Guest guest Posted June 17, 2002 Report Share Posted June 17, 2002 I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while pregnant. My 19 month old is still nursing and I want to wean him soon if nursing him will intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people say that nursing is sometimes used as " ineffective " birth control. It seems that my nursing child would be using stores of nutrition that I would need to carry a baby. Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby if I'm still nursing the older child? I've done research on this issue but haven't found significant information regarding it. - " fordknubley2.screaming.net " <jenna Friday, June 14, 2002 5:40 PM marshmallow recipe > Hi, I got this from > > http://www.vegparadise.com/ > > I've never tried the recipe, my food processor has not got the stamina, but I'd love to hear of any success. > > " Apparently there was a company called Emes that was the only manufacturer of vegan marshmallows, but they jes up 'n' quit makin' 'em. Imagine that! So, Jansie, the next best thing I kin recommend is to make 'em yerself. Here's Andrea's recipe that jest might do the trick. On the other hand, some o' the ingredients jes might give yer head a problem. Fer instance, findin' the Emes Kosher Gelatin, er usin' white sugar. > > Andi's Vegan Marshmallows (from Andrea on VegList Digest) > > > 2 1/2 T. vegetable gelatin (Emes Kosher Gel) > 1 1/2 C. (355 ml) sugar > 1 C. (237 ml) light corn syrup > 1/2 C. (118 ml) cold water > 1/2 C. (118 ml) water at room temperature > 1/4 t. salt > 2 T. vanilla extract (or flavoring of your choice) > Cornstarch for dusting > 1.. Combine Gel and 1/2 C. (118 ml) COLD water in the bowl of a mixer with a whisk attachment. Let stand for 1/2 hour. > 2.. Mix the sugar, corn syrup, salt, and 1/2 C. (118 ml) water in a saucepan. Stir it over low heat until the sugar is dissolved and a syrup has formed. > 3.. Cook it until firmball stage (244 degrees Fahrenheit about 120 C. on a candy thermometer.) Remove pan from heat, and slowly and carefully pour the syrup into the gelatin/water mixture in your mixer. Beat the mixture at high speed until thick, white, and tripled in size, approximately 15 minutes. (If you stop before this time, you will have marshmallow creme which you can store in a jar and use like the commercial stuff.) Add the vanilla and beat just long enough to incorporate it. > 4.. Dust an 8 " x 12 " (20 cm x 30 cm) glass baking pan with cornstarch. Pour mixture into pan, and dust the top with more cornstarch. Wet your hands and pat the mixture to smooth out the top. Dust again. > 5.. Let stand overnight to dry out, uncovered. Next morning turn the " marshmallow cake " out onto a board, and cut in into small pieces with a dry, HOT knife. Dust again. Makes about 45 marshmallows > Jenna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 I talked with my friend who nursed 3 children, the oldest till she was 6. She nursed 2 at once. She informed me that your body makes all the milk needed for both your children. It will make colostrum at the appropriate time. Her daughter told her that the milk tasted different before the baby came. Your milk supply will decrease as you getting farther along in your pregnancy. Your nutrition should be attended to. Make sure you are drinking plenty of water and good prenatal vitamins. Hope this helps. Peace, Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 Go to the LLL group and talk to them about it. You do not need to wean. I got pregnant when my daughter was 21 mos and am still nursing both of them. Sandra, Eva (11/15/98) and Raffi (5/21/01) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 Hi I am new to the list and haven't even introduced myself as yet but am coming out of lurkdom to answer your questions.... I am nursing a 2 and half year old and a 4 year old. In my experience nursing had no impact on my second born and his development, at least anything I noticed. My first was 8 lbs 10 oz and my second was 9 lbs 8 oz so it obviously didn't impact his size. ) And we still had colostrum when he was born. Our bodies are miraculous things. The way I look at it is if your body is ready to have babies it will start ovulating again while nursing. During pregnancy some womens milk dries out while others have no change. It all depends on how much nutrients, calories and of course genetics. The bonus for the older nursling is once the baby comes they get all this yummy milk again. ) HTH Anita ) --- admartin <admartin wrote: I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while pregnant. & nbsp; My 19 month<BR> old is still nursing and & nbsp; I want to wean him soon if nursing him will<BR> intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people say that nursing is<BR> sometimes used as & quot;ineffective & quot; birth control. It seems that my nursing<BR> child would be using stores of nutrition that I would need to carry a baby.<BR> Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby if I'm still nursing<BR> the older child?<BR> I've done research on this issue but haven't found significant information<BR> regarding it.<BR> <BR> ____________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals..ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 , " admartin " <admartin@s...> wrote: > I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while pregnant. I nursed my firstborn all through my second pregnancy and for nine months afterwards, and now I'm nursing my second-born through a third pregnancy. It is getting a little uncomfortable (I'm at 14.5 weeks and my nipples are quite sore), but I wouldn't dream of weaning him just in time to be consumed by jealousy ... as it is, he's very ambivalent at the idea of being replaced as " the baby " . I had no trouble at all conceiving while breastfeeding, either time, and I found the tandem nursing to be just the ticket for dealing with the sibling rivalry. My boys are really good friends and I feel it has something to do with the older one's not being pushed off the breast before he was ready. JME, of course. Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2002 Report Share Posted June 18, 2002 Most of my friends nursed while pregnant (and after...tandem nursing) with no problems. I've just heard it can be a little tiring and tandem nursing takes some getting used to. Good luck! Linda - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 > " admartin " <admartin > Nursing While Pregnant > > I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while pregnant. My 19 month > old is still nursing and I want to wean him soon if nursing him will > intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people say that nursing is > sometimes used as " ineffective " birth control. It seems that my nursing > child would be using stores of nutrition that I would need to carry a baby. > Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby if I'm still nursing > the older child? > I've done research on this issue but haven't found significant information > regarding it. admartin, We were just discussing this on a breastfeeding support list I'm on. I haven't nursed through a pregnancy and won't be getting pregnant again, so I only skimmed the messages, but I recall this much: ~Nursing will NOT interfere with a pregnancy. If your menses have returned, nursing won't prevent pregnancy, either. If your periods haven't returned and you want to start trying to conceive, cutting back on night nursing, or night-weaning, will hurry them back. ~Nursing is ineffective birth control because you won't know if your body has released an egg until you have the period that follows - so you might get pregnant before you ever knew your fertility had returned. ~Nursing an older child becomes secondary to supporting a pregnancy. So if you get pregnant, your body will first feed the fetus, then the older child. You come last. I suggest you boost your healthy caloric intake and don't forget your prenatal vitamins! ~Your milk will be designed for the new baby, and your body will produce colostrum shortly before birth and for the first couple of days after the birth. It'll be a nice healthy shot for your older child. During the pregnancy, several things might happen. Your nipples and/or breasts may become too sensitive to nurse. You may wean your child from this. Or your supply will drop dramatically (common I think in the second trimester, but I forget exactly) and your child will wean from this. Either way, your child may want to resume nursing once the baby has come. Or you'll end up nursing straight through the pregnancy and will have no " effects " . Also, with the changes in the milk, your older child may or may not like the different taste, and may or may not wean because of it. How's that for vague and evasive answers? But that's kind of what it comes down to - many things are possible when you nurse through a pregnancy and into tandem nursing. IMO, it's not at all necessary, and not really even " fair " to the older child, to wean for a second child, but I don't know your situation. Good luck!! Feel free to ask more questions, and if you're interested I'll send you the link to join the (somewhat high-traffic) breastfeeding list. It's a great resource, lots of tandem nursing and twins and pregnancies and working moms... ~Doh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Thanks to all who responded to my question regarding nursing. I needed your personal experiences to be fully convinced that I could still nurse while pregnant without negative consequences! - " A.N.I.T.A " <twoliluns Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:20 PM Re: Nursing While Pregnant > Hi > > I am new to the list and haven't even introduced > myself as yet but am coming out of lurkdom to answer > your questions.... > > I am nursing a 2 and half year old and a 4 year old. > In my experience nursing had no impact on my second > born and his development, at least anything I noticed. > My first was 8 lbs 10 oz and my second was 9 lbs 8 oz > so it obviously didn't impact his size. ) And we > still had colostrum when he was born. Our bodies are > miraculous things. The way I look at it is if your > body is ready to have babies it will start ovulating > again while nursing. During pregnancy some womens > milk dries out while others have no change. It all > depends on how much nutrients, calories and of course > genetics. The bonus for the older nursling is once > the baby comes they get all this yummy milk again. > ) > > HTH > > Anita ) > > --- admartin <admartin wrote: > I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while > pregnant. & nbsp; My 19 month<BR> > old is still nursing and & nbsp; I want to wean him soon > if nursing him will<BR> > intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people > say that nursing is<BR> > sometimes used as & quot;ineffective & quot; birth > control. It seems that my nursing<BR> > child would be using stores of nutrition that I would > need to carry a baby.