Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Thanks (Chrism) and, well, yes, I may ask more questions, but want to give some time for these things to sink in... Sometimes I think I may give the wrong impression... I have a way of asking naive-sounding questions and then when I read the answer I think yeah, I already knew that, but just never called it by that name (e.g. " clearing the five bodies " ). Anyway, it's familiar territory. Carlos Castaneda and Taisha Abelar had this thing called recapitulation, which was a way of trying to literally relive every moment of your life, and then releasing any energy that was tied to those events. Pretty hard to do for someone middle-aged. I think they were a little obsesive about it. But it's something I've done and need to continue to do (how can anyone say that they've ever finished doing this?), and I can even remember a time that fits your description of an " extreme example. " At that time (decades ago), I may have fancied myself as a young Castaneda-type pursued by a sorceress, but actually there was an element of that... Just trying to make sense of the many ways of thought that I've encountered, all of which may boil down to the same essential goal: a union of our " higher " and " lower " selves, the " chymical wedding " as some would call it in western esotericism. Is that a reasonable paraphrase for the Kundalini experience? JohnE , chrism wrote: > Clearing the five bodies is the process of removing as much energetic blockage as is possible. Its typically ongoing for a time. Five bodies being the the physical, sexual, energetic, emotional, spiritual. These conform to aspects of the first five chakras or energy centers along the spine. The Asian 5, also corresponding to earth, water, air, fire, ether(spirit). Each center has qualities that reflect certain response and experience mechanisms in the body. > > Survival and basic survival skills and needs and physical safety are represented by the first center. If you have been in situations where your life was in danger by virtue of anothers ill will, and you knew it, to use an extreme example, a clearing of that center will need to be commenced. > > So as you bring that experience to mind, you initiate forgiveness, for the other person and for yourself for being part of the active circuit or negative agreement, and allow the agreement to dissolve. Then move to the next issue that comes up as you consciously clear the bodies. > > John feel free to ask other questions - hope my answers are helpful - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Hello John, Yes the alchemists knew of this. I haven't read anything in Castenedas' or Abelars' work to indicate that the Yaqui practiced this. Maybe it just did not escape the embedding Do juan did to Carlos. No worries about the wording as so many names describe the same thing. I appreciate your positioning in finding terminology to fit your experience and literature. I also sometimes refer to recapitulation but use it only within the boundaries of forgiveness. Makes it more attainable for all without regard to age group. It is an effective tool for clearing as well and I'm am grateful to know of it. Sorcery is an unfortunate undertaking as it is, in many cases, used to deprive others of free will. I am glad she didn't catch you(?) Union of the divine female with the divine male, Shaky-Shiva, - neg-pole with + pos-pole, I think that you have a picture for description. The reality is very different though and in many ways beyond words, consciousness, comprehension. Sarasrara, nirvana, at-one-ment......are you ready? - chrism nologo3 <esposito wrote: Thanks (Chrism) and, well, yes, I may ask more questions, but want to give some time for these things to sink in... Sometimes I think I may give the wrong impression... I have a way of asking naive-sounding questions and then when I read the answer I think yeah, I already knew that, but just never called it by that name (e.g. " clearing the five bodies " ). Anyway, it's familiar territory. Carlos Castaneda and Taisha Abelar had this thing called recapitulation, which was a way of trying to literally relive every moment of your life, and then releasing any energy that was tied to those events. Pretty hard to do for someone middle-aged. I think they were a little obsesive about it. But it's something I've done and need to continue to do (how can anyone say that they've ever finished doing this?), and I can even remember a time that fits your description of an " extreme example. " At that time (decades ago), I may have fancied myself as a young Castaneda-type pursued by a sorceress, but actually there was an element of that... Just trying to make sense of the many ways of thought that I've encountered, all of which may boil down to the same essential goal: a union of our " higher " and " lower " selves, the " chymical wedding " as some would call it in western esotericism. Is that a reasonable paraphrase for the Kundalini experience? JohnE , chrism wrote: > Clearing the five bodies is the process of removing as much energetic blockage as is possible. Its typically ongoing for a time. Five bodies being the the physical, sexual, energetic, emotional, spiritual. These conform to aspects of the first five chakras or energy centers along the spine. The Asian 5, also corresponding to earth, water, air, fire, ether(spirit). Each center has qualities that reflect certain response and experience mechanisms in the body. > > Survival and basic survival skills and needs and physical safety are represented by the first center. If you have been in situations where your life was in danger by virtue of anothers ill will, and you knew it, to use an extreme example, a clearing of that center will need to be commenced. > > So as you bring that experience to mind, you initiate forgiveness, for