Dismemberment and Specters

[Guest guest]

Oh Hello-

 

Anyway, this idea of dismemberment frightens me. I am also frightened

by the prospect o seeing some specter activity like Selena has

described. When I was a boy I would ask any ghost that might be there

to not show themselves to me. I think I still feel the same way. I have

had many experiences with entities, benevolent and otherwise, but I

have only felt their presence except on one occasion. I do want to see

something on the ethereal plane, but not sure I would like something

other than the beautiful ball of light that radiates love and peace.

But this all leads to my story of last night.

 

I awoke in the middle of the night from a series of odd dreams (which I

won't go into). As I was awakening laying on my back I heard these

words, " Don't let the big one bite or the bits will die in your sleep. "

So pronounced was this that I repeated it to myself to not forget it.

Other than having a nice poetic sound to it, I wondered if it had to do

with dismemberment as this has been on topic on the list and has gotten

my attention. Then over the next couple of seconds a loud roaring came

up in my ears that I felt as a buzzing pressure all down my ear canals

to my ear drums like the wind blowing in my ears. I started as well to

feel a strong static electricity feeling all over my body and in my

closed eyes I started to see vibrating fields and arcs of light. I

thought that this must be what others speak of in their K experiences.

I surrendered to it trying to get further into the dream like feel of

the experience, but I kept thinking of the words I heard. Was my

dismemberment imminent? But I wondered, how do I surrender to this

while still being protective of the bite of the big one? Then I heard

foot steps prowling on the wooden steps that surround my room, a sound

that usually peaks my attention. I thought again, surrender, surrender

and trust my diamond body, all the while getting more nervous about the

prospect. As the steps came to my door my vigilant mind pulled me away

from the experience, the steps faded as did all the other sensations

and it felt as if I awoke again but still finding myself in the same

position, laying on my back.

 

So now I am in a minor quandary of weather this was a half dream of a K

experience or a K experience, though I am sure would say it

doesn't really matter.

 

Many Blessings

 

Bret

 

 

On Jan 6, 2006, at 11:19 PM, galvezbarbara wrote:

 

> I have had this happen to me. I started my laying meditation and

> about two plus hours into it I saw my heart beating about twelve

> inches above my face. I work in the medical field and have my own

> stethoscope. The bell of my stethoscope was on my heart and the ear

> pieces in my ears. I could see and hear my own heart beating. I

> thought " this is something " . Atleast I know I'm still alive. In my

> peripheral vision I could see my body parts moving away from what I

> know should be my body. At that time I knew I was being rearranged.

> I thanked who ever they are for distracting me from seeing the

> dismemberment. It was wonderful to know I was still alive and didn't

> feel any fear or pain. I'm very fortunate to have these wonderful

> spirit guides taking care of me. Just a few nights ago once again in

> my meditation I had this white bone, shaped like a rounded arrow

> about three inches wide and six inches long go up the back of my

> neck into my head. The thought of this makes me cringe but I didn't

> feel any pain. I did hear lots of loud cracking splitting movement

> as the arrow widened my neck three times. One time after another but

> yet I didn't feel any pain and didn't have any fear about it. I am

> very visual and see things as they happen. I don't think about what

> I'm seeing. I just observe and evaluate after my observations.

>

> BB

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Testing the fear response is a continual aspect until they are cleared and our

attitude is one of joyful omnipotence with a strong Bhakti finish. blessings -

chrism

 

Bret Arenson <bretarenson wrote: Oh Hello-

 

Anyway, this idea of dismemberment frightens me. I am also frightened

by the prospect o seeing some specter activity like Selena has

described. When I was a boy I would ask any ghost that might be there

to not show themselves to me. I think I still feel the same way. I have

had many experiences with entities, benevolent and otherwise, but I

have only felt their presence except on one occasion. I do want to see

something on the ethereal plane, but not sure I would like something

other than the beautiful ball of light that radiates love and peace.

But this all leads to my story of last night.

 

I awoke in the middle of the night from a series of odd dreams (which I

won't go into). As I was awakening laying on my back I heard these

words, " Don't let the big one bite or the bits will die in your sleep. "

So pronounced was this that I repeated it to myself to not forget it.

Other than having a nice poetic sound to it, I wondered if it had to do

with dismemberment as this has been on topic on the list and has gotten

my attention. Then over the next couple of seconds a loud roaring came

up in my ears that I felt as a buzzing pressure all down my ear canals

to my ear drums like the wind blowing in my ears. I started as well to

feel a strong static electricity feeling all over my body and in my

closed eyes I started to see vibrating fields and arcs of light. I

thought that this must be what others speak of in their K experiences.

