Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 While I am far from an expert on Bailey my understanding and how I have been taught from that paridgym is that any activities that try specifically to activate the kundalini are dangerous and not to be pursued, yes that is the party line, YET many of the healing practices seem to actually promote K or pave the way for such an activation. Take for example " alligning and attunening " In that proscess you ask for balance in your physical etheric, mental, and emotional vehicles and visualize the energy coming from your base center up the spine and out the crown to a " soul light " above your head, then you visualize the soul light of the person you are offereing the healing to and from both your soul lights imagine energy rising up to the Souce forming a triangle of light. Then coming down from the Source you imagine light, power, and love coming down through both of your soul lights into your heart center where it remains in the client and in you goes back up to your head center out your ajna and to the minor energy centers in your hands. Hey try doing that every day and see if thats not preparing the way for a K awakening! They also stress meditation, study, and some breath work. So they are very much involved in my opinion in K awakening just in a way that is different from the Shaktipa, yoga, Indian patanjali type of methods. Also remember Bailey had this information transmitted in the 1930's (I think) and we are 70 pluss years into the great change of energy cycles she was preparing people for. georgeann --- chrism <> wrote: > Hello all, > Alice Baileys guidance did not want > and wouldn't even mention the Kundalini except to > deny any thought upon it other then it was dangerous > and shouldn't be discussed. Even as folks were in > the throws of activation and awakening. Leaving them > to wander and suffer. Very similar to an activation > inside some ashrams that I know of. I wont judge > them but it strikes me odd that being so apparently > helpful in the vastness of human experience they > would stop at the doorstep of the K. I admit to not > reading all the works so if I'm mistaken I will own > it. Georgann correct me. Isn't this true? > > And yes John, I was pursuing the idea of a spiritual > healing center in Australia, with your leadership. > And then you looked at my 26 year old picture on my > site and apparently lost interest indicating you did > not feel I had a Kundalini flow. ( Selena, Barbara, > and Bret to name a few might disagree) Do you still > have interest in this project? I will attempt this > in the U.S. but it will be more difficult as our > society sinks into the mire of Orwellian > obliteration. Keep me posted mate! - best to all - > chrism john mathieson <j.mathieson wrote: > Hello Georgeann > Alice Bailey is good stuff I am glad you liked it > and its good to meet others that like her writings. > I have not read all the books though I use the > online references quite a bit. I am sorry I do not > know ant thing about Vitvan up to now accept for > what you have motioned and Chiss has posted, > do you mind me asking what do you do to heal I wish > to have some pointers I am quite blind in these > matters and at this stage have little faith in it > though I am eager for practical suggestions. I have > alway felt that healing such as with hands or reiki > was out side of my domain and never really explored > it before. I feel it time to at least of most > experiment. I have a concrete foundation of > knowledge of energy that I need to build on with a > need to express. Healing might be that avenue to > partake in. I think Chris, would agree with me. > All the best. > John Mathieson > - > Georgeann Muntin > > Friday, October 14, 2005 1:41 AM > Re: > Problems of Disciples and Mystics > > > John > thanks for the reading by Bailey. I have been a > student of Bailey through the International > Esoteric > Healing Institute and a pratictioner of esoteric > healing. In the last few years though I have been > focusing more on Vitvan, and American Ancient > Wisdom > teacher, (who died in the late 60's) have you > heard of > him, I have not found many who have read his work > and > am always on the look out for those who have, > georgeann > > --- john mathieson <j.mathieson > wrote: > > > It is in my understanding that within the > practice > > of yoga nigra (sleep consciousness) that one can > > redirect energies to different centres that > works > > toward a homogenous awakekening. This is also > know > > as the diamond state. The state between sleep > and > > wakefulness, it is the state where many psychic > > phenomena happens. such as the well , the > storehouse > > of energy at the top of the head will cause the > bell > > to ring. the vibration difference of the astral > and > > the physical can also be felt. Within this state > of > > mind consciousness, the mind is susceptible to > > suggestion, there fore the best time to service > a > > sankalpa or resolve, In this practice one test > to > > the task of being the observer neither trying to > > attract or dispel thoughts, A state of Viagra ( > > detachment) is there fore achieved. Fear and /or > > guilt is overcome and the gates of harmony > appear. > > > > All the best > > John Mathieson > > > > > > http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/psychology2/psyc2215.html > > To Netnews Homepage Previous Next > > > Index Table of Contents > > > > Esoteric Psychology II - Chapter II - The > Ray > > of Personality - Problems of Disciples and > Mystics > > > > 1. Stimulation produces the awakening of > the > > lower psychic powers if the incoming energy is > > directed to the solar plexus or to the throat > > center. It produces the intense activities of > the > > centers and this can, in the early stages, [535] > > cause definite psychic trouble. In illustration > of > > this I would like to indicate the general nature > of > > the difficulties to which the mystic can be > > physically