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My son seems to be shorter than other children and younger children

(non-vegetarians) his age (20 months). He's been below the 50th percentile

in height since birth. I'm considered tall for a woman (5'9 " ) and my

husband is 5'10 " so I expected our child to be a little taller than what he

is now. (I was much taller than my child when I was his age.) I was

wondering if anyone else who has had this experience with a child vegan from

birth, now has a child who has caught up in size with the rest of his peers.

 

 

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" Sandra Mort " <sandra.mort

 

Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:15 AM

Re: Exhausted

 

 

> (I was the one who posted)

>

> Oh absolutely. But if it's clearly a case of not sleeping enough, that's

> probably not necessary.

>

> Thanks anyway!

> Sandra, who had a blissful 12 hour sleep on Monday night (interrupted to

> nurse, of course, but STILL) and feels like a million bucks!

>

> > If the person who posted as " exhausted " is a nursing mother, have your

> > thyroid checked. Pregnancy does have a tendency to wreck havoc on the

> > hormonal system, and thyroid problems are known to hit a few months

> > *after* birth.

>

>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.

>

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My daughter is almost 4 and is also small for her age (35 " , 26#). She was

average ht & wt at birth and through her first year, but then tapered off to

below the 50th percentile for both ht & wt. Our pediatrician put her through

a battery of tests a couple of years ago and couldn't come up with anything

other than she's going to be short (with the possibility of " catching up "

during puberty). She is otherwise healthy, active, developing and learning-

so we're trying not to be too concerned. I'd also like to hear from other

parents who've been through this.

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Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:40:57 -0400

" admartin " <admartin

Growth Concerns

My son seems to be shorter than other children and younger children

(non-vegetarians) his age (20 months). He's been below the 50th percentile

in height since birth. I'm considered tall for a woman (5'9 " ) and my

husband is 5'10 " so I expected our child to be a little taller than what he

is now. (I was much taller than my child when I was his age.) I was

wondering if anyone else who has had this experience with a child vegan from

birth, now has a child who has caught up in size with the rest of his peers.

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I don't think veganism alone can account for growth patterns. My children

have been above the 95th percentile in height and at the 90th percentile

(son - 5) and 70th percentile (daughter - 7) in weight consistently since

birth.

 

The fact that your son has maintained a consistent pattern suggests to me

that it is not nutritional in nature. There are other genes at play...those

that may have been recessive for both you and your husband. What does your

child's doctor say? Are there any health problems?

 

Remember that half of the children of any age, by definition, are below the

50th percentile.

 

Best wishes.

Robin McAlexander

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Don't worry about your son being smaller than the rest. He will catch up.

My daughter was born 4 pounds 12 ounces. She was always smaller than most

and not even on the scale when it came to percentiles. Today she is a

healthy 8 1/2 year old. She is taller than many children and not quite as

big as others. Your sons genes will work themselves through as he gets

older. This should not have anything to do with him being vegan. If there

are other health issues then look into it. As long as he is healthy and

active and on his age level for development then I would not worry about it.

( people gave me crap about being vegetarian when pregnant and when nursing

too and saying that was the cause of her low birth rate and for the reason

she was so petite through toddlerhood) - which of course neither was true).

 

On another story - my cousin's son was born premature and he is in first

grade now and he has totally caught up. ( His parents were worried too as

his father is over 6 feet and his mother is about 5 foot 9 or so). Hi is

not vegetarian but hopefully these 2 stories will help ease your fears.

 

 

 

Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:04 AM

 

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http://www.vrg.org/family.

 

 

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The Time magazine mentioned a couple who was charged with abuse

because they were vegan and raising their child on such a limited diet

that at 18 months he/she was only something like 10 pounds. That's a

very extreme case but it does make me wonder if a strict vegan diet

doesn't interfere with growth? I know that Dr. Spock recommended a

vegan diet for everybody but he said everybody over 2.

 

I don't know if you're still nursing, but that would be the most ideal

source of nutrition for kids under 2. Are you opposed to supplements

like calcium fortified orange juice? The article mentioned that some

vegans are, but I rely on those to make sure my kids get enough

calcium, vitamins, etc. I'm pretty anal about adding up the numbers

just about every day (mentally) to make sure they're getting enough

calcium and protein especially.

 

I'd recommend really taking a look at what he's eating in a typical

day and comparing it to what toddlers need. This article has a

section on toddlers with tips on foods that are ideal for what they

need: http://www.vegsource.com/parent/growing_vegans.htm

 

My kids are short but I'm very short and so is my side of the family,

so it's pretty predictable. The fact that you and your husband are

both tall does seem like a reason to investigate, though it could just

be that he's going to be smaller.

 

I'd really pay attention to his intake just to be sure that he's

getting everything he needs, though. Obviously we want to live

according to our values but this is a crucial time for his growth and

it's really important to be especially conscious.

 

I wasn't raised vegetarian but my mother supported us while putting

herself through school and we lived on mainly vegetables because

that's all she could afford. It definitely stunted my growth. I'm

4'11 " and my family is short but the women are around 5'3 " and nobody

is as short as I am. That may be one reason that I'm especially

concerned about the subject.

 

I don't want to worry you, but knowledge is power. :) It would be a

good idea to talk it over with your doctor, too. She could rule out

other problems and might give you some ideas.

 

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In a message dated 7/11/2002 5:56:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

abayer writes:

 

 

> That's a

> very extreme case but it does make me wonder if a strict vegan diet

> doesn't interfere with growth?

 

 

They weren't vegans, the article stated that they fed their daughter cod

liver oil, that is far from being vegan.

 

Sara

 

 

 

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I have two children (boy 11 and girl 7) both vegetarian since birth and now

vegan for the last 2 years (by their own choice). My daughter has always

been " normal " in size and weight (visually) with her peers. She has a good

appetite.

 

My son on the other hand has always appeared small (granted he has a

November birthdate so he is younger than all his classmates). He doesn't eat

much. He's very picky. It's always a challenge getting protein foods into

him. Especially with our extremely busy lifestyle. Anyway, I'm planning to

write a detailed post about him at a later date. Even though he is

extremely active (plays competitive soccer and practices or has games almost

everyday) he doesn't really eat much. There have been times when his

appetite has picked up, but it's rare. It's been an almost constant battle

since he was 13 months old, to get him to eat. He seems to get low blood

sugar when he doesn't eat enough, and that's another story for another

posting!

 

Anyway, I don't think it (his small stature) has to do with him being vegan

or vegetarian. It has to do with the amount, or lack thereof of food that he

consumes. On any given day, his sister could easily out eat him! She has

also out grown him. She is taller than he was at every given age that we've

measured. (of course he is taller than she is! He's 4 1/2 years older!)

 

I do believe that once he gets an appetite, he'll be growing by leaps and

bounds, so I haven't taken him to a Dr. about his growth rate. Should I?

What could they do? They can't make him eat meat and they can't make him eat

anymore tofu and peanut butter than he already does!

 

Oh and he definitely does grow. Just at a slow rate (but the rate is getting

faster as he nears puberty).

 

By the way, I'm nearly 5'9'' and my husband is 6'2''!

 

Thanks for any advice that you may have, and I'm sorry if I'm depressing the

original poster!

 

Tracy

 

 

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" admartin " <admartin

 

Monday, July 08, 2002 8:40 AM

Growth Concerns

 

 

> My son seems to be shorter than other children and younger children

> (non-vegetarians) his age (20 months). He's been below the 50th

percentile

> in height since birth. I'm considered tall for a woman (5'9 " ) and my

> husband is 5'10 " so I expected our child to be a little taller than what

he

> is now. (I was much taller than my child when I was his age.) I was

> wondering if anyone else who has had this experience with a child vegan

from

> birth, now has a child who has caught up in size with the rest of his

peers.

>

>

> -

> " Sandra Mort " <sandra.mort

>

> Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:15 AM

> Re: Exhausted

>

>

> > (I was the one who posted)

> >

> > Oh absolutely. But if it's clearly a case of not sleeping enough,

that's

> > probably not necessary.

> >

> > Thanks anyway!

> > Sandra, who had a blissful 12 hour sleep on Monday night (interrupted to

> > nurse, of course, but STILL) and feels like a million bucks!

> >

> > > If the person who posted as " exhausted " is a nursing mother, have your

> > > thyroid checked. Pregnancy does have a tendency to wreck havoc on the

> > > hormonal system, and thyroid problems are known to hit a few months

> > > *after* birth.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website

at

> http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.

> >

> >

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On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Tracy Childs wrote:

 

> I do believe that once he gets an appetite, he'll be growing by leaps and

> bounds, so I haven't taken him to a Dr. about his growth rate. Should I?

> What could they do? They can't make him eat meat and they can't make him eat

> anymore tofu and peanut butter than he already does!

 

Do you take him in for regular check-ups? If so, they are keeping track

of his growth already. It may be worth asking about his growth rate the

next time you go it, but it doesn't sound like an emergency. Some kids

are just going to be smaller than others, and that doesn't mean they are

in any way unhealthy. Outside of Lake Wobegone, kids can't all be above

average. ;)

 

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nonexisted in an entirely different way ...

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My 21.5-month-old daughter has been vegan since conception, and she's

always been OFF the weight charts--way above. She's never been a really

big eater; she eats mostly beans, avocado, fruit, corn, etc. She is

still nursing.

 

Remember, a vegan diet is the *most healthful* diet you can feed your

children. If you're concerned about your child not weighing enough,

feed him/her high-fat plant foods like avocado, nuts, coconut, and oils.

 

Sheri

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I don't take him yearly. I haven't found a doctor that we like! They always

keep moving away. He did go regularly when he was little.

 

He is generally much healthier than other kids. Flues, colds and fevers are

very rare (knock on wood). He does however get headaches now and he

complains of being tired this summer. I think it's from all that TV he's

watching! (when he's not playing soccer)

 

Tracy

 

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" Patricia Bullington-McGuire " <patricia

 

Friday, July 12, 2002 9:05 AM

Re: Growth Concerns

 

 

> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Tracy Childs wrote:

>

> > I do believe that once he gets an appetite, he'll be growing by leaps

and

> > bounds, so I haven't taken him to a Dr. about his growth rate. Should I?