I surrendered to it trying to get further into the dream like feel of

the experience, but I kept thinking of the words I heard. Was my

dismemberment imminent? But I wondered, how do I surrender to this

while still being protective of the bite of the big one? Then I heard

foot steps prowling on the wooden steps that surround my room, a sound

that usually peaks my attention. I thought again, surrender, surrender

and trust my diamond body, all the while getting more nervous about the

prospect. As the steps came to my door my vigilant mind pulled me away

from the experience, the steps faded as did all the other sensations

and it felt as if I awoke again but still finding myself in the same

position, laying on my back.

 

So now I am in a minor quandary of weather this was a half dream of a K

experience or a K experience, though I am sure would say it

doesn't really matter.

 

Many Blessings

 

Bret

 

 

On Jan 6, 2006, at 11:19 PM, galvezbarbara wrote:

 

> I have had this happen to me. I started my laying meditation and

> about two plus hours into it I saw my heart beating about twelve

> inches above my face. I work in the medical field and have my own

> stethoscope. The bell of my stethoscope was on my heart and the ear

> pieces in my ears. I could see and hear my own heart beating. I

> thought " this is something " . Atleast I know I'm still alive. In my

> peripheral vision I could see my body parts moving away from what I

> know should be my body. At that time I knew I was being rearranged.

> I thanked who ever they are for distracting me from seeing the

> dismemberment. It was wonderful to know I was still alive and didn't

> feel any fear or pain. I'm very fortunate to have these wonderful

> spirit guides taking care of me. Just a few nights ago once again in

> my meditation I had this white bone, shaped like a rounded arrow

> about three inches wide and six inches long go up the back of my

> neck into my head. The thought of this makes me cringe but I didn't

> feel any pain. I did hear lots of loud cracking splitting movement

> as the arrow widened my neck three times. One time after another but

> yet I didn't feel any pain and didn't have any fear about it. I am

> very visual and see things as they happen. I don't think about what

> I'm seeing. I just observe and evaluate after my observations.

>

> BB

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

Tara,

Bicycles are self propelled. The K also propels itself. This

dismemberment will occur for you in a safe and secure venue whether you plan it

that way or not. Your K is well aware of the responsibilities in your life. As

you surrender, things will go as they should.- You are not alone in this

process, much love and consideration is being directed to you and yours - love

- chrism

 

tara_tuttare <tara_tuttare wrote:

Perhaps would post the message I sent to him personally. Would you?

This subject

has been on my mind continually for the last few days. I have been looking up

information

on the internet and in books I have to help prepare me. I have given much

thought to

where I would go to allow this to take place in safety and privacy.

 

Thank you Barbara for sharing your experience. It makes it more real and less

frightening

for me. Nothing is happening out of the ordinary for me at the moment, other

than I have

been dreaming alot about riding bicycles, ha ha. Brett, you are probably closer

to this

than I am right now. They are knocking on your door! Go in courage brother.

 

I want to share a passage I got from a book on Taditional Symbols by J.C.

Cooper:

 

Dismemberment: The death and rebirth symbolism of initiation; the necessity of

the death

of the self before reintegration and rebirth; the two complementary phases of

disentegration and reintegration. It also represents unity giving way to

fragmentation,

multiplicity and disintegration of creation, the many rising out of the One.

Dismemberment is closely connected with sacrifice. Gods, such as Osiris,

Zagreus,

Dionysos, dismembered and scattered and reintegrated, represent the mulitplicity

of the

manifest world in creation and the final restoration of primordial unity.

Mystic

dismemberment can be a feature of the initiation of a Shaman.

 

But we already knew this didn't we? El Collie wrote about it in her website as

an inevitable

part of the kundalini journey. May we all face our own initiation with bravery

and trust.

 

Tara

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Brett,

 

From my own experience I've found the buzzing in the ears is a sign

of an out of body experience, or work being done on us, or by K in

some way. I don't know exactly how it works, just I've had it happen

so often now I use it as a signal to 'get ready'.

 

Before K awakened I used to have a lot of out of body experiences

because of my long meditation sessions so it appears to be related to

OBE's and spiritual experiences that aren't only for K people.

 

Also, when the true self is emerging from within it can often be felt

that an intruder is trying to get in. This can feel very real and

fear arises, usually because of the Ego feeling threatened. It will

be so real that we will hear footsteps outside our door or someone

trying to break into our home.

 

I take precautions anyway, just in case someone *is* trying to get

into the house but usually it ends up it's all in my mind

 

I love and embrace the entity though I did get tricked once into

allowing an enitity in that wasn't my own. This I realised was also

to learn about 'discernment' and how to use my own hightened

awareness to test energies and just check to see who they are and

what they want. Part of a Shamanic learning.