the other person and for yourself for being part of the active circuit or negative agreement, and allow the agreement to dissolve. Then move to the next issue that comes up as you consciously clear the bodies. > > John feel free to ask other questions - hope my answers are helpful - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 , chrism wrote: > Yes the alchemists knew of this. I haven't read anything in Castenedas' or Abelars' work to indicate that the Yaqui practiced this. Recapitualtion is never mentioned until CC's later books, which appear to me much less genuine, but still contain some worthwhile ideas and practices. >Maybe it just did not escape the embedding Don juan did to Carlos. Who knows? This is the mystery of the several books of events supposedly remembered only after the departure of Don Juan. Who has ever asked his readers to believe such outlandish things? He admitted in an interview that those (later) books were from dreams. Does this make them any less real? (I would say not.) > Sorcery is an unfortunate undertaking as it is, in many cases, used to deprive others of free will. I am glad she didn't catch you(?) Just " petty " attempts at my life. I never experienced a moment of fear. If only I were so bold now as I was when I was 18! > Sarasrara, nirvana, at-one-ment......are you ready? I'm readier than I was yesterday and not as ready as I will be tomorrow morning -- and so on for the rest of my life... Where do you draw the line? When can one truly say " I'm as ready as I'll ever be? " Here you (or I) have dredged up a weakness of mine. Years ago, a Mexican-American horse trainer in a cheap cowboy hat (who happens to remind me of Don Juan himself, in some way) asked me if I was ready (ready for some job). " I think so, " I replied. And what I look I got in return. This guy was thinking that I was the stupidest " pendejo " he'd ever seen in all his years. Every bit as foolish as Castaneda pretended to be in his books. " What do you mean 'I THINK SO?' " he said, his eyes cutting me in pieces. " I mean yes, " I said, realizing that it was way too late to rescue my lost dignity. I mean he wasn't exactly asking me to jump into an abyss -- or was he? JohnE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I mean he wasn't exactly asking me to jump into an abyss -- or was he? He may not have been, but I certainly am. Only you can know when your good to go. You write like an author, its enjoyable. - blessings John E - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 , chrism wrote: > > I mean he wasn't exactly asking me to > jump into an abyss -- or was he? > > He may not have been, but I certainly am. Only you can know when your good to go. You write like an author, its enjoyable. - blessings John E - chrism Well, I like to tell stories... As an afterthought, it occurred to me to tell that my Don Juan look-alike (the one with razor blades for eyes) had an assistant who was a real clown, a prototype for Don Genaro (for anyone who's ever read those books about the Mutt-and-Jeff sorcerors, the Odd Couple, deadly serious on one hand, childish pranksters on the other...). My model for Don Genaro, the clown, was once standing near me as I was leading a horse into a stall. I was an absolute beginner, it was my first or second day with racehorses, and I had the meanest one of them all. He (the horse) planted his hoof on my toes and leaned all of his thousand-plus pounds on it. I was in pain (obviously) and scared. I called out to the assistant trainer, thinking he'd come running to my rescue, but, shockingly to me at the time, he just stood there grinning and then sauntered over casually, the horse standing on my broken toe the whole time. Why did he behave so nonchalantly? (answer, straight from CC's books: Stop feeling sorry for yourself! You got yourself into this situation, so whose responsibility is it?). As for jumping into abysses: the only possible answer to " Are you ready? " is of course " yes. " Right or wrong, there is no alternative. John E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I am intersted to receive a shaktipat too. Namaste, Alex , " nologo3 " <esposito@c...> wrote: > > , > chrism wrote: > > > > I mean he wasn't exactly asking me to > > jump into an abyss -- or was he? > > > > He may not have been, but I certainly am. Only you can know > when your good to go. You write like an author, its enjoyable. - > blessings John E - chrism > > Well, I like to tell stories... As an afterthought, it occurred to me to > tell that my Don Juan look-alike (the one with razor blades for > eyes) had an assistant who was a real clown, a prototype for > Don Genaro (for anyone who's ever read those books about the > Mutt-and-Jeff sorcerors, the Odd Couple, deadly serious on one > hand, childish pranksters on the other...). > My model for Don Genaro, the clown, was once standing near > me as I was leading a horse into a stall. I was an absolute > beginner, it was my first or second day with racehorses, and I > had the meanest one of them all. He (the horse) planted his hoof > on my toes and leaned all of his thousand-plus pounds on it. I > was in pain (obviously) and scared. I called out to the assistant > trainer, thinking he'd come running to my rescue, but, shockingly > to me at the time, he just stood there grinning and then > sauntered over casually, the horse standing on my broken toe > the whole time. Why did he behave so nonchalantly? (answer, > straight from CC's books: Stop feeling sorry for yourself! You got > yourself into this situation, so whose responsibility is it?). > > As for jumping into abysses: the only possible answer to " Are > you ready? " is of course " yes. " Right or wrong, there is no > alternative. > > John E > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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