Of absolute followers and discernment on the spiritual path

[Guest guest]

Hi Selena,

Well, if they didn't like Your take on the New Age, they

certainly won't like MINE...Ha! I entered the New Age culture back in

the early 80's. I now consider myself as one who entered, and spit

myself out the other end.....if one can be a " recovering Catholic "

(as per Caroline Myss), then I am a recovering New Ager.

For the record, having lived in the bible-belt, I can tell you

without hesitation, that there is No difference between a fanatical

southern baptist and a fanatical new ager....the gleam in the eye is

the same, and so is the resistance to new knowledge and information.

I became severely disillusioned during that time, when I was

witness to new agers stepping over homeless people and drunks with an

insensitive and arrogant " that's His/her karma.....life path...etc.

etc " never even considering that the person in question might have

been put their for Them and Their learning....like, maybe a lesson in

compassion, perhaps.

AND....I was in a new age bookstore in.....heck, I can't even

remember where now, but a man wearing a robe, with an enterage in

tow, entered the bookstore and at one point noticed me. He said, " I

know you, or I knew you in a past lifetime " . I said, " no, I dont'

believe so " . He said, " oh, you just don't remember....but it's

True " . I just looked at him, and one of his little disciples came

over and said, " you must feel really blessed that he even noticed

you " . Again...Renee was not impressed, because Renee is well aware of

what it feels like to meet someone from past lifetimes, and she had

never met this man on any plane. I'm still not impressed, or

feeling " blessed " over it.

I have noticed the trends over that time period, as well. I had

begun channeling in the 80's....only to receive guidance that it

would take too much of my energy, and I was instead supposed to throw

myself into raising my children, who were infants and toddler at the

time. At that point in time, you were not " really " channeling anyone,

unless they were from ancient times. A decade later, your channeled

material was not any good unless you were channeling an Alien entity.

When that got old, something else " new " had to come thru.

I have followed Crimson Circle, Kryon, and Abraham Hicks, to name

a few. I've gotten into some terrible squabbles, and even thrown off

message boards by arguing with A-Hicks believers that we create 100%

of our reality. I myself, have seen strong evidence of Sacred

Contracts, and Divine Purpose......but I'm not getting off on that

rant right now.

The gurus that I continue to return to are Dyer, Zukav, Myss,

CWG/Walsh. And, within the time that I have been following their

teachings, as they have morphed over time....I find that each of them

begins to put out material that is the same message. Right now, the

message for the masses is to learn to forgive, and to love. As I

follow the teachings that are coming out of these people, and pull

back to more impartial observer standpoint, I see clearly that they

are moving us, those of us who pay attention...en masse towards some

sort of ascension....in preparation, I believe, for some sort of mass

calamity. I believe that the groups of people experiencing the K

rising are a part of that.

The children being born since the 80's....at first they were

labeled Indigos, but are now referred to as both Indigo and Crystal,

depending on whether they are tech-gifted, or artistically

gifted....are being born that way for a purpose. In my own

children...I was in the 4-Corners area of Colorado for exactly two

years, within the sacred energy of the Sleeping Ute, which is an

energy that is unique in the country.....and I gave birth to three

children, who I believe carry that energy. Who are all, in spite of

being male, able to utilize both sides of their brain at the same

time. The children who are born Indigos and Crystals are a step up in

humanity. My sons are gifted artistically, as well as left-brained

scholastically, and at a level that has not been seen in their

ancestry to this point. This generation of children may very well

save the world, in some fashion.

And, yes, Sel, I agree, everyone wants a quick fix...including me.

It's an ego driven desire to not have to endure anything painful, and

to " get it " fast. That's a bit hard to overcome some days. It's even

harder for me on the days when I'm mad because I can't figure out how

come Eckert Tolle, Byron Katie, David R. Hawkins....to name a few,

had sudden awakenings, and....as much as I study what happened to

them, I can't seem to get it to happen for ME....sounds stupid, but

hey, what makes Them so special that they can become spiritual and

overcome ego OverNite??! (Just asking...ha!) Namaste, Renee

 

 

 

 

, " selena230 "

<selena230> wrote:

>

> The more I look into the New Age subculture, the more it strikes me

> that so many folks out there are just desperate to find a pre-

packaged

> answer to all their questions. Many of them will buy into anything,

> till they are ready to move on to the next theory dished out by yet

> another guru-of-the-day. Needless to say, consumer capitalism has a

> ball with these folks--always ready to buy the latest book,

> meditational CD, magazine subscription, magic potion, crystal, etc.

in

> their quest for external guidance and escape from themselves.