<BR> > Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby > if I'm still nursing<BR> > the older child?<BR> > I've done research on this issue but haven't found > significant information<BR> > regarding it.<BR> > <BR> > > ____________________ > Post your ad for free now! http://personals..ca > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2002 Report Share Posted June 19, 2002 Yup, my kids were 8lb7oz and 9 even. Not too scrawny! I'm aiming for 9lb 11oz next time and will probably nurse through that one too. Sandra > My first was 8 lbs 10 oz and my second was 9 lbs 8 oz > so it obviously didn't impact his size. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2002 Report Share Posted June 20, 2002 Hi, to add some positive aspects that I don't think any one else has mentioned yet......... An eager nursing big sibling can help a *lot* with any engorgement problems. My big girl (7 now, still feeding a bit and would like a lot more than I let her) loved the job of 'making mummies breasts soft so that little brother could latch on' And tandem feeding can be so sweet, even if a bit hard to work out the logistics at first, as they hold hands and gaze lovingly at each other Also, a strong feeder gives just the right nipple stimulation to encourage contractions if labour is a bit slow getting going. Best wishes for the conception Jenna Thanks to all who responded to my question regarding nursing. I needed your personal experiences to be fully convinced that I could still nurse while pregnant without negative consequences! - " A.N.I.T.A " <twoliluns Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:20 PM Re: Nursing While Pregnant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 The one thing people neglected to mention, however, is that to meet the greater demands on your body, you need to fuel yourself properly. As I'm sure you know, being pregnant, in the 2nd & 3rd trimester, the " normal " weight woman needs to consume an extra 300 calories per day, in addition to 10 more grams of protein than she requires pregravid. (to determine that, multiply .8g Protein by your body weight in kg (1 kg = 2.2 lbs) ). Then, postpartum, if she is nursing, she still needs to consume an additional 300-500 kcal per day to meet the demands of lactation -- and not to worry, when lactating, this amount of calories will not make it difficult to lose the extra weight from pregnancy! In terms of protein, you will actually need about 15 additional grams above your pre-pregnancy needs. Therefore, if you are both pregnant and nursing, keep your body's needs in mind and feed it accordingly so that your fetus will have adequate nutrients to support his or her appropriate gestational growth and that you will continue to nourish your nursing child through your healthy breast milk -- while at the same time, taking care of your own needs so that you have enough extra energy to get through your day! However, you should definitely discuss this with your obstetrician or midwife or whomever you see for your ob/gyn needs, and perhaps even a nutritionist. - admartin Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:11 AM Re: Nursing While Pregnant Thanks to all who responded to my question regarding nursing. I needed your personal experiences to be fully convinced that I could still nurse while pregnant without negative consequences! - " A.N.I.T.A " <twoliluns Tuesday, June 18, 2002 12:20 PM Re: Nursing While Pregnant > Hi > > I am new to the list and haven't even introduced > myself as yet but am coming out of lurkdom to answer > your questions.... > > I am nursing a 2 and half year old and a 4 year old. > In my experience nursing had no impact on my second > born and his development, at least anything I noticed. > My first was 8 lbs 10 oz and my second was 9 lbs 8 oz > so it obviously didn't impact his size. ) And we > still had colostrum when he was born. Our bodies are > miraculous things. The way I look at it is if your > body is ready to have babies it will start ovulating > again while nursing. During pregnancy some womens > milk dries out while others have no change. It all > depends on how much nutrients, calories and of course > genetics. The bonus for the older nursling is once > the baby comes they get all this yummy milk again. > ) > > HTH > > Anita ) > > --- admartin <admartin wrote: > I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while > pregnant. & nbsp; My 19 month<BR> > old is still nursing and & nbsp; I want to wean him soon > if nursing him will<BR> > intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people > say that nursing is<BR> > sometimes used as & quot;ineffective & quot; birth > control. It seems that my nursing<BR> > child would be using stores of nutrition that I would > need to carry a baby.