Guest guest Posted November 13, 2002 Report Share Posted November 13, 2002 1. I had the same problems as far as my mother-in-law goes.It was just ahassle for her to even think about preparing something when we came over. So just imagine what it was like when our son was born (her first grand child). I was frghtened to death to leave him with her. Especially after her comment of " you want a piece of chicken don't you? Just wait untill your parents leave I'll be more than happy to give you some. " Then a few years later my father-in-law had a scare with a polyp in his intestine. After that he changed his eating habits to more of a mediterranian style. Vegetarian but includes fish. He's a lot healthier and we always have something to eat when we go over. She says she wont change her diet until she really has to. Oh, by the way she's type 2 diabetic. 2. I've had a subscription with VT as with IVU for several years now and for about 3 yrs hadn't read it until I heard you all. I decided to pick it up yesterday and read through it. My god how it's changed. The thing that really got to me is an answer to an editorial someone wrote in about advertising that was placed in for an animal product. They actually replied stating that they can't keep every animal advertisment out because they have to sometimes make compromising decisions in order to make money to keep the prices down and make profit too. Someone also wrote in, in regards to a letter someone else sent stating they don't know their readers any more. The person replyed, Even though i'm not veg you do know your readers quite well. You are a magazine that is dedicated to giving information to your readers not based on if they're veg but just because they want to live healthy. If that's all they want to do why don't they just change their name to " Healthier Lifestyle " . What is the point of VT? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 In a message dated 11/14/2002 5:59:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, spjparker writes: > ). I was frghtened to death to leave him with her. Especially after her > comment of " you want a piece of chicken don't you? Just wait untill your > parents leave I'll be more than happy to give you some. " I wouldn't have left him with her! I am lucky because my inlaws respect my choices and always try to prepare foods for us to eat when we go over there, if they didn't, then we wouldn't be over there as much. I don't leave my son over there though, mostly for other reasons. I do leave him with my mom every once in awhile (we are a very attached family and it isn't very often that we leave him) my mother is extremely respectful of my choices and she even tries to eat meat and dairy substitutes. She always has vegetarian food in the house for us. I let my son stay the night at her house once and she freaked out when he took a few bites of my niece's yogurt. Sara Proud Mama to Colin Patrick 12/07/99 Jack Michael 8/07/02 Ever notice that a human baby doesn't walk until it's tall enough to reach a parent's hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 Sounds like my parents, who did not stop smoking until they had a nearly fatal heart attack (my mother) and their emphysema symptoms got too bad (my father). - Sonya Parker Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:53 PM A Few Things She says she wont change her diet until she really has to. Oh, by the way she's type 2 diabetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 My parents respect my decisions too but i don't think they can't help but making stupid comments just like your in-laws. My mom says stuff like " I think he wants some of this chicken i'm eating " . My son is 5 months, he is gonna grab at anything. i am always with him because i don't even want my family to kiss him if they just finished eating meat. Excuse me if i sound too scornful. function SetDomain(d) { document.domain = d; } ONE LOVE Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 function SetDomain(d) { document.domain = d; }sounds like my mother who has high HIGH HIGH cholesterol and won't change her diet at all. she eats everything! ONE LOVE Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 function SetDomain(d) { document.domain = d; }about the magazine: i have not read it but if it has animal advertising i would throw it out. And the magazine needs to come up with a better excuse for it too. " money " thats crazy. there are plenty of vege companies and stuff. ONE LOVE Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2002 Report Share Posted November 16, 2002 Hi all, I'm new to this group and new to vegetarianism. If I am understanding Sonya, then VT is not so vegetarian. This leaves me highly disappointed. ( I have just bought their cookbook and I am finding it incredibly informative and full of good recipes. I was considering subscribing to the magazine. Is my impression correct? What's the point? I can get " healthful " information anywhere, it's strict vegetarian info I need at this point. Shalom, Kirsten --- Sonya Parker <spjparker wrote: > > 1. I had the same problems as far as my > mother-in-law goes.It was just ahassle for her to > even think about preparing something when we came > over. So just imagine what it was like when our son > was born (her first grand child). I was frghtened > to death to leave him with her. Especially after > her comment of " you want a piece of chicken don't > you? Just wait untill your parents leave I'll be > more than happy to give you some. " Then a few > years later my father-in-law had a scare with a > polyp in his intestine. After that he changed his > eating habits to more of a mediterranian style. > Vegetarian but includes fish. He's a lot healthier > and we always have something to eat when we go over. > She says she wont change her diet until she really > has to. Oh, by the way she's type 2 diabetic. > 2. I've had a subscription with VT as with IVU for > several years now and for about 3 yrs hadn't read it > until I heard you all. I decided to pick it up > yesterday and read through it. My god how it's > changed. The thing that really got to me is an > answer to an editorial someone wrote in about > advertising that was placed in for an animal > product. They actually