Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 To use or not to use fake meats for a resistant teenager? I agree that it's not a good idea to use them on their own, as the difference from the real thing may be too obvious to one who has the taste of meat very fresh in his memory, but they might prove very useful put into mixed dishes. For instance soy mince in stuffings, or soy kebabs in mixed vegetable casseroles, things like that. In these cases, it's not the dominant flavour, and it can get by more easily. Same goes for soy milks, of course. On their own or on cereal, they don't compare to milk at all. But you can make bechamel with them for gratin dishes, use them in potato puree or in desserts. There their flavour - or rather *non flavour* can't be traced, so they work wonderfully. Irene Towards_health_and_beauty/ Friendly support and guidance to everyone struggling with weight and wellness problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 , " Irene Maradei " <shantima@o...> wrote: > To use or not to use fake meats for a resistant teenager? > I agree that it's not a good idea to use them on their own, as the > difference from the real thing may be too obvious to one who has the taste > of meat very fresh in his memory, but they might prove very useful put into > mixed dishes. Also burger crumble in things like tacos, sloppy joes, spaghetti sauce are in my opinion, soooo much better than the meat version of the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 I think that you miss the point of analog " meat " products, particularly in their use for non-veg or transitional veg teenagers. It isn't to replace the taste of meat with something to trick him/her or cause them to not miss it. It provides a sense of familiarity simply because it looks like something that they are used to and allows them to have a lunch at school or meal when friends are over that doesn't look different or odd. There are many kids at that age who do not want to appear different, they are uncomfortable with the idea of individuality (no matter what they say). My kids (ovo-lacto veggie from birth) like some of these " deli slices " for just that reason, their lunch looks like everyone elses, but they refer to them as edible felt pads. Personally, on the occasions that I have run across fake meats that are too similiar in taste and/or texture to the real thing I find it totally unappetizing. For me they are convenience foods which should have their own unique tastes and not try to totally mimic meat. I think that the concept that people have that these products will " replace " meat is why many people are dissatisfied with them. If you view them on there own merits it's much easier to enjoy them as what they are instead of what you wish them to pretend to be. Phil Welsher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 24, 2002 Report Share Posted December 24, 2002 eating meat is a habit that can be broken. instead of using " fake meats " to try and " pretend " you're still eating meat, educate the teen on the reason(s) you don't eat meat and let them know that you're not trying to emulate a meat taste, but introduce new flavors, tastes and textures of foods in general. the fact that it's " fake meat " shouldn't be made an issue. now, it's perfectly okay to use fake meats in the manners that you suggest, but definitely not as a coverup or even a substitute for eating or wanting to eat meat. get the teen in the mind set that we don't eat meat anymore, but from this veggie chicken pattie, we can get the same amount of protein (hypothetically) as we did when we ate chicken. but, again, i would definitely not try to cover up the flavor and make it taste like chicken. --- Irene Maradei <shantima wrote: > To use or not to use fake meats for a resistant > teenager? > I agree that it's not a good idea to use them > on their own, as the > difference from the real thing may be too > obvious to one who has the taste > of meat very fresh in his memory, but they > might prove very useful put into > mixed dishes. For instance soy mince in > stuffings, or soy kebabs in mixed > vegetable casseroles, things like that. In > these cases, it's not the > dominant flavour, and it can get by more > easily. > Same goes for soy milks, of course. On their > own or on cereal, they don't > compare to milk at all. But you can make > bechamel with them for gratin > dishes, use them in potato puree or in > desserts. There their flavour - or > rather *non flavour* can't be traced, so they > work wonderfully. > > Irene > Towards_health_and_beauty/ > Friendly support > and guidance to everyone struggling with weight > and wellness problems. > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, > please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially > useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 When i first became vegetarian, i could not eat any of the fake meat products. i gradually introduced myself to them. and if they taste too much like the real thing, I DON " T WANT IT. it is going to be very hard to introduce these products to new vegetarians/vegans. someone else already suggested it and i agree, start with non meat dishes like macaroni with steamed vegetables or spahgetti with meatless sauce. You get the drift, right? " d. millener " <thawriter wrote:eating meat is a habit that can be broken. instead of using " fake meats " to try and " pretend " you're still eating meat, educate the teen on the reason(s) you don't eat meat and let them know that you're not trying to emulate a meat taste, but introduce new flavors, tastes and textures of foods in general. the fact that it's " fake meat " shouldn't be made an issue. now, it's perfectly okay to use fake meats in the manners that you suggest, but definitely not as a coverup or even a substitute for eating or wanting to eat meat. get the teen in the mind set that we don't eat meat anymore, but from this veggie chicken pattie, we can get the same amount of protein (hypothetically) as we did when we ate chicken. but, again, i would definitely not try to cover up the flavor and make it taste like chicken. --- Irene Maradei <shantima wrote: > To use or not to use fake meats for a resistant > teenager? > I agree that it's not a good idea to use them > on their own, as the > difference from the real thing may be too > obvious to one who has the taste > of meat very fresh in his memory, but they > might prove very useful put into > mixed dishes. For instance soy mince in > stuffings, or soy kebabs in mixed > vegetable casseroles, things like that. In > these cases, it's not the > dominant flavour, and it can get by more > easily. > Same goes for soy milks, of course. On their > own or on cereal, they don't > compare to milk at all. But you can make > bechamel with them for gratin > dishes, use them in potato puree or in > desserts. There their flavour - or > rather *non flavour* can't be traced, so they > work wonderfully. > > Irene > Towards_health_and_beauty/ > Friendly support > and guidance to everyone struggling with weight > and wellness problems. > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, > please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially > useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Empress Stacey <zaijah2 wrote: >When i first became vegetarian, i could not eat any of the fake meat products. i gradually introduced myself to them. and if they taste too much like the >real thing, I DON " T WANT IT. it is going to be very hard to introduce these products to new vegetarians/vegans. someone else already suggested it >and i agree, start with non meat dishes like macaroni with steamed vegetables or spahgetti with meatless sauce. You get the drift, right? That's what I also do when entertaining. Make well-known popular dishes that happen to be non-meat dishes. The problem is mainly with the husbands. There are a few men out there -and a couple of women, as well- who feel that if they haven't eaten meat they haven't really eaten, even if you have provided a twenty course meal! The husband of a dear friend of mine even went to the length of saying that vegetables, potatoes and such are " women's food " . So that is a challenge, you understand! How I faced it? I never invited them to my home again, whenever she comes, she comes in the afternoon with her children, and we have tea and biscuits and cakes and snacks. Irene Towards_health_and_beauty/ Friendly support and guidance to everyone struggling with weight and wellness problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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