so as to aviod passing it on but could not go home as my mother is diabetic and was also avised to stay away from her so I spent two weeks in my dorm room bored stiff. I believe I may have had a even milder case yet a few years after. ( though it was not diagnosed as it was only a dozen or less spots so I didn't bother.) 10 years later I still wonder now whenever I get mysterious itches rashes or little red dots if it it going to come up again. My experiences though not common lead me not to fully trust in getting it naturally and " being done with it " . I personally just hope that by giving my children a shot for it now will save them from the discomfort of ever having it. Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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