replied stating that they > can't keep every animal advertisment out because > they have to sometimes make compromising decisions > in order to make money to keep the prices down and > make profit too. Someone also wrote in, in regards > to a letter someone else sent stating they don't > know their readers any more. The person replyed, > Even though i'm not veg you do know your readers > quite well. You are a magazine that is dedicated to > giving information to your readers not based on if > they're veg but just because they want to live > healthy. If that's all they want to do why don't > they just change their name to " Healthier > Lifestyle " . What is the point of VT? > > > > > > > > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from > Greatest Hits CD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Incidentally, not to be too snotty, but my mother brings it out of me: about the whole " he's grabbing at my chicken/cheese/whatever so I think it means he wants/needs it for nutritional reasons. " At least when it comes to kids of that age range ( a couple months up to whenever they stop wanting to shove everything in their mouths) simply point out that your kid also wants to put the remote control in his mouth, and does your mother/in-law/otherpaininthebutt-relative think this is because there is a nutrient in the remote that your kid needs to eat? When my baby was reaching for water bottles and such at a young age and my mom tried to insist that this was happening because my exclusive breastfeeding was not sufficient for my 3 month old and that I should be giving her bottles of water, I simply showed my baby the remote which she also tried to put in her mouth. I said, " yeah, mom, she has a remote control deficiency too. " Babies only put things in their mouths out of hunger, don't you know. Currently, my 20 month old has a deficiency of whatever metal they make coins out of, the batting inside our chair cushions, and select strands of my dog's fur, oh and crayon wax too. Poor kid. Empress Stacey [zaijah2] Friday, November 15, 2002 10:12 AM Re: A Few Things My parents respect my decisions too but i don't think they can't help but making stupid comments just like your in-laws. My mom says stuff like " I think he wants some of this chicken i'm eating " . My son is 5 months, he is gonna grab at anything. i am always with him because i don't even want my family to kiss him if they just finished eating meat. Excuse me if i sound too scornful. function SetDomain(d) { document.domain = d; } ONE LOVE Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Kirsten Butler wrote: > Hi all, I'm new to this group and new to > vegetarianism. If I am understanding Sonya, then VT is > not so vegetarian. This leaves me highly disappointed. > ( I have just bought their cookbook and I am > finding it incredibly informative and full of good > recipes. I was considering subscribing to the > magazine. Is my impression correct? What's the point? > I can get " healthful " information anywhere, it's > strict vegetarian info I need at this point. The recipes in VT are all vegetarian. Apparently they have run a few ads that include non-vegetarian products. They have been through a number of editorial changes in the last few years and a lot of their long-term readers (including me) now feel that the editorial quality has fallen greatly. They have printed some letters to the editor that were extremely hostile towards vegans, and their justifications for some of their editorial changes sound like they are more interested in marketing towards health oriented non-vegetarians and consider their vegetarian (and especially vegan readers) to be an embarrassment. I also like their cookbooks. I've never had a problem with the quality of their recipes. It's the recent editorial direction that bothers me. I suggest picking up a few issues from a newstand before subscribing to see if he editorial content meets your needs or not. ---- Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia President, The Arlington Cooperative Organization The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely different way ... -- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 I have the latest VT in my hands (I, unfortunately, get a free copy from my EarthSave membership). Here are my thoughts on this Dec 2002 issue: 1. I was highly surprised to see a all vegan holiday entertaining article with what look like some yummy recipes. 2. A lot of the editors notes, etc. are patting themselves on the back for being a great magazine...I don't like that and don't agree, but this is pretty standard. 3. They have articles on accupressure/accupuncture and yoga...two things I'm interested in, but I have yoga or 'alternative medicine' mags I look at for this type of stuff. 4. They have 'quorn' in their new 'goods' section. Most of the quorn products I've seen are not vegan and they do not mention all the health concerns surrounding quorn. 5. In 'scoop' they talk about how bad it is that girls from 12 - 19 years of age decrease their milk consumption 'with predictable consequences for healthy development'. 6. For some reason they seem to be pushing wine these days. I don't remember this before, but this last year they have wine suggestions with their recipes and often have articles about how great wine is for your health. I'm not 'against' alcohol, but since many wines are not vegan and some aren't veg...what is the point? 