prone: > > 1.. The awakening of the head center can > > produce serious trouble if brought about > prematurely > > and even lead at times to insanity. Inflammation > of > > certain areas of the brain and certain forms of > > brain tumors can be induced by a too rapid > inflow of > > the highest form of energy which a man can > receive > > prior to initiation. This takes place, however, > only > > in those cases where the man is a highly > developed > > person and of a mental type. In other cases of > > premature soul inflow, the energy pours through > the > > opening at the top of the head and finds its way > to > > some one or other of the centers, according to > the > > ray type or stage of unfoldment. Where the > greatest > > attention of the man's consciousness and life > force > > is focused (even if unconsciously) to that point > the > > incoming energy will almost automatically flow. > > 2.. The awakening of the ajna center > which > > is, as we have seen, primarily the result of the > > development of a man's personality to the point > of > > integration, can (if the energies involved are > not > > correctly controlled) lead to serious eye > trouble, > > to many aural difficulties, to various forms of > > neuritis, headache, migraine, and nerve > difficulties > > in various parts of the body. It can produce > also > > many difficulties connected with the pituitary > body > > and psychological trouble emanating from this > > important controlling gland as well as definite > > physical trouble. > > 3.. The awakening of the heart center > (which > > is going on very rapidly at this time) is > > responsible for many [536] forms of heart > trouble > > and for the various difficulties connected with > the > > autonomic nervous system, particularly in > relation > > to the vagus nerve. The prevalence of various > forms > > of heart disease at this time, particularly > among > > the intelligentsia, professional and financial > > classes, is due to the awakening of this center > and > > to the discovery of an unrecognized capacity in > > humanity to become group conscious, and to > undertake > === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Yes Georgeann I Agree There is more an emphasis on service , which is preparation of the kunalini awakening One is encouraged to have the correct attitude first with already having an out let for the energy. For when it does awaken the disciple is ready. There is also an emphasis on group awareness so that we can help one an other. this is now being exspressed on the internet. The future will be the building of more comunities for like minded souls. Chris and I are in the process of discussing this in the terms of a healing centre in aus though the conversation is not compleate. THE GREAT INVOCATION From the point of Light within the Mind of God Let light stream forth into the minds of men. Let Light descend on Earth. From the point of Love within the Heart of God Let love stream forth into the hearts of men. May Christ return to Earth. From the center where the Will of God is known Let purpose guide the little wills of men - The purpose which the Masters know and serve. From the center which we call the race of men Let the Plan of Love and Light work out And may it seal the door where evil dwells. Let Light and Love and Power restore the Plan on Earth. All the best John Mathieson - Georgeann Muntin Saturday, October 15, 2005 9:10 AM Re: chris/bailey While I am far from an expert on Bailey my understanding and how I have been taught from that paridgym is that any activities that try specifically to activate the kundalini are dangerous and not to be pursued, yes that is the party line, YET many of the healing practices seem to actually promote K or pave the way for such an activation. Take for example " alligning and attunening " In that proscess you ask for balance in your physical etheric, mental, and emotional vehicles and visualize the energy coming from your base center up the spine and out the crown to a " soul light " above your head, then you visualize the soul light of the person you are offereing the healing to and from both your soul lights imagine energy rising up to the Souce forming a triangle of light. Then coming down from the Source you imagine light, power, and love coming down through both of your soul lights into your heart center where it remains in the client and in you goes back up to your head center out your ajna and to the minor energy centers in your hands. Hey try doing that every day and see if thats not preparing the way for a K awakening! They also stress meditation, study, and some breath work. So they are very much involved in my opinion in K awakening just in a way that is different from the Shaktipa, yoga, Indian patanjali type of methods. Also remember Bailey had this information transmitted in the 1930's (I think) and we are 70 pluss years into the great change of energy cycles she was preparing people for. georgeann --- chrism <> wrote: > Hello all, > Alice Baileys guidance did not want > and wouldn't even mention the Kundalini except to > deny any thought upon it other then it was dangerous > and shouldn't be discussed. Even as folks were in > the throws of activation and awakening. Leaving them > to wander and suffer. Very similar to an activation > inside some ashrams that I know of. I wont judge > them but it strikes me odd that being so apparently > helpful in the vastness of human experience they > would stop at the doorstep of the K. I admit to not > reading all the works so if I'm mistaken I will own > it. Georgann correct me. Isn't this true? > > And yes John, I was pursuing the idea of a spiritual > healing center in Australia, with your leadership. > And then you looked at my 26 year old picture on my > site and apparently lost interest indicating you did > not feel I had a Kundalini flow. ( Selena, Barbara, > and Bret to name a few might disagree) Do you still > have interest in this project? I will attempt this > in the U.S. but it will