>

> I am not speaking against faith and belief. However, I think that we

> shouldn't be too eager to shed our power of discrimination as we

> approach the spiritual path. Willingness to buy into any nonsense

just

> because it is out there won't do anybody any good. As I always tell

my

> students, there is so much more value in pausing and thinking

> critically instead of gobbling up whatever story we are being fed.

> Somebody wrote that all you need to know about yourself, the world,

> and the divine is inside you already. Reaching out won't help, if

you

> are not willing to look inside.

>

> I hope nobody will feel hurt by my observations. Some folks may

object

> that I am a snobbish academic trapped in duality. Maybe. But I also

> feel that gullibility is part of the reason why so many New

> Agers have made, and keep making, so many mistakes--falling prey to

> exploitative gurus, abdicating their humanity, succumbing to

extremist

> ideologies just to mention a few.

>

> Critical thinking is not the opposite of faith. It's its necessary

> complement on a difficult, and often slippery, path.

>

> Love to all,

>

> Sel

>

[Guest guest]

Wow Renee, you have been through your share of New Age stuff, have

you? ;-) Sounds like the more you get hung on those folks, the less

you can accomplish for yourself. I'd say, drop the gurus, relax, and

don't stress over your quest. Spiritual transformation seems to happen

at its own pace, rather than ours. From what I understand, a key to it

is to be inward- rather than outward-oriented, and to surrender to the

beauty and the harmony of the All that is inside us.

 

Funny that I talk about surrender--it certainly didn't come easy to me

at all--right Chris? :-)

 

Hope I don't sound too much like one of those big-mouthed gurus...

 

Love, light, and laughter

 

Sel

 

 

 

, " reneedots "

<reneedots> wrote:

>

> Hi Selena,

> Well, if they didn't like Your take on the New Age, they

> certainly won't like MINE...Ha! I entered the New Age culture back in

> the early 80's. I now consider myself as one who entered, and spit

> myself out the other end.....if one can be a " recovering Catholic "

> (as per Caroline Myss), then I am a recovering New Ager.

> For the record, having lived in the bible-belt, I can tell you

> without hesitation, that there is No difference between a fanatical

> southern baptist and a fanatical new ager....the gleam in the eye is

> the same, and so is the resistance to new knowledge and information.

> I became severely disillusioned during that time, when I was

> witness to new agers stepping over homeless people and drunks with an

> insensitive and arrogant " that's His/her karma.....life path...etc.

> etc " never even considering that the person in question might have

> been put their for Them and Their learning....like, maybe a lesson in

> compassion, perhaps.

> AND....I was in a new age bookstore in.....heck, I can't even

> remember where now, but a man wearing a robe, with an enterage in

> tow, entered the bookstore and at one point noticed me. He said, " I

> know you, or I knew you in a past lifetime " . I said, " no, I dont'

> believe so " . He said, " oh, you just don't remember....but it's

> True " . I just looked at him, and one of his little disciples came

> over and said, " you must feel really blessed that he even noticed

> you " . Again...Renee was not impressed, because Renee is well aware of

> what it feels like to meet someone from past lifetimes, and she had

> never met this man on any plane. I'm still not impressed, or

> feeling " blessed " over it.

> I have noticed the trends over that time period, as well. I had

> begun channeling in the 80's....only to receive guidance that it

> would take too much of my energy, and I was instead supposed to throw

> myself into raising my children, who were infants and toddler at the

> time. At that point in time, you were not " really " channeling anyone,

> unless they were from ancient times. A decade later, your channeled

> material was not any good unless you were channeling an Alien entity.

> When that got old, something else " new " had to come thru.

