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I agree about what you are saying about B12 on the theoretical level. In

reality though, I understand it is fairly common for people to have some degree

of difficulty absorbing B12. In these cases, taking large doses (500 to 1000mcg

per day) is necessary to ensure that the small amount we need is actually

absorbed.

I was reminded just this week of how common, and unexpected, it can be to

have such a condition. A young and healthy friend of mine who has been vegan

two years, had his blood checked and found out that despite taking 150 mcg per

week, he was showing metabolic deficiency. That is to say, his blood level was

below normal, as well as his homocysteine elevated. He plans to raise his intake

to 150 mcg per day to see if that will be enough and have his blood tested again

in September. If it isn't, and the research seems to indicate that it may well

not be, he will raise his dose to the 500 to 1000 mcg per day that have been

reported in clinical trials to be sufficient in all cases.

Deborah in BC, Canada

 

 

I usually tell vegan wannabes that there are B12 pills,

and a B12 pill is NOT ethically objectionable, and it

does ensure that there will be more than adequate B12

in the system.

 

I looked recently at a bottle of B12 pills that one COULD

get from The Vitamin Source. I had calculated that

one B12 pill had enough B12 to last a total vegan

1.5 to 5.5 years

 

 

50000% = 500 days

3000 micrograms/3 mcg/day = 1000 days

3000 micrograms/1.5 mcg/day = 2000 days

(Many have recommended 1.5 mcg/day of B12,

as has Dr. Victor Herbert, a world recognized B12 expert,

but many recommend 3 mcg for safety)

 

2000 days/365 days/year = ~ 5.48 years

~ 5.479

365/2000.0000

1825

1750

1460

2900

2555

3450

3485

 

 

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As far as I know, B12 doesn't come from the cow itself, but is

produced by

specific bacteria...

 

Right!

 

....found in the animal's small intestine.

 

It's absorbed in the small intestine, but it isn't produced

there. Because the small intestine is where the stomach dumps it

acidic contents, the small intestine is relatively sterile under

normal conditions.

 

I've heard experts saying that your body's B12 level depends not

only on consuming B12 but

consuming foods that stimulate B12 production by this bacteria.

 

This is certainly true for cow's, who have to eat grass to fill

their first stomachs, in which their B12 is made. With humans

though, while we make it in our large intestine, there are no

absorption sites there.

 

I never thought of it this way, but what you said reminded me of

the

argument that people NEED cow's milk because it's the only viable

source of

calcium for humans, apparently calcium found in vegetables is

really bad

(because you need vit. C to be able to digest it; go figure),...

 

That's true that we need vitamin C to absorb calcium. There is

none in pasteurized cow's milk, whereas there is lots in fruits

and vegetables. That is one reason why it is easier to absorb

calcium from plant foods than cow's milk. This is one reason why

people who eat animal products are at higher risk of osteoporosis

than vegans.

 

....but where do cows get their calcium?

 

Exactly! Obviously, they get it from grass. Grass is their

natural food, and their body is well equipped to get what it

needs from it. Same with us, as long as we eat our natural food.

Nothing natural about humans consuming cow's milk!

 

Anyway, there's still debate over how much B12 consumption is

needed by

humans, different dietetic associations have different

guidelines. Belle

 

Yes, that's true. I've seen recommendations from 1 up to 5

micrograms per day. Under normal circumstances, I doubt that it

makes much difference.

 

In any case, I think it is good for each of us to make our own

decision to be pro-active about it for ourselves rather than

waiting for agencies to make up their minds in their torturously

slow and bureaucratic way. If we wait for them, and do nothing

meanwhile, we might find ourselves having developed deficiency

symptoms by then! Having a blood test is always the easiest way

to settle the matter. However, I spent a few months reading

research about this for a series of articles I wrote on this

topic, and I found that testing has generally shown that vegans

who do not supplement, tend to have either very low or below

normal levels of serum B12. Because of the danger of developing

irreversible consequences if one waits until symptoms actually

show, I think it makes the most sense to go ahead and just take

the supplement. In nature, we primates would be getting some on

a fairly regular schedule from poop-eating and occassional flesh

eating, so I think it makes sense to fill that gap with a

supplement.

 

Deborah

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Hadass wrote:

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> but I've yet to find one [multivitamin] that

> my 3 y/o will take

 

Would he eat gummi bears? There's a vegan multi gummi and another that's

vegetarian. If you think that'd work, LMK and I'll send you the brand and

website.

~Doh

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My kids... 2 1/2yrs and 5 yrs old like a multi vitmin

called Multi-Saurus. They often march them around and

play with them first but they do eat them too. :)

 

It is made by KAL

They have a line of kids vitamins called Dinosaurs

which includes multi-vites and well as some other

formulas. I don't know if they are all vegan but the

owner of my local HFS called up on this one and was

told that it is vegan ( the Multi-saurus)

 

 

--- Doh! <dohdriver wrote:

>

> Hadass wrote:

> >

> > but I've yet to find one [multivitamin] that

> > my 3 y/o will take

>

> Would he eat gummi bears? There's a vegan multi

> gummi and another that's

> vegetarian. If you think that'd work, LMK and I'll

> send you the brand and

> website.

> ~Doh

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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, Doh! <dohdriver> wrote:

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> Hadass wrote:

> >

> > but I've yet to find one [multivitamin] that

> > my 3 y/o will take

>

> Would he eat gummi bears? There's a vegan multi gummi and another

that's

> vegetarian. If you think that'd work, LMK and I'll send you the

brand and

> website.

 

Thanks, but alas, no. I know because somebody gave him a gummi bear

before I could prevent it, and he would have no part of it.

 

I think mixing liquid or powdered stuff into his food is probably the

best method until he starts taking chewables. But for now, he's still

breastfeeding, and he eats cheese and yoghurt, so I'm not too worried.

 

Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg.

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