Guest guest Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Dear Selena Yes you are correct we have all got male female properties within us all I am glad that you brought that to the forefront. Trying to escape the box. It is not that only women suffer the consequences of gender association men do as well. I did tent to try and highlight that with out saying to much. I must beg your pardon for I did write with a tongue in cheek to arouse thought. It is a precarious topic that effects so many of us in more ways than one. The Australian Aboriginals before white man had a very harmonious situation to deal with marrying the genders how ever our society is bend on commercialism where there is limited natural law as we are all in perpetual for a state of war. Weather this good or bad it is what we have to accept until we either go back to cave men times witch is anti evolution. In the case of pro evolution that most of us to we awaken the shakti with the mind and we marry them in a higher duality. However the in between stages of purging an clearing the way, many unnecessary concepts leading up to enlightenment need to be discarded. Many previous ideals were not a mater of contention as we had all separate duties between genders needed to be performed. To ward the development of mankind, in the higher sence of creativity. Ideas and ideals are conceived outside the physical existence that is manifested in the material world gender has no place at all. The physical reliance on this may be that we have access telepathically to each and others thoughts to be shared amongst one an other. Through the physical marriage of the piturity and pineal ductless glands, or rather, the etheric activation of those corresponding centres worked in unison. in these case the properties of physical existence that is of needed duality is maintained and expression is through the heart or throat. This is topsy terby to the state of the majority of the conscious population we have now. This is the achievement towards the ideology and concepts towards a future race. Most people now can be presented with these ideals of an evolutionary swing after they have experienced the kundalini shakti but not before. Till then they can only be chanelers at varying degrees and such things in the long run need to be renounced. This is why three awakenings of the kudalini is needed to become a master. The first awakening allows us to deal with the fears and the association of physical existence and astral existence. Then emotional, astral through to mental and then mental through to spiritual. Each time working through there concepts. I have been told when a child is born and the parents could awaken the kundalini at birth. Again when it at the age of five years, also the child when it becomes an adult has to awaken it there themself or there guru could. Om tat sat om Jaganatha - selena230 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:20 AM Of Male Masters and " Naturally " Surrendered Females Just a word of caution on gendering the metaphysical: A quick look at how gender roles and dominant ideas about masculinity and femininity vary across time and space is enough to show that there is very little " nature " indeed in the way we construct and represent gender roles today (or in the past, for that sake). Gender (which is not the same as sex) is a social and cultural construct. The claim that " women's nature is passive, submissive, receptive (etc.) " is the product of an ideological constellation whose only purpose is to put women in their place (usually the kitchen). Surrender is not a " natural " behavior for women. Rather, we learn it the hard way, since the day we are born. If we are not good at surrendering by the time we are adults, we get punished in a variety of ways--some of which are subtle and almost intangible (scorn, neglect, social pressure), others are pretty brutal (physical violence, denial of reproductive rights, rape, etc.). Historically, gender domination began about ten thousand years ago. Prior to that time, most hunter and gatherer societies had very little in the way of gendered division of labor (yes, women hunted, and yes, men cooked and took care of kids). With the onset of agriculture as a mode of production, however, the division of labor intensified along lines of gender, class, and ethnicity. As a matter of fact, all of these social categories were conveniently devised to serve the purposes of dominant groups. Hence, the same social, economic, and political processes that led to gender inequality produced social stratification by class, ethnicity, and race, just to name a few. Over the last few centuries, the spread of capitalism and Christianity through colonialism further intensified the " natural-ness " of gender roles as we have them today in much of the world. Saying that it is " natural " for women to surrender and obey to men is equivalent to claiming that one race is " naturally " superior to others, or that certain nation-states have the right to invade and dominate others because they are more " civilized " . The fact that nowadays gender inequality is regarded as " natural " and more acceptable than other types of social injustice is very unfortunate, but it also speaks to the power of ideology in numbing our minds to what is really going on at a deeper level. Please don't take me wrong: I am not saying that there are people in this list who are willingly reproducing patriarchal domination. God forbid. The point is: ideology is so powerful because it works below the level of consciousness, and is taken for granted by most. As a famous sociologist put it, ideology " goes without saying, because it comes without saying. " Hence, a lot of people to pretty nefarious ideologies not because they are power-hungry or evil individuals, but rather because they do not question the status quo. Others realize that, if they ask too many questions, they will be punished--so they give up the struggle and opt for the path of least resistance instead. Generally speaking, we spiritual folks are so concerned with exploring other spheres of existence that we occasionally forget to keep in touch with the social, cultural, and political implications of life on the physical plane. As we do so, we may overlook the extent to which these dymensions shape the way we conceptualize spiritual experience. Enlightened though we might be, as physical beings we are still members of a society and a culture after all (even though we might not like it). Hence, I hope my frankness did not offend anyone's sensibility. From the perspective of the female tantrika (and born-again Hindu LOL!): In the complex constellation of beliefs and practices that goes by the name of Hindu Tantra, the female energy Kundalini Shakti is invariably represented as fiercely active. Shiva, the male principle, is passive. This is why much of tantric iconography depicts Kali (i.e., Shakti) as she dances wildly on Shiva's body. The latter lies flat on the ground, in an unquestionably passive and receptive pose. Interesting, isn't it? Love, light, and laughter, Sel PS I am going to try and upload a tantric Shakti/Shiva pic in the Photos section. 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