Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Amen, Sonia, good for you! I am a bit late with this response, but I am very sorry to hear of your loss. It's great that you came to this group for support. I have had several dear friends who have miscarried, one lost a baby at 8 months, and another lost a baby at 17 weeks. What helped them was having the support of their families (such as mom and sister), coworkers, and friends. If that is lacking, a support group can be most helpful. Your local hospital should be able to refer you to one. Sometimes people around you don't know what to say. I noticed it was easier in some ways for the women who lost a baby at 8 months because she had a supportive husband and people were more likely to recognize that she lost a child. She received flowers, neighbors brought food, and they had to deal with the question of whether to hold a funeral (they did not, but they named the baby and held an intimate candle-lighting at their home). My other friend who lost a baby at 17 weeks also had to go through labor. She was just as devastated and did not have a supportive partner. She felt that the hospital staff during the miscarriage were unsympathetic and belittled her feelings, like, " Get over it already. " Can you imagine!? She named the baby but because most people around her did not recognize she was pregnant, she did not get the kind of sympathy she needed, that she had lost a child. So I think it's good that you told people! It helps to go through the goodbye process as others were saying. If you haven't done it already, buy a big bouquet of pastel pink and blue flowers, have that little candle-lighting ceremony with your kids. They have to deal with their own loss, albeit not as much as you, and presumably they will take their cue from you. Tell your children how much you loved and wanted and will miss that little baby-to-be, no matter how small. Time will help heal your heart. I've noticed that the loss is often difficult for couples as they cope with their own feelings. Men may withdraw to deal with the sadness, while women may need to work through the pain more openly. Keep that in mind and be patient with your partner if he can't be there for you when you need him. I'll be sending good vibes your way, Valerie ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:13:47 -0800 (PST) Sonya Parker Re: missed pregnancy Thanks guys. I guess i'm always so wrapped up in helping other people that I never thought I would ever need help. I'm use to being the one that helps everybody else heal so when this happened this was a reality check. I'm a firm believer that all things happen for a divine reason and there is always a lesson to be learned from every situation. I'm guessing my lesson is to be open enough to allow others to help me and not try to deal with everything on my own because we can't do it all, sometimes we need help. So now all I can do is let go and accept the help that people are offering. I'm always glad to be a part of this group. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Dear Marc (w/ respect to Anna's post), (Sorry, this is long!) You go, Marc! I am so glad to hear Marc point out that high protein consumption limits calcium absorption. Even the medical establishment does not dispute that, but the meat industry and the dairy industry have such a strangle-hold on global dietary opinions. Even on me! Yikes. With so much hullabaloo about Atkins-like high-protein/low-carb diets today, it drives me batty that people are embracing a high-fat, low-fiber diet!!! And for children!? I know that's not what your husband is recommending Anna, but stick to your guns! Where kids are concerned, they will get plenty of protein from plant sources (keep the whole grains, beans, lentils, and tofu flowing), and better calcium absorption without the meat. If you can possibly delay the introduction of high-protein, high-fat meat, you will be helping your child grow stronger bones, delay and even prevent later problems with obesity, athsma, allergies, diabetes, heart disease, and colon ( & other) cancers. That said, I'm a hypocrit! I feel a bit guilty saying no when my son wants eggs, milk, or (god forbid) bacon or beef jerky. It's hard to break out of that brain-washing that these things are good for you (although I have no problem putting my foot down on bacon and beef jerky!! UGH!). This diary-industry and meat-industry brain-washing is on TV! It's in his 1st grade public school's reading material! It's in health brochures in doctors' offices (sometimes you can find the copyright on the back in tiny print--the US Diary Council)! I buy organic egg-whites in a carton and use them rarely. And I finally switched to soy milk, whereas I used to buy non-fat Lactaid for cooking. He loves " chocolate silk " --I wish it weren't chocolate, but at least it's more easily digestible plant protein, and soy milk is not mucous-forming like cow's milk. He gobbles up Morningstar Farms breakfast links and we like their breakfast strips too. I add the textured vegetable protein crumbles (also by Morningstar Farms) to soups, stir frys, and frozen-convenience veggie " meal starters. " I use Bacos (all soy, no MSG) in quiche and on salads. I'm one of those people who gets a tummy ache when I eat meat--even if rice is cooked in chicken broth. But my 6-yr-old son doesn't have much problem switching between mommy's house, which is vegetarian, and daddy's house, which is decidedly carnivorous. He too eats meat at school on occasion. He says he would be a vegetarian if he could--but his dad (and girlfriend, who cooks) aren't cooperating. No surprise there. Anna, it's great that you are still nursing Kevin. That's a very good start for his immune system and supplement to a healthy vegetarian diet. Not to mention special mommy/baby time. BTW, aren't the egg whites are better, nutritionally speaking, rather than the yolks? Valerie, aka Richard's mom Message: 11 Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:06:38 -0000 Marc Palmer Re: meat to babies... On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:06:27 -0000, Anna Macknight wrote: > Hi, > > My son just turned 1, and he is still a vegan. I'm going to start giving > him egg yolks and yogurt soon, but my husband thinks we should give him > meat once a week " just to be safe " . I understand that my husband is > worried, but I don't want to give meat to my baby! My husband's argument > is that dietary guidelines change a lot, and that they might not know if > children need meat for something that they don't know yet... > > Kevin (my son) eats well, and I'm still nursing him. > > I'm a vegetarian (vegan 90% of the time) and my husband is omnivore > (vegetarian 90% of the time). Our 9yo daughter eats meat outside the > house (school). > > What do you guys think? There is absolutely no need for a child to consume dairy products if fed a healthy balanced diet. You need to know your nutritional facts though - and many of these are available from The Vegan Society (UK) online. Indeed, if done properly keeping your baby vegan could be the best gift you could ever bestow, given the -proven-long term health benefits of a healthy vegan diet. Actually, dietary guidelines may change a lot, but they tend to come from government agencies who have vested interests in the dairy industry, and also from people who think that the general population is not intelligent enough to eat healthily. Hence the increasing recommended intake of Calcium in the USA - because of excessive protein consumption by the general population. On a diet contain adequate but not excessive amounts of protein, the approximate daily calcium requirements for an - adult-are only 600mg. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Whenever my in-laws get on me about feeding the baby meat, I tell them, " yup, that's why all the Hindus died out, lack of meat in the diet. " There are plenty of world cultures to point to that haven't eaten meat in generations, and they still seem to be doing just fine. I mean, you can't get much more large-scale study than that... -kt > Message: 3 > Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:06:27 -0000 > " Anna Macknight <macknighta " > <macknighta > meat to babies... > > Hi, > > My son just turned 1, and he is still a vegan. I'm > going to start > giving him egg yolks and yogurt soon, but my husband > thinks we > should give him meat once a week " just to be safe " . > I understand > that my husband is worried, but I don't want to give > meat to my > baby! My husband's argument is that dietary > guidelines change a lot, > and that they might not know if children need meat > for something > that they don't know yet… > > Kevin (my son) eats well, and I'm still nursing him. > > I'm a vegetarian (vegan 90% of the time) and my > husband is omnivore > (vegetarian 90% of the time). Our 9yo daughter eats > meat outside the > house (school). > > What do you guys think? > Thanks > Anna > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2004 Report Share Posted June 10, 2004 My Apologies to the group- At midnight I sent this out to SBV by