 

Eventually it will all settle down and there will only be peace and

love, everything else happens automatically and with balance and

strength we won't be tested and annoyed by these little events

 

peace

Amaargi

 

 

 

 

 

, Bret Arenson

<bretarenson@i...> wrote:

>

> Oh Hello-

>

> Anyway, this idea of dismemberment frightens me. I am also

frightened

> by the prospect o seeing some specter activity like Selena has

> described. When I was a boy I would ask any ghost that might be

there

> to not show themselves to me. I think I still feel the same way. I

have

> had many experiences with entities, benevolent and otherwise, but I

> have only felt their presence except on one occasion. I do want to

see

> something on the ethereal plane, but not sure I would like

something

> other than the beautiful ball of light that radiates love and

peace.

> But this all leads to my story of last night.

>

> I awoke in the middle of the night from a series of odd dreams

(which I

> won't go into). As I was awakening laying on my back I heard these

> words, " Don't let the big one bite or the bits will die in your

sleep. "

> So pronounced was this that I repeated it to myself to not forget

it.

> Other than having a nice poetic sound to it, I wondered if it had

to do

> with dismemberment as this has been on topic on the list and has

gotten

> my attention. Then over the next couple of seconds a loud roaring

came

> up in my ears that I felt as a buzzing pressure all down my ear

canals

> to my ear drums like the wind blowing in my ears. I started as well

to

> feel a strong static electricity feeling all over my body and in my

> closed eyes I started to see vibrating fields and arcs of light. I

> thought that this must be what others speak of in their K

experiences.

[Guest guest]

Hi Amaargi-

 

Thanks for the input. I am not sure what work was done but this is the

second comment that says this is what the buzzing is about. If I didn't

hear those steps I would have enjoyed it and I welcome a return. (Hear

that Shakti?)

 

I really don't worry about entities. I have dealt with quite a lot of

ethereal influence and poltergeist activity in the past. (Selena - Talk

about challenging rationality. You throw your arms up after a while. It

gets too hard to keep trying to figure it out.) Now a days someone

really has to want to talk to me for me to give much of an audience.

They just don't bother me any more. I think my own have a guard on me,

and they don't have much to say either.

 

Bret

 

On Jan 10, 2006, at 4:53 PM, ama_ar_gi wrote:

 

> Hi Brett,

>

> From my own experience I've found the buzzing in the ears is a sign

> of an out of body experience, or work being done on us, or by K in

> some way. I don't know exactly how it works, just I've had it happen

> so often now I use it as a signal to 'get ready'.

>

> Before K awakened I used to have a lot of out of body experiences

> because of my long meditation sessions so it appears to be related to

> OBE's and spiritual experiences that aren't only for K people.

>

> Also, when the true self is emerging from within it can often be felt

> that an intruder is trying to get in. This can feel very real and

> fear arises, usually because of the Ego feeling threatened. It will

> be so real that we will hear footsteps outside our door or someone

> trying to break into our home.

>

> I take precautions anyway, just in case someone *is* trying to get

> into the house but usually it ends up it's all in my mind

>

> I love and embrace the entity though I did get tricked once into

> allowing an enitity in that wasn't my own. This I realised was also

> to learn about 'discernment' and how to use my own hightened

> awareness to test energies and just check to see who they are and

> what they want. Part of a Shamanic learning.

>

> Eventually it will all settle down and there will only be peace and

> love, everything else happens automatically and with balance and

> strength we won't be tested and annoyed by these little events

>

> peace

> Amaargi

>

>

>

>

>

> , Bret Arenson

> <bretarenson@i...> wrote:

>>

>> Oh Hello-

>>

>> Anyway, this idea of dismemberment frightens me. I am also

> frightened

>> by the prospect o seeing some specter activity like Selena has

>> described. When I was a boy I would ask any ghost that might be

> there

>> to not show themselves to me. I think I still feel the same way. I

> have

>> had many experiences with entities, benevolent and otherwise, but I

>> have only felt their presence except on one occasion. I do want to

> see

>> something on the ethereal plane, but not sure I would like

> something

>> other than the beautiful ball of light that radiates love and

> peace.

>> But this all leads to my story of last night.

>>

>> I awoke in the middle of the night from a series of odd dreams

> (which I

>> won't go into). As I was awakening laying on my back I heard these

>> words, " Don't let the big one bite or the bits will die in your

> sleep. "

>> So pronounced was this that I repeated it to myself to not forget

> it.

>> Other than having a nice poetic sound to it, I wondered if it had

> to do

>> with dismemberment as this has been on topic on the list and has

> gotten

>> my attention. Then over the next couple of seconds a loud roaring

> came

>> up in my ears that I felt as a buzzing pressure all down my ear

> canals

>> to my ear drums like the wind blowing in my ears. I started as well

> to

>> feel a strong static electricity feeling all over my body and in my

>> closed eyes I started to see vibrating fields and arcs of light. I

>> thought that this must be what others speak of in their K

> experiences.

>

>