7. I didn't notice any Kraft cheese ads this time, but there are a lot of ads. Also, any mag with an ad for breast enlargement is a little trashy in my book. 8. Overall, I just don't find much in the mag to keep my interest. It seems very 'fluffy'. They don't seem to get into any topic very deeply, the recipes aren't label anymore so it is hard for me to pick out the vegan ones, and I can't remember the last time I picked it up and read something that I didn't already know. Possibly a good mag for someone to check out when they first go veg, but I prefer Veggie Life, The Vegetarian Journal (by VRG), and Vegetarian Baby and Child...I wouldn't waste your money...maybe look at VT at your local library. My opinion, Linda --- Kirsten Butler <kbutler65 wrote: > Hi all, I'm new to this group and new to > vegetarianism. If I am understanding Sonya, then VT > is > not so vegetarian. This leaves me highly > disappointed. > ( I have just bought their cookbook and I am > finding it incredibly informative and full of good > recipes. I was considering subscribing to the > magazine. Is my impression correct? What's the > point? > I can get " healthful " information anywhere, it's > strict vegetarian info I need at this point. > Shalom, > Kirsten Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 I totally see what everyone is saying about Vegetarian Times - I had some of those feelings myself. However, I do really enjoy receiving it, and I do find good information in the issues. I still plan on receiving it. It's definitely not all vegan, if that is what you want. Can you look at a sample at a big health food store sometime to see if you like it? Or maybe they have sample articles on their website? > recipes. I was considering subscribing to the > magazine. Is my impression correct? What's the point? > I can get " healthful " information anywhere, it's > strict vegetarian info I need at this point. > Shalom, > Kirsten > --- Sonya Parker <spjparker wrote: > > > > 1. I had the same problems as far as my > > mother-in-law goes.It was just ahassle for her to > > even think about preparing something when we came > > over. So just imagine what it was like when our son > > was born (her first grand child). I was frghtened > > to death to leave him with her. Especially after > > her comment of " you want a piece of chicken don't > > you? Just wait untill your parents leave I'll be > > more than happy to give you some. " Then a few > > years later my father-in-law had a scare with a > > polyp in his intestine. After that he changed his > > eating habits to more of a mediterranian style. > > Vegetarian but includes fish. He's a lot healthier > > and we always have something to eat when we go over. > > She says she wont change her diet until she really > > has to. Oh, by the way she's type 2 diabetic. > > 2. I've had a subscription with VT as with IVU for > > several years now and for about 3 yrs hadn't read it > > until I heard you all. I decided to pick it up > > yesterday and read through it. My god how it's > > changed. The thing that really got to me is an > > answer to an editorial someone wrote in about > > advertising that was placed in for an animal > > product. They actually replied stating that they > > can't keep every animal advertisment out because > > they have to sometimes make compromising decisions > > in order to make money to keep the prices down and > > make profit too. Someone also wrote in, in regards > > to a letter someone else sent stating they don't > > know their readers any more. The person replyed, > > Even though i'm not veg you do know your readers > > quite well. You are a magazine that is dedicated to > > giving information to your readers not based on if > > they're veg but just because they want to live > > healthy. If that's all they want to do why don't > > they just change their name to " Healthier > > Lifestyle " . What is the point of VT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from > > Greatest Hits CD > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site > http://webhosting. > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 > 4. They have 'quorn' in their new 'goods' section. > Most of the quorn products I've seen are not vegan and > they do not mention all the health concerns > surrounding quorn. Just for the record... No Quorn that I have ever seen is Vegan. The health concerns are ridiculous hyped-up scaremongering by the USA meat industry. Quorn has been on sale for many many years in Europe, they have sold many tons of it, and they have had a miniscule number of reactions to it. Far fewer cases than for well known allergies such as peanuts or seafood. Quorn is an excellent food for vegetarians, sadly it's not vegan. Kind regards, Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 function SetDomain(d) { document.domain = d; }my son had a red eye the other day. Dr says it's very common. My mother says it may be the organic baby food. She said the organic food may be too harsh!! That comment was so stupid that it didn't even make me mad. I laughed at her. ONE LOVE Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 For those of you around long enough to remember, Vegetarian Times was originally founded by a guy named Paul Obis Jr. He is/was a registered nurse and a vegetarian and he started this newsletter to help disseminate veg-information. It turned into Veg Times and was a great magazine with lots of information and opinions and one or two recipes per issue. Then when Vegetarian Times got large, a big magazine publisher bought it and so began it's slide into mass market, profit driven mediocrity. Phil Welsher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 Well, yah.....get that stuff in your eye, ma.....your's would turn red too. Geez......I think she's proven she never deserves to ever be taken seriously again. lmao Lucy Empress Stacey <zaijah2 wrote:function SetDomain(d) { document.domain = d; }my son had a red eye the other day. Dr says it's very common. My mother says it may be the organic baby food. She said the organic food may be too harsh!! That comment was so stupid that it didn't even make me mad. I laughed at her. ONE LOVE Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 > >> The health concerns are ridiculous hyped-up > scaremongering by the USA > meat industry. > > Quorn has been on sale for many many years in > Europe, they have sold many > tons of it, and they have had a miniscule number of > reactions to it. Far > fewer cases than for well known allergies such as > peanuts or seafood. > > Quorn is an excellent food for vegetarians, sadly > it's not vegan. > Actually, most of the complaints I've heard about Quorn (for years now prior to it coming to the US) have been from my veg friends in Europe. Some of them have gotten sick. Of course, I completely would understand the meat industry pouncing on that. Either way, I think it should have been mentioned so people can be aware and do their own homework. Linda Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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