<BR> > Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby > if I'm still nursing<BR> > the older child?<BR> > I've done research on this issue but haven't found > significant information<BR> > regarding it.<BR> > <BR> > > ____________________ > Post your ad for free now! http://personals..ca > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 , " fordknubley2.screaming.net " <jenna@f...> wrote: > > > > Hi, to add some positive aspects that I don't think any one else has mentioned yet......... > > An eager nursing big sibling can help a *lot* with any engorgement problems. That's true. > My big girl (7 now, still feeding a bit and would like a lot more than I let her) loved the job of 'making mummies breasts soft so that little brother could latch on' And tandem feeding can be so sweet, even if a bit hard to work out the logistics at first, as they hold hands and gaze lovingly at each other > Ha! One of the reasons I finally stopped tandem nursing at 9 months (when my oldest was 4), was because the baby had caught on that he had to share and was delivering very shrewd kicks in that direction 8-). I could also never pump while he was nursing ... and he still terrorises his older brother on occasion. Today is his 3rd birthday. It'll be interesting to see how he feels about sharing the breast with a *younger* sibling ... Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 , " robin werner " <RZarensky@m...> wrote: > The one thing people neglected to mention, however, is that to meet the greater demands on your body, you need to fuel yourself properly. As I'm sure you know, being pregnant, in the 2nd & 3rd trimester, the " normal " weight woman needs to consume an extra 300 calories per day, Just to put that in perspective, that's three apples 8-). > in addition to 10 more grams of protein than she requires pregravid. (to determine that, multiply .8g Protein by your body weight in kg (1 kg = 2.2 lbs) ). As you know, the average North American, veg or not, already consumes way more protein than needed anyway. That having been said, I do find that I crave more soy products now. > Then, postpartum, if she is nursing, she still needs to consume an additional 300-500 kcal per day to meet the demands of lactation -- and not to worry, when lactating, this amount of calories will not make it difficult to lose the extra weight from pregnancy! Alas, this is not always true. But Weight Watchers, properly modified for lactation (my leader added an extra 10 points to my range, later reduced to 5 as my baby began to eat a significant amount of solids) helped me get rid of those pesky 40 lbs. > In terms of protein, you will actually need about 15 additional grams above your pre-pregnancy needs. Therefore, if you are both pregnant and nursing, keep your body's needs in mind and feed it accordingly so that your fetus will have adequate nutrients to support his or her appropriate gestational growth and that you will continue to nourish your nursing child through your healthy breast milk -- while at the same time, taking care of your own needs so that you have enough extra energy to get through your day! However, you should definitely discuss this with your obstetrician or midwife or whomever you see for your ob/gyn needs, and perhaps even a nutritionist. Good advice, in general. But I do have one question. Why should an OB know anything about nutrition, or breastfeeding for that matter? They certainly don't learn much about either in medical school. Don't know about midwives, alas I've never been able to use one (by the time they became legal around here, I had become " high-risk " ). But I am generally not impressed with the nutritional or breastfeeding knowledge of MDs, whether of the OB or paediatrician variety ... a nutritionist or lactation consultant is a much better bet. But I'd say that any vegetarian who was eating properly before pregnancy, and listens to her body, can be pregnant and nursing without going into a panic about it. JMHO, of course. It should be added, however, that sometimes nursing *can* interfere with conception, if the woman is on the borderline of infertility. If you try unsuccessfully to conceive, say, for a year, then maybe it would be worth getting an endocrine workup just to determine how your hormone levels are doing, and make a decision based on that. But I certainly wouldn't wean *prospectively*. First try it and see how it goes. Have fun! 8-) Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 FWIW, my mw and doula thought that one of the reasons I took so much " encouragement " to get labor started (I was a week and a half late and about to be risked out of a homebirth, or else I'd have just let things go... but don't even GET me started on that bs) was because I was so totally saturated with oxytocin from nursing so often. My daughter was nursing every couple of hours until the very end of the pregnancy, practically as much as a newborn! Sandra, Eva (3.5) and Raffi (1) > Also, a strong feeder gives just the right nipple stimulation to encourage contractions if labour is a bit slow getting going. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 I found that it made it harder to lose weight, actually. I was not eating ENOUGh to lose! I had to go to WW to learn to eat more. I would highly recommend the nursing mom's plan. Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 LOL, I don't think you even need a strong feeder. When I was labour with my second I avoided my first because every time she would nurse the contractions got so strong. It was soo obvious the nursing was the cause for the stronger contractions. ;O) Anita ) --- " fordknubley2.screaming.net " <jenna wrote: & nbsp; Also, a strong feeder gives just the right nipple stimulation to encourage contractions if labour is a bit slow getting going.<BR> <BR> & nbsp; Best wishes for the conception<BR> <BR> & nbsp; Jenna< ____________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals..ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 In a message dated 6/24/2002 6:03:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, heviatar writes: > Why should an OB > know anything about nutrition, or breastfeeding for that matter? They > certainly don't learn much about either in medical school. Don't know > about midwives, alas I've never been able to use one (by the time they > became legal around here, I had become " high-risk " ). I agree on the ob's not knowing much about nutrition or breastfeeding, most pediatrician's don't know a whole lot about it either. My son's ped's office told me that I needed to give him water at four months old, hello, breastmilk contains water! I don't know about all midwives, but I am 34 weeks pregnant (today!) and I have two wonderful midwives who know quite a bit about nutrition and breastfeeding, they are also well informed about natural healing. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2002 Report Share Posted June 26, 2002 I nursed while pregnant two different times. The first time my daughter stopped nursing on her own about 3mos into the pregnancy ( she was 14 or 15 mos. old). The second time my second daughter quit on her own about 3 or 4 mos into the pregnancy (at 19 mos old)...I didn't think they would quit at firtst...it didn't look like it...but something about that third month...That's as far as I know, I'm sure it does take a toll on your body to do both but am sure someone out there has nursed all the way through. Jackie - " admartin " <admartin Monday, June 17, 2002 9:19 AM Nursing While Pregnant > I was wondering if any of you nursed a child while pregnant. My 19 month > old is still nursing and I want to wean him soon if nursing him will > intefere with a future pregnancy. I know that people say that nursing is > sometimes used as " ineffective " birth control. It seems that my nursing > child would be using stores of nutrition that I would need to carry a baby. > Also, will colostrum flow out when I deliver the baby if I'm still nursing > the older child? > I've done research on this issue but haven't found significant information > regarding it. > > > - > " fordknubley2.screaming.net " <jenna > > Friday, June 14, 2002 5:40 PM > marshmallow recipe > > > > Hi, I got this from > > > > http://www.vegparadise.com/ > > > > I've never tried the recipe, my food processor has not got the stamina, > but I'd love to hear of any success. > > > > " Apparently there was a company called Emes that was the only manufacturer > of vegan marshmallows, but they jes up 'n' quit makin' 'em. Imagine that! > So, Jansie, the next best thing I kin recommend is to make 'em yerself. > Here's Andrea's recipe that jest might do the trick. On the other hand, some > o' the ingredients jes might give yer head a problem. Fer instance, findin' > the Emes Kosher Gelatin, er usin' white sugar. > > > > Andi's Vegan Marshmallows (from Andrea on VegList Digest) > > > > > > 2 1/2 T. vegetable gelatin (Emes Kosher Gel) > > 1 1/2 C. (355 ml) sugar > > 1 C. (237 ml) light corn syrup > > 1/2 C. (118 ml) cold water > > 1/2 C. (118 ml) water at room temperature > > 1/4 t. salt > > 2 T. vanilla extract (or flavoring of your choice) > > Cornstarch for dusting > > 1.. Combine Gel and 1/2 C. (118 ml) COLD water in the bowl of a mixer > with a whisk attachment. Let stand for 1/2 hour. > > 2.. Mix the sugar, corn syrup, salt, and 1/2 C. (118 ml) water in a > saucepan. Stir it over low heat until the sugar is dissolved and a syrup has > formed. > > 3.. Cook it until firmball stage (244 degrees Fahrenheit about 120 C. on > a candy thermometer.) Remove pan from heat, and slowly and carefully pour > the syrup into the gelatin/water mixture in your mixer. Beat the mixture at > high speed until thick, white, and tripled in size, approximately 15 > minutes. (If you stop before this time, you will have marshmallow creme > which you can store in a jar and use like the commercial stuff.) Add the > vanilla and beat just long enough to incorporate it. > > 4.. Dust an 8 " x 12 " (20 cm x 30 cm) glass baking pan with cornstarch. > Pour mixture into pan, and dust the top with more cornstarch. Wet your hands > and pat the mixture to smooth out the top. Dust again. > > 5.. Let stand overnight to dry out, uncovered. Next morning turn the > " marshmallow cake " out onto a board, and cut in into small pieces with a > dry, HOT knife. Dust again. Makes about 45 marshmallows > > Jenna > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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