Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 they're trying to insinuate that vegetarianism/veganism is not healthy. it's not until the VERY END that they " mild " it over! what jerks! http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & u=/nm/20030130/hl_nm/infants_diet_dc\ _1 ===== delmetria l. millener, freelance writer/editor business: 972-709-0589 | fax: 972-572-1087 thawriter | www.artisticalchemy.org i write for the very reason i breathe... Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 It is unfortunate that veganism and breastfeeding get publicity like this, but the sad truth is that there are always vegans who " go vegan " without learning anything about nutrition. While we can't stop articles like this from being published we can look on the bright side and hope people learn about nutritional requirements of a vegan diet rather than being scared away from veganism and breastfeeding! Lets keep up OUR good work of spreading the GOOD word and helping others learn about the benefits of veganism and the healthy ways to improve our diets and the world! Melinda - d. millener Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:16 PM did you see this!! they're trying to insinuate that vegetarianism/veganism is not healthy. it's not until the VERY END that they " mild " it over! what jerks! http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & u=/nm/20030130/hl_nm/infants_diet_dc\ _1 ===== delmetria l. millener, freelance writer/editor business: 972-709-0589 | fax: 972-572-1087 thawriter | www.artisticalchemy.org i write for the very reason i breathe... Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Sorry, but I think you are over-reacting. I did not get their " insinuation " that a veg*n diet is unhealthy. What they were saying is that a lack or complete deficiency of B12 in a veg*n diet can result in brain abnormalities of a growing and developing infant/toddler, which is absolutely correct. My interpretation is that they (the writers) weