Guest guest Posted July 15, 2002 Report Share Posted July 15, 2002 Those are good questions: why must a person insist that his or her children kill animals for food? And how about having him view the latest July 15? issue of Time Magazine, on Should You Be a Vegetarian? Look at the issues. Then what I tell all high school age and junio high school age children: (1) Respect your parents in their providing for you. (2) Learn as much as you can about the medical, nutritional, and scientific facts about vegetarian diet and practice, not merely the animal rights arguments for vegetarian diets. (3) KNow a little about the history of vegetarian diets, including some famous vegetarians of previous centuries. (4) Work hard, study diligently, and don't do anything ostentatious. Avoid the limelight and the bizarre. Get good grades, and stay away from alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and harmful substances and persons, and limit snack and sugary foods. (5) Pay attention to what needs to be done around the home and contribute effort in ways that are really helpful and make good sense, lightening your parents' load. I've never had a parent complain to me yet, but I have had a call from a respectful parent who thanked me for passing on good advice to her daughter. Maynard msc Persian <persian wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 07:58:11PM -0700, Crystal Huyghe wrote: marriage... My marriage isn't bad we just disagree alot on the eating thing (and how to raise our children I say veg he says no), but we respect one another's right to choose how to eat... I loved him before I made my decision What I HAVE to ask is, as I cannot begin to fathom is why does he say no to bringing up your kids veg??? He knows intensive farming is cruel right? I mean you can prove that to him a million ways, it is a fact already so easy to prove. There are pictures and text all over the web. So he is against them being veg for health reasons??? You know that is incorrect and a vegetarian diet and a vegan diet have been proved more healthy than meat eaters. You must already have hundreds of webpages marked that prove it , I know I have. So how can he justify wanting to bring up his children NOT veg? I just don't see how it's possible, what am I missing? thanks Persian Autos - Get free new car price quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2002 Report Share Posted July 16, 2002 Good points. As for your husband knowing all the bad things about meat eating and the benefits of a veg*n diet and still wanting the children to eat meat, it might be a defensive thing. He eats meat and feels that if the children are raised without it they will think less of him. I don't know for sure, of course. Right now my husband (we are both vegetarian) are disagreeing over soy milk. I started our daughter on soy milk, but switched to cow's milk because I thought it would make her life easier - it's everywhere, harder to avoid than meat, etc. Since our son was born, however, I've switched to soy milk myself and have kept him on that. We are not vegan. I'd like to make it there someday, but I guess it's a journey and not something that is going to happen over night. I figure though that milk is something they consume a lot of, so for both health and ethical reasons I'd like to keep him on soy, even though he does have some regular cheese and some ice cream now and then. My husband thinks that it is inconvenient and that he will have problems in school because they don't sell soy milk there, etc. So far he has respected my wishes and not given him cow's milk. Karen - Maynard S. Clark VeganMania (AT) Groups (DOT) com ; Vegetarian-Marriage (AT) Groups (DOT) com ; Veg-Christian Monday, July 15, 2002 6:14 PM Re: significant others... Those are good questions: why must a person insist that his or her children kill animals for food? And how about having him view the latest July 15? issue of Time Magazine, on Should You Be a Vegetarian? Look at the issues. Then what I tell all high school age and junio high school age children: (1) Respect your parents in their providing for you. (2) Learn as much as you can about the medical, nutritional, and scientific facts about vegetarian diet and practice, not merely the animal rights arguments for vegetarian diets. (3) KNow a little about the history of vegetarian diets, including some famous vegetarians of previous centuries. (4) Work hard, study diligently, and don't do anything ostentatious. Avoid the limelight and the bizarre. Get good grades, and stay away from alcohol, tobacco, drugs, and harmful substances and persons, and limit snack and sugary foods. (5) Pay attention to what needs to be done around the home and contribute effort in ways that are really helpful and make good sense, lightening your parents' load. I've never had a parent complain to me yet, but I have had a call from a respectful parent who thanked me for passing on good advice to her daughter. Maynard msc Persian <persian wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2002 at 07:58:11PM -0700, Crystal Huyghe wrote: marriage... My marriage isn't bad we just disagree alot on the eating thing (and how to raise our children I say veg he says no), but we respect one another's right to choose how to eat... I loved him before I made my decision What I HAVE to ask is, as I cannot begin to fathom is why does he say no to bringing up your kids veg??? He knows intensive farming is cruel right? I mean you can prove that to him a million ways, it is a fact already so easy to prove. There are pictures and text all over the web. So he is against them being veg for health reasons??? You know that is incorrect and a vegetarian diet and a vegan diet have been proved more healthy than meat eaters. You must already have hundreds of webpages marked that prove it , I know I have. So how can he justify wanting to bring up his children NOT veg? I just don't see how it's possible, what am I missing? thanks Persian Autos - Get free new car price quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 I think people on this list should be aware of the fact that Maynard Clark is forwarding posts from other lists....so don't bother responding to them, because the person you're addressing isn't on this list and therefore will never see your post. If you want to respond to them directly, just page down until you find their name and email address, and send a private response to them. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2002 Report Share Posted July 17, 2002 On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Karen Detling wrote: > Right now my husband (we are both vegetarian) are disagreeing over soy > milk. I started our daughter on soy milk, but switched to cow's milk > because I thought it would make her life easier - it's everywhere, > harder to avoid than meat, etc. Since our son was born, however, I've > switched to soy milk myself and have kept him on that. We are not > vegan. I'd like to make it there someday, but I guess it's a journey > and not something that is going to happen over night. I figure though > that milk is something they consume a lot of, so for both health and > ethical reasons I'd like to keep him on soy, even though he does have > some regular cheese and some ice cream now and then. My husband thinks > that it is inconvenient and that he will have problems in school because > they don't sell soy milk there, etc. So far he has respected my wishes > and not given him cow's milk. I'm not sure I understand the problem. Why can't the kids just drink soy milk at home and cow's milk at school? If you really want them to stick to soy milk, you could send them to school with single-serving-sized containers of soy milk to go with their lunches. ---- Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia President, The Arlington Cooperative Organization The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely different way ... -- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 The problem is that I want to stick to the soy milk, and he doesn't. - Patricia Bullington-McGuire Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:57 PM Re: Re: significant others... On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Karen Detling wrote: > Right now my husband (we are both vegetarian) are disagreeing over soy > milk. I started our daughter on soy milk, but switched to cow's milk > because I thought it would make her life easier - it's everywhere, > harder to avoid than meat, etc. Since our son was born, however, I've > switched to soy milk myself and have kept him on that. We are not > vegan. I'd like to make it there someday, but I guess it's a journey > and not something that is going to happen over night. I figure though > that milk is something they consume a lot of, so for both health and > ethical reasons I'd like to keep him on soy, even though he does have > some regular cheese and some ice cream now and then. My husband thinks > that it is inconvenient and that he will have problems in school because > they don't sell soy milk there, etc. So far he has respected my wishes > and not given him cow's milk. I'm not sure I understand the problem. Why can't the kids just drink soy milk at home and cow's milk at school? If you really want them to stick to soy milk, you could send them to school with single-serving-sized containers of soy milk to go with their lunches. ---- Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia President, The Arlington Cooperative Organization The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely different way ... -- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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