> I have followed Crimson Circle, Kryon, and Abraham Hicks, to name

> a few. I've gotten into some terrible squabbles, and even thrown off

> message boards by arguing with A-Hicks believers that we create 100%

> of our reality. I myself, have seen strong evidence of Sacred

> Contracts, and Divine Purpose......but I'm not getting off on that

> rant right now.

> The gurus that I continue to return to are Dyer, Zukav, Myss,

> CWG/Walsh. And, within the time that I have been following their

> teachings, as they have morphed over time....I find that each of them

> begins to put out material that is the same message. Right now, the

> message for the masses is to learn to forgive, and to love. As I

> follow the teachings that are coming out of these people, and pull

> back to more impartial observer standpoint, I see clearly that they

> are moving us, those of us who pay attention...en masse towards some

> sort of ascension....in preparation, I believe, for some sort of mass

> calamity. I believe that the groups of people experiencing the K

> rising are a part of that.

> The children being born since the 80's....at first they were

> labeled Indigos, but are now referred to as both Indigo and Crystal,

> depending on whether they are tech-gifted, or artistically

> gifted....are being born that way for a purpose. In my own

> children...I was in the 4-Corners area of Colorado for exactly two

> years, within the sacred energy of the Sleeping Ute, which is an

> energy that is unique in the country.....and I gave birth to three

> children, who I believe carry that energy. Who are all, in spite of

> being male, able to utilize both sides of their brain at the same

> time. The children who are born Indigos and Crystals are a step up in

> humanity. My sons are gifted artistically, as well as left-brained

> scholastically, and at a level that has not been seen in their

> ancestry to this point. This generation of children may very well

> save the world, in some fashion.

> And, yes, Sel, I agree, everyone wants a quick fix...including me.

> It's an ego driven desire to not have to endure anything painful, and

> to " get it " fast. That's a bit hard to overcome some days. It's even

> harder for me on the days when I'm mad because I can't figure out how

> come Eckert Tolle, Byron Katie, David R. Hawkins....to name a few,

> had sudden awakenings, and....as much as I study what happened to

> them, I can't seem to get it to happen for ME....sounds stupid, but

> hey, what makes Them so special that they can become spiritual and

> overcome ego OverNite??! (Just asking...ha!) Namaste, Renee

>

>

>

>

> , " selena230 "

> <selena230> wrote:

> >

> > The more I look into the New Age subculture, the more it strikes me

> > that so many folks out there are just desperate to find a pre-

> packaged

> > answer to all their questions. Many of them will buy into anything,

> > till they are ready to move on to the next theory dished out by yet

> > another guru-of-the-day. Needless to say, consumer capitalism has a

> > ball with these folks--always ready to buy the latest book,

> > meditational CD, magazine subscription, magic potion, crystal, etc.

> in

> > their quest for external guidance and escape from themselves.

> >

> > I am not speaking against faith and belief. However, I think that we

> > shouldn't be too eager to shed our power of discrimination as we

> > approach the spiritual path. Willingness to buy into any nonsense

> just

> > because it is out there won't do anybody any good. As I always tell

> my

> > students, there is so much more value in pausing and thinking

> > critically instead of gobbling up whatever story we are being fed.

> > Somebody wrote that all you need to know about yourself, the world,

> > and the divine is inside you already. Reaching out won't help, if

> you

> > are not willing to look inside.

> >

> > I hope nobody will feel hurt by my observations. Some folks may

> object

> > that I am a snobbish academic trapped in duality. Maybe. But I also

> > feel that gullibility is part of the reason why so many New

> > Agers have made, and keep making, so many mistakes--falling prey to

> > exploitative gurus, abdicating their humanity, succumbing to

> extremist

> > ideologies just to mention a few.

> >

> > Critical thinking is not the opposite of faith. It's its necessary

> > complement on a difficult, and often slippery, path.

> >

> > Love to all,

> >

> > Sel

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You already have that special " it " Renee and " it " is available for you to use.

Speaking from a male perspective that is obviously whacked - love chrism

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

r--it certainly didn't come easy to me

at all--right Chris? :-)

 

 

OHHHHHHHH MMMMMYYYYYYY GGGGGOOOODDDDDD or..... um...... I mean....... Im sure it

didnt (smile)