mistake. Dave usually has me send some other activities to the group and in a tired state clicked without thinking. Best, Carol Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:50 PM Digest Number 586 ----------------- * ------------------------- * * http://www.billik.com/shoshana/ * sbillik * ***************************************************** ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:54:18 -0700 " Mark Galeck " <mark_galeck RE: 6/11 All first time guest get in free: " Quit Taking It Personally " And what does that have to do with Vegetarianism?? Carol Daly [carol] Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:51 PM carol 6/11 All first time guest get in free: " Quit Taking It Personally " Special Offer for tonight June 11, 2004: ALL first time guests get in for FREE!!! Regular $15 Invite your friends and come join us!! " QUIT TAKING IT PERSONALLY " with Mickey Magic Is your day ruined when he/ she says something or doesn't say something? Is your day ruined if he/she does something or doesn't do something? Then you are taking these things way too personal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 2014mg Sodium. Is this sodium content high? wrote: There are 2 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Enchilada-Inspired Polenta Pie " Penny Hagan " 2. Re: Enchilada-Inspired Polenta Pie - correction " Sue in NJ " ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Sat, 25 Mar 2006 10:12:17 -0600 " Penny Hagan " Re: Enchilada-Inspired Polenta Pie Step 3 mentions corn but there is no corn in the ingredient list. Have you made this recipe? How much corn did you use? On 3/24/06, Sue in NJ wrote: > > > * Exported from MasterCook * > > Enchilada-Inspired Polenta Pie > > Recipe By :Robin Robertson > Serving Size : 4 Preparation Time :0:00 > Categories : Crockpot Main Dish > Vegan > > Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method > -------- ------------ -------------------------------- > 2 tablespoons water -- or olive oil > 1 small yellow onion -- minced > 1 1/4 cups cornmeal > 1 teaspoon salt > 1 tablespoon chili powder -- AND > 1/2 teaspoon chili powder > 4 cups boiling water > 2 1/2 cups salsa -- chunky, your choice > 1 1/2 cups canned pinto beans -- rinsed and drained > 4 ounces canned chili peppers -- diced > 2 tablespoons red onion -- minced > 2 tablespoons black olives -- sliced > salt and pepper -- to taste > 2 tablespoons fresh cilantro leaves -- minced > > 1. Saute the onions until softened, about 5 minutes. > > 2. Put the onions in the slow cooker, then add the cornmeal, salt, 1/2 > teaspoon of the chili powder, and stir in the boiling water until well > combined. Cover and cook on LOW 6 to 8 hours, stirring occasionally. > > 3. In a large bowl, combine the salsa, beans, corn, chilies, red onion, > olives, & remaining chili powder and season with salt & pepper. Mix well > and set aside. > > 4. About 30 minutes before ready to serve, spread the bean mixture on top > of the polenta mixture. Cover and continue to cook until the beans are > hot. > > 5. Serve with the cilantro as garnish. > > Description: > " The flavors and ingredients of enchiladas were the inspiration for > this recipe, with a polenta base standing in for soft corn tortillas. > For added richness, top with shredded soy cheddar close to serving > time. " > Source: > " Fresh From the Vegetarian Slow Cooker " > Copyright: > " 2004 " > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Per Serving: 304 Calories; 2g Fat (6.5% calories > from fat); 11g Protein; 62g Carbohydrate; 11g Dietary Fiber; 0mg > Cholesterol; 2011mg Sodium. Exchanges: 3 Grain(Starch); 0 Lean Meat; 2 > 1/2 Vegetable; 0 Fruit; 0 Fat. > > > Nutr. Assoc. : 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Gods, yes. For a 2000 calorie diet, that's more than 100% daily allowance!! On 3/26/06, Kathryn Weitzel <armedmom wrote: > > 2014mg Sodium. > Is this sodium content high? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Very very high. Way over the suggested daily limit. The sodium content is listed for one serving. linda " Kathryn Weitzel " <armedmom > > 2014mg Sodium. > Is this sodium content high? > > On 3/24/06, Sue in NJ wrote: > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Per Serving: 304 Calories; 2g Fat (6.5% calories > > from fat); 11g Protein; 62g Carbohydrate; 11g Dietary Fiber; 0mg > > Cholesterol; 2011mg Sodium. Exchanges: 3 Grain(Starch); 0 Lean Meat; 2 > > 1/2 Vegetable; 0 Fruit; 0 Fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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