> > What could they do? They can't make him eat meat and they can't make him

eat

> > anymore tofu and peanut butter than he already does!

>

> Do you take him in for regular check-ups? If so, they are keeping track

> of his growth already. It may be worth asking about his growth rate the

> next time you go it, but it doesn't sound like an emergency. Some kids

> are just going to be smaller than others, and that doesn't mean they are

> in any way unhealthy. Outside of Lake Wobegone, kids can't all be above

> average. ;)

>

> ----

> Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia

> President, The Arlington Cooperative Organization

>

> The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered

> three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the

> purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each

> nonexisted in an entirely different way ...

> -- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad "

>

>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.

>

>

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--- Tracy Childs <tracychilds wrote:

> I don't take him yearly. I haven't found a doctor

> that we like! They always

> keep moving away. He did go regularly when he was

> little.

>

> He is generally much healthier than other kids.

> Flues, colds and fevers are

> very rare (knock on wood). He does however get

> headaches now and he

> complains of being tired this summer. I think it's

> from all that TV he's

> watching! (when he's not playing soccer)

>

> Tracy

>

Tracy,

 

I normally wouldn't worry about growth concerns

because I think children grow at their own rate and it

is sort of unfair to expect them to follow some chart.

I also don't believe it making an issue of food. I

pretty much as for children eating what they like (I

only keep healthy foods on hand) from what we have. I

think a vegan/vegetarian diet can be very healthy and

kids can really thrive, but there are unhealthy veg*ns

out there too. Not because of the lack of meat, but

because of eating highly processed foods, not enough

variety, etc.

 

I just want you to know where I come from on this. I

think you are the best judge on how your child is

doing and if you feel worried you should probably

listen to your instincts. What worries me at all

about your post was that your son seems tired. This

could be a sign of several things that could be easy

to remedy and others that could be serious. If he is

noticing it enough to mention it I would suggest you

check it out. (Of course, it could be a growth spurt,

some sort of emotional change in his life, etc.)

 

My son has a congenital heart defect so I've read

quite a bit on the subject. He's had no problems with

growth (as most CHD babies with his 'defects' do) on a

vegan diet and he is a super healthy kid. But, I've

read a lot of stories about older children who started

showing heart symptoms later in life (after

infancy/toddlerhood). One of the big symptoms in lack

of energy (this is of course a systom of a lot of

different things) and lack of appetite is another big

one. I feel awful even mentioning this, but I just

know 50% of all kids have heart murmurs (most of

course need no medical attention) and it is not

something that is talked about a lot. Most peds are

not good at detecting heart issues either. I'm sure

it is probably not anything with his heart, but I just

had to mention it.

 

Good luck and I hope his lack of energy is just the

summer heat and too much TV. :-) The fact that he

doesn't get sick easily is a really good sign. Kids

are truly amazing.

 

Linda

 

PS A great book on raising veg kids from PCRM is out

now 'Healthy Eating for Life for Children'. I highly

recommend it.

 

 

 

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Regarding growth concerns,

I have a story about my daughter. She has always been a particular eater. Even

when I was

pregnant, I could hardly eat anything! She and I are vegan, and when she was a

baby, she

really wanted to breastfeed almost exclusively. When she was 18 months, we went

to the

pediatrician because of her having tonsillitis, and the doctor got really upset

and diagnosed

her as " failure to thrive " and wanted me to change our diet. When she was born

she was a

very healthy 8 pound, 10 apgar score baby, but she did not weigh much when she

went to the

doctor, or now for that matter. Her head size was normal, so they weren't

worried about that

too thankfully. She is now 6 years old and 37 pounds, about the middle height of

people her

age, and full of energy and vitality. At the time, when she was 18 months, I was

really upset,

and contacted a friend of mine who is a prominent vegan dietician, Brenda Davis

(she wrote

Becoming Vegetarian and Becoming Vegan). She told me it could be related to a

number of

things: allergies, acid-reflux, stress, too much fiber, not enough calories. She

told me that my

breastfeeding her was what had kept her that healthy though. She suggested that

I give her

organic flax and olive oil, feed her high calorie, concentrated food, use white

flour products, let

her eat as many sweets as she wanted (not candy, but cake, etc), take DHA, and

minimize

the fiber intake. A vegetarian pediatrician that I went to see when she was 3

told me that he

believed it was due to allergies, and I should give her oil and follow what the

dietician had told

me. He said not to worry, she would be fine.

I now believe that along with her allergies, she has an acid reflux problem in

her stomach

where she can only eat a small amount of food before it will start coming up to

her throat, and

she knows when then point is. She just eats small amounts all day long, and I

have to get her

to eat concentrated food.

I continue to keep her on a very healthy diet, and she is a wonder in this area

because she is

a singer and dancer, and we perform for charities, fundraisers, and care

facilities regularly.

If anyone has more questions about more specifics, let me know.

Take care, and feel good about doing what you feel is right,

Victoria

 

 

 

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