be more difficult as our > society sinks into the mire of Orwellian > obliteration. Keep me posted mate! - best to all - > chrism > > > > > > > john mathieson <j.mathieson wrote: > Hello Georgeann > Alice Bailey is good stuff I am glad you liked it > and its good to meet others that like her writings. > I have not read all the books though I use the > online references quite a bit. I am sorry I do not > know ant thing about Vitvan up to now accept for > what you have motioned and Chiss has posted, > do you mind me asking what do you do to heal I wish > to have some pointers I am quite blind in these > matters and at this stage have little faith in it > though I am eager for practical suggestions. I have > alway felt that healing such as with hands or reiki > was out side of my domain and never really explored > it before. I feel it time to at least of most > experiment. I have a concrete foundation of > knowledge of energy that I need to build on with a > need to express. Healing might be that avenue to > partake in. I think Chris, would agree with me. > All the best. > John Mathieson > - > Georgeann Muntin > > Friday, October 14, 2005 1:41 AM > Re: > Problems of Disciples and Mystics > > > John > thanks for the reading by Bailey. I have been a > student of Bailey through the International > Esoteric > Healing Institute and a pratictioner of esoteric > healing. In the last few years though I have been > focusing more on Vitvan, and American Ancient > Wisdom > teacher, (who died in the late 60's) have you > heard of > him, I have not found many who have read his work > and > am always on the look out for those who have, > georgeann > > --- john mathieson <j.mathieson > wrote: > > > It is in my understanding that within the > practice > > of yoga nigra (sleep consciousness) that one can > > redirect energies to different centres that > works > > toward a homogenous awakekening. This is also > know > > as the diamond state. The state between sleep > and > > wakefulness, it is the state where many psychic > > phenomena happens. such as the well , the > storehouse > > of energy at the top of the head will cause the > bell > > to ring. the vibration difference of the astral > and > > the physical can also be felt. Within this state > of > > mind consciousness, the mind is susceptible to > > suggestion, there fore the best time to service > a > > sankalpa or resolve, In this practice one test > to > > the task of being the observer neither trying to > > attract or dispel thoughts, A state of Viagra ( > > detachment) is there fore achieved. Fear and /or > > guilt is overcome and the gates of harmony > appear. > > > > All the best > > John Mathieson > > > > > > http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/psychology2/psyc2215.html > > To Netnews Homepage Previous Next > > > Index Table of Contents > > > > Esoteric Psychology II - Chapter II - The > Ray > > of Personality - Problems of Disciples and > Mystics > > > > 1. Stimulation produces the awakening of > the > > lower psychic powers if the incoming energy is > > directed to the solar plexus or to the throat > > center. It produces the intense activities of > the > > centers and this can, in the early stages, [535] > > cause definite psychic trouble. In illustration > of > > this I would like to indicate the general nature > of > > the difficulties to which the mystic can be > > physically prone: > > 1.. The awakening of the head center can > > produce serious trouble if brought about > prematurely > > and even lead at times to insanity. Inflammation > of > > certain areas of the brain and certain forms of > > brain tumors can be induced by a too rapid > inflow of > > the highest form of energy which a man can > receive > > prior to initiation. This takes place, however, > only > > in those cases where the man is a highly > developed > > person and of a mental type. In other cases of > > premature soul inflow, the energy pours through > the > > opening at the top of the head and finds its way > to > > some one or other of the centers, according to > the > > ray type or stage of unfoldment. Where the > greatest > > attention of the man's consciousness and life > force > > is focused (even if unconsciously) to that point > the > > incoming energy will almost automatically flow. > > 2.. The awakening of the ajna center > which > > is, as we have seen, primarily the result of the > > development of a man's personality to the point > of > > integration, can (if the energies involved are > not > > correctly controlled) lead to serious eye > trouble, > > to many aural difficulties, to various forms of > > neuritis, headache, migraine, and nerve > difficulties > > in various parts of the body. It can produce > also > > many difficulties connected with the pituitary > body > > and psychological trouble emanating from this > > important controlling gland as well as definite > > physical trouble. > > 3.. The awakening of the heart center > (which > > is going on very rapidly at this time) is > > responsible for many [536] forms of heart > trouble > > and for the various difficulties connected with > the > > autonomic nervous system, particularly in > relation > > to the vagus nerve. The prevalence of various > forms > > of heart disease at this time, particularly > among > > the intelligentsia, professional and financial > > classes, is due to the awakening of this center > and > > to the discovery of an unrecognized capacity in > > humanity to become group conscious, and to > undertake > === message truncated === Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 You did that every day? What a great headstart into the K! All that preparation but no help when the K comes up. hmmm. I like what you write about the Jin Shin and the way you bring the K into that is quite nice and quite effective too. I hope things continue on your path, rich with facinations and discovery. - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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