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I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while pregnant. My 19 month

old is still nursing and I want to wean him soon if nursing him will

intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people say that nursing is

sometimes used as " ineffective " birth control. It seems that my nursing

child would be using stores of nutrition that I would need to carry a baby.

Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby if I'm still nursing

the older child?

I've done research on this issue but haven't found significant information

regarding it.

 

 

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" fordknubley2.screaming.net " <jenna

 

Friday, June 14, 2002 5:40 PM

marshmallow recipe

 

 

> Hi, I got this from

>

> http://www.vegparadise.com/

>

> I've never tried the recipe, my food processor has not got the stamina,

but I'd love to hear of any success.

>

> " Apparently there was a company called Emes that was the only manufacturer

of vegan marshmallows, but they jes up 'n' quit makin' 'em. Imagine that!

So, Jansie, the next best thing I kin recommend is to make 'em yerself.

Here's Andrea's recipe that jest might do the trick. On the other hand, some

o' the ingredients jes might give yer head a problem. Fer instance, findin'

the Emes Kosher Gelatin, er usin' white sugar.

>

> Andi's Vegan Marshmallows (from Andrea on VegList Digest)

>

>

> 2 1/2 T. vegetable gelatin (Emes Kosher Gel)

> 1 1/2 C. (355 ml) sugar

> 1 C. (237 ml) light corn syrup

> 1/2 C. (118 ml) cold water

> 1/2 C. (118 ml) water at room temperature

> 1/4 t. salt

> 2 T. vanilla extract (or flavoring of your choice)

> Cornstarch for dusting

> 1.. Combine Gel and 1/2 C. (118 ml) COLD water in the bowl of a mixer

with a whisk attachment. Let stand for 1/2 hour.

> 2.. Mix the sugar, corn syrup, salt, and 1/2 C. (118 ml) water in a

saucepan. Stir it over low heat until the sugar is dissolved and a syrup has

formed.

> 3.. Cook it until firmball stage (244 degrees Fahrenheit about 120 C. on

a candy thermometer.) Remove pan from heat, and slowly and carefully pour

the syrup into the gelatin/water mixture in your mixer. Beat the mixture at

high speed until thick, white, and tripled in size, approximately 15

minutes. (If you stop before this time, you will have marshmallow creme

which you can store in a jar and use like the commercial stuff.) Add the

vanilla and beat just long enough to incorporate it.

> 4.. Dust an 8 " x 12 " (20 cm x 30 cm) glass baking pan with cornstarch.

Pour mixture into pan, and dust the top with more cornstarch. Wet your hands

and pat the mixture to smooth out the top. Dust again.

> 5.. Let stand overnight to dry out, uncovered. Next morning turn the

" marshmallow cake " out onto a board, and cut in into small pieces with a

dry, HOT knife. Dust again. Makes about 45 marshmallows

> Jenna

>

>

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I talked with my friend who nursed 3 children, the oldest till she was 6.

She nursed 2 at once.

She informed me that your body makes all the milk needed for both your

children. It will make colostrum at the appropriate time. Her daughter told

her that the milk tasted different before the baby came. Your milk supply

will decrease as you getting farther along in your pregnancy.

Your nutrition should be attended to. Make sure you are drinking plenty of

water and good prenatal vitamins.

Hope this helps.

Peace,

Laura

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Go to the LLL group and talk to them about it. You do not need to wean. I

got pregnant when my daughter was 21 mos and am still nursing both of them.

 

Sandra, Eva (11/15/98) and Raffi (5/21/01)

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Hi

 

I am new to the list and haven't even introduced

myself as yet but am coming out of lurkdom to answer

your questions....

 

I am nursing a 2 and half year old and a 4 year old.

In my experience nursing had no impact on my second

born and his development, at least anything I noticed.

My first was 8 lbs 10 oz and my second was 9 lbs 8 oz

so it obviously didn't impact his size. :o) And we

still had colostrum when he was born. Our bodies are

miraculous things. The way I look at it is if your

body is ready to have babies it will start ovulating

again while nursing. During pregnancy some womens

milk dries out while others have no change. It all

depends on how much nutrients, calories and of course

genetics. The bonus for the older nursling is once

the baby comes they get all this yummy milk again.

:o)

 

HTH

 

Anita :o)

 

--- admartin <admartin wrote:

I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while

pregnant. & nbsp; My 19 month<BR>

old is still nursing and & nbsp; I want to wean him soon

if nursing him will<BR>

intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people

say that nursing is<BR>

sometimes used as & quot;ineffective & quot; birth

control. It seems that my nursing<BR>

child would be using stores of nutrition that I would

need to carry a baby.<BR>

Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby

if I'm still nursing<BR>

the older child?<BR>

I've done research on this issue but haven't found

significant information<BR>

regarding it.<BR>

<BR>

 

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, " admartin " <admartin@s...> wrote:

> I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while pregnant.

 

I nursed my firstborn all through my second pregnancy and for nine

months afterwards, and now I'm nursing my second-born through a third

pregnancy. It is getting a little uncomfortable (I'm at 14.5 weeks and

my nipples are quite sore), but I wouldn't dream of weaning him just

in time to be consumed by jealousy ... as it is, he's very ambivalent

at the idea of being replaced as " the baby " .

 

I had no trouble at all conceiving while breastfeeding, either time,

and I found the tandem nursing to be just the ticket for dealing with

the sibling rivalry. My boys are really good friends and I feel it has

something to do with the older one's not being pushed off the breast

before he was ready.

 

JME, of course.

 

Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg

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Most of my friends nursed while pregnant (and

after...tandem nursing) with no problems. I've just

heard it can be a little tiring and tandem nursing

takes some getting used to.

 

Good luck!

 

Linda

 

 

 

 

 

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> " admartin " <admartin

> Nursing While Pregnant

>

> I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while pregnant. My 19 month

> old is still nursing and I want to wean him soon if nursing him will

> intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people say that nursing is

> sometimes used as " ineffective " birth control. It seems that my nursing

> child would be using stores of nutrition that I would need to carry a baby.

> Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby if I'm still nursing

> the older child?

> I've done research on this issue but haven't found significant information

> regarding it.

 

admartin,

We were just discussing this on a breastfeeding support list I'm on. I

haven't nursed through a pregnancy and won't be getting pregnant again, so I

only skimmed the messages, but I recall this much:

~Nursing will NOT interfere with a pregnancy. If your menses have

returned, nursing won't prevent pregnancy, either. If your periods haven't

returned and you want to start trying to conceive, cutting back on night

nursing, or night-weaning, will hurry them back.

~Nursing is ineffective birth control because you won't know if your body

has released an egg until you have the period that follows - so you might

get pregnant before you ever knew your fertility had returned.

~Nursing an older child becomes secondary to supporting a pregnancy. So if

you get pregnant, your body will first feed the fetus, then the older child.

You come last. I suggest you boost your healthy caloric intake and don't

forget your prenatal vitamins! :)

~Your milk will be designed for the new baby, and your body will produce

colostrum shortly before birth and for the first couple of days after the

birth. It'll be a nice healthy shot for your older child.

 

During the pregnancy, several things might happen. Your nipples and/or

breasts may become too sensitive to nurse. You may wean your child from

this. Or your supply will drop dramatically (common I think in the second

trimester, but I forget exactly) and your child will wean from this. Either

way, your child may want to resume nursing once the baby has come. Or

you'll end up nursing straight through the pregnancy and will have no

" effects " . Also, with the changes in the milk, your older child may or may

not like the different taste, and may or may not wean because of it.

 

How's that for vague and evasive answers? But that's kind of what it comes

down to - many things are possible when you nurse through a pregnancy and

into tandem nursing.

 

IMO, it's not at all necessary, and not really even " fair " to the older

child, to wean for a second child, but I don't know your situation.

 

Good luck!! Feel free to ask more questions, and if you're interested I'll

send you the link to join the (somewhat high-traffic) breastfeeding list.

It's a great resource, lots of tandem nursing and twins and pregnancies and

working moms...

~Doh

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Thanks to all who responded to my question regarding nursing. I needed your

personal experiences to be fully convinced that I could still nurse while

pregnant without negative consequences!

-

" A.N.I.T.A " <twoliluns

 

Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:20 PM

Re: Nursing While Pregnant

 

 

> Hi

>

> I am new to the list and haven't even introduced

> myself as yet but am coming out of lurkdom to answer

> your questions....

>

> I am nursing a 2 and half year old and a 4 year old.

> In my experience nursing had no impact on my second

> born and his development, at least anything I noticed.

> My first was 8 lbs 10 oz and my second was 9 lbs 8 oz

> so it obviously didn't impact his size. :o) And we

> still had colostrum when he was born. Our bodies are

> miraculous things. The way I look at it is if your

> body is ready to have babies it will start ovulating

> again while nursing. During pregnancy some womens

> milk dries out while others have no change. It all

> depends on how much nutrients, calories and of course

> genetics. The bonus for the older nursling is once

> the baby comes they get all this yummy milk again.

> :o)

>

> HTH

>

> Anita :o)

>

> --- admartin <admartin wrote:

> I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while

> pregnant. & nbsp; My 19 month<BR>

> old is still nursing and & nbsp; I want to wean him soon

> if nursing him will<BR>

> intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people

> say that nursing is<BR>

> sometimes used as & quot;ineffective & quot; birth

> control. It seems that my nursing<BR>

> child would be using stores of nutrition that I would

> need to carry a baby.<BR>

> Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby

> if I'm still nursing<BR>

> the older child?<BR>

> I've done research on this issue but haven't found

> significant information<BR>

> regarding it.<BR>

> <BR>

>

> ____________________

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>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.

>

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Yup, my kids were 8lb7oz and 9 even. Not too scrawny! I'm aiming for 9lb

11oz next time and will probably nurse through that one too. :)

 

Sandra

 

> My first was 8 lbs 10 oz and my second was 9 lbs 8 oz

> so it obviously didn't impact his size. :o)

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Hi, to add some positive aspects that I don't think any one else has mentioned

yet.........

 

An eager nursing big sibling can help a *lot* with any engorgement problems.

My big girl (7 now, still feeding a bit and would like a lot more than I let

her) loved the job of 'making mummies breasts soft so that little brother could

latch on' And tandem feeding can be so sweet, even if a bit hard to work out the

logistics at first, as they hold hands and gaze lovingly at each other

 

Also, a strong feeder gives just the right nipple stimulation to encourage

contractions if labour is a bit slow getting going.

 

Best wishes for the conception

 

Jenna

 

 

 

 

Thanks to all who responded to my question regarding nursing. I needed your

personal experiences to be fully convinced that I could still nurse while

pregnant without negative consequences!

-

" A.N.I.T.A " <twoliluns

Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:20 PM

Re: Nursing While Pregnant

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The one thing people neglected to mention, however, is that to meet the greater

demands on your body, you need to fuel yourself properly. As I'm sure you know,

being pregnant, in the 2nd & 3rd trimester, the " normal " weight woman needs to

consume an extra 300 calories per day, in addition to 10 more grams of protein

than she requires pregravid. (to determine that, multiply .8g Protein by your

body weight in kg (1 kg = 2.2 lbs) ). Then, postpartum, if she is nursing, she

still needs to consume an additional 300-500 kcal per day to meet the demands of

lactation -- and not to worry, when lactating, this amount of calories will not

make it difficult to lose the extra weight from pregnancy! In terms of protein,

you will actually need about 15 additional grams above your pre-pregnancy needs.

Therefore, if you are both pregnant and nursing, keep your body's needs in mind

and feed it accordingly so that your fetus will have adequate nutrients to

support his or her appropriate gestational growth and that you will continue to

nourish your nursing child through your healthy breast milk -- while at the same

time, taking care of your own needs so that you have enough extra energy to get

through your day! However, you should definitely discuss this with your

obstetrician or midwife or whomever you see for your ob/gyn needs, and perhaps

even a nutritionist.

 

-

admartin

Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:11 AM

 

Re: Nursing While Pregnant

 

Thanks to all who responded to my question regarding nursing. I needed your

personal experiences to be fully convinced that I could still nurse while

pregnant without negative consequences!

-

" A.N.I.T.A " <twoliluns

 

Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:20 PM

Re: Nursing While Pregnant

 

 

> Hi

>

> I am new to the list and haven't even introduced

> myself as yet but am coming out of lurkdom to answer

> your questions....

>

> I am nursing a 2 and half year old and a 4 year old.

> In my experience nursing had no impact on my second

> born and his development, at least anything I noticed.

> My first was 8 lbs 10 oz and my second was 9 lbs 8 oz

> so it obviously didn't impact his size. :o) And we

> still had colostrum when he was born. Our bodies are

> miraculous things. The way I look at it is if your

> body is ready to have babies it will start ovulating

> again while nursing. During pregnancy some womens

> milk dries out while others have no change. It all

> depends on how much nutrients, calories and of course

> genetics. The bonus for the older nursling is once

> the baby comes they get all this yummy milk again.

> :o)

>

> HTH

>

> Anita :o)

>

> --- admartin <admartin wrote:

> I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while

> pregnant. & nbsp; My 19 month<BR>

> old is still nursing and & nbsp; I want to wean him soon

> if nursing him will<BR>

> intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people

> say that nursing is<BR>

> sometimes used as & quot;ineffective & quot; birth

> control. It seems that my nursing<BR>

> child would be using stores of nutrition that I would

> need to carry a baby.<BR>

> Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby

> if I'm still nursing<BR>

> the older child?<BR>

> I've done research on this issue but haven't found

> significant information<BR>

> regarding it.<BR>

> <BR>

>

> ____________________

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>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.

>

>

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, " fordknubley2.screaming.net " <jenna@f...>

wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi, to add some positive aspects that I don't think any one else

has mentioned yet.........

>

> An eager nursing big sibling can help a *lot* with any engorgement

problems.

 

That's true.

 

> My big girl (7 now, still feeding a bit and would like a lot

more than I let her) loved the job of 'making mummies breasts soft so

that little brother could latch on' And tandem feeding can be so

sweet, even if a bit hard to work out the logistics at first, as they

hold hands and gaze lovingly at each other

>

 

Ha! One of the reasons I finally stopped tandem nursing at 9 months

(when my oldest was 4), was because the baby had caught on that he had

to share and was delivering very shrewd kicks in that direction 8-). I

could also never pump while he was nursing ... and he still

terrorises his older brother on occasion. Today is his 3rd birthday.

It'll be interesting to see how he feels about sharing the breast with

a *younger* sibling ...

 

Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg.

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, " robin werner " <RZarensky@m...> wrote:

> The one thing people neglected to mention, however, is that to meet

the greater demands on your body, you need to fuel yourself properly.

As I'm sure you know, being pregnant, in the 2nd & 3rd trimester, the

" normal " weight woman needs to consume an extra 300 calories per day,

 

Just to put that in perspective, that's three apples 8-).

 

> in addition to 10 more grams of protein than she requires pregravid.

(to determine that, multiply .8g Protein by your body weight in kg (1

kg = 2.2 lbs) ).

 

As you know, the average North American, veg or not, already consumes

way more protein than needed anyway. That having been said, I do find

that I crave more soy products now.

 

> Then, postpartum, if she is nursing, she still needs

to consume an additional 300-500 kcal per day to meet the demands of

lactation -- and not to worry, when lactating, this amount of calories

will not make it difficult to lose the extra weight from pregnancy!

 

Alas, this is not always true. But Weight Watchers, properly modified

for lactation (my leader added an extra 10 points to my range, later

reduced to 5 as my baby began to eat a significant amount of solids)

helped me get rid of those pesky 40 lbs.

 

 

> In

terms of protein, you will actually need about 15 additional grams

above your pre-pregnancy needs. Therefore, if you are both pregnant

and nursing, keep your body's needs in mind and feed it accordingly so

that your fetus will have adequate nutrients to support his or her

appropriate gestational growth and that you will continue to nourish

your nursing child through your healthy breast milk -- while at the

same time, taking care of your own needs so that you have enough extra

energy to get through your day! However, you should definitely discuss

this with your obstetrician or midwife or whomever you see for your

ob/gyn needs, and perhaps even a nutritionist.

 

Good advice, in general. But I do have one question. Why should an OB

know anything about nutrition, or breastfeeding for that matter? They

certainly don't learn much about either in medical school. Don't know

about midwives, alas I've never been able to use one (by the time they

became legal around here, I had become " high-risk " ). But I am

generally not impressed with the nutritional or breastfeeding

knowledge of MDs, whether of the OB or paediatrician variety ... a

nutritionist or lactation consultant is a much better bet. But I'd say

that any vegetarian who was eating properly before pregnancy, and

listens to her body, can be pregnant and nursing without going into a

panic about it. JMHO, of course.

 

It should be added, however, that sometimes nursing *can* interfere

with conception, if the woman is on the borderline of infertility. If

you try unsuccessfully to conceive, say, for a year, then maybe it

would be worth getting an endocrine workup just to determine how your

hormone levels are doing, and make a decision based on that. But I

certainly wouldn't wean *prospectively*. First try it and see how it

goes. Have fun! 8-)

 

Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg.

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FWIW, my mw and doula thought that one of the reasons I took so much

" encouragement " to get labor started (I was a week and a half late and about

to be risked out of a homebirth, or else I'd have just let things go... but

don't even GET me started on that bs) was because I was so totally saturated

with oxytocin from nursing so often. My daughter was nursing every couple

of hours until the very end of the pregnancy, practically as much as a

newborn!

 

Sandra, Eva (3.5) and Raffi (1)

 

> Also, a strong feeder gives just the right nipple stimulation to

encourage contractions if labour is a bit slow getting going.

>

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I found that it made it harder to lose weight, actually. I was not eating

ENOUGh to lose! I had to go to WW to learn to eat more. I would highly

recommend the nursing mom's plan.

 

Sandra

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LOL, I don't think you even need a strong feeder.

When I was labour with my second I avoided my first

because every time she would nurse the contractions

got so strong. It was soo obvious the nursing was the

cause for the stronger contractions. ;O)

 

Anita :o)

 

--- " fordknubley2.screaming.net "

<jenna wrote:

& nbsp; Also, a strong feeder gives just the right

nipple stimulation to encourage contractions if labour

is a bit slow getting going.<BR>

<BR>

& nbsp; Best wishes for the conception<BR>

<BR>

& nbsp; Jenna<

 

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In a message dated 6/24/2002 6:03:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

heviatar writes:

 

 

> Why should an OB

> know anything about nutrition, or breastfeeding for that matter? They

> certainly don't learn much about either in medical school. Don't know

> about midwives, alas I've never been able to use one (by the time they

> became legal around here, I had become " high-risk " ).

 

 

I agree on the ob's not knowing much about nutrition or breastfeeding, most

pediatrician's don't know a whole lot about it either. My son's ped's office

told me that I needed to give him water at four months old, hello, breastmilk

contains water! I don't know about all midwives, but I am 34 weeks pregnant

(today!) and I have two wonderful midwives who know quite a bit about

nutrition and breastfeeding, they are also well informed about natural

healing.

 

 

Sara

 

 

 

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I nursed while pregnant two different times. The first time my daughter

stopped nursing on her own about 3mos into the pregnancy ( she was 14 or 15

mos. old). The second time my second daughter quit on her own about 3 or 4

mos into the pregnancy (at 19 mos old)...I didn't think they would quit at

firtst...it didn't look like it...but something about that third

month...That's as far as I know, I'm sure it does take a toll on your body

to do both but am sure someone out there has nursed all the way through.

Jackie

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" admartin " <admartin

 

Monday, June 17, 2002 9:19 AM

Nursing While Pregnant

 

 

> I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while pregnant. My 19 month

> old is still nursing and I want to wean him soon if nursing him will

> intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people say that nursing is

> sometimes used as " ineffective " birth control. It seems that my nursing

> child would be using stores of nutrition that I would need to carry a

baby.

> Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby if I'm still nursing

> the older child?

> I've done research on this issue but haven't found significant information

> regarding it.

>

>

> -

> " fordknubley2.screaming.net " <jenna

>

> Friday, June 14, 2002 5:40 PM

> marshmallow recipe

>

>

> > Hi, I got this from

> >

> > http://www.vegparadise.com/

> >

> > I've never tried the recipe, my food processor has not got the stamina,

> but I'd love to hear of any success.

> >

> > " Apparently there was a company called Emes that was the only

manufacturer

> of vegan marshmallows, but they jes up 'n' quit makin' 'em. Imagine that!

> So, Jansie, the next best thing I kin recommend is to make 'em yerself.

> Here's Andrea's recipe that jest might do the trick. On the other hand,

some

> o' the ingredients jes might give yer head a problem. Fer instance,

findin'

> the Emes Kosher Gelatin, er usin' white sugar.

> >

> > Andi's Vegan Marshmallows (from Andrea on VegList Digest)

> >

> >

> > 2 1/2 T. vegetable gelatin (Emes Kosher Gel)

> > 1 1/2 C. (355 ml) sugar

> > 1 C. (237 ml) light corn syrup

> > 1/2 C. (118 ml) cold water

> > 1/2 C. (118 ml) water at room temperature

> > 1/4 t. salt

> > 2 T. vanilla extract (or flavoring of your choice)

> > Cornstarch for dusting

> > 1.. Combine Gel and 1/2 C. (118 ml) COLD water in the bowl of a mixer

> with a whisk attachment. Let stand for 1/2 hour.

> > 2.. Mix the sugar, corn syrup, salt, and 1/2 C. (118 ml) water in a

> saucepan. Stir it over low heat until the sugar is dissolved and a syrup

has

> formed.

> > 3.. Cook it until firmball stage (244 degrees Fahrenheit about 120 C.

on

> a candy thermometer.) Remove pan from heat, and slowly and carefully pour

> the syrup into the gelatin/water mixture in your mixer. Beat the mixture

at

> high speed until thick, white, and tripled in size, approximately 15

> minutes. (If you stop before this time, you will have marshmallow creme

> which you can store in a jar and use like the commercial stuff.) Add the

> vanilla and beat just long enough to incorporate it.

> > 4.. Dust an 8 " x 12 " (20 cm x 30 cm) glass baking pan with cornstarch.

> Pour mixture into pan, and dust the top with more cornstarch. Wet your

hands

> and pat the mixture to smooth out the top. Dust again.

> > 5.. Let stand overnight to dry out, uncovered. Next morning turn the

> " marshmallow cake " out onto a board, and cut in into small pieces with a

> dry, HOT knife. Dust again. Makes about 45 marshmallows

> > Jenna

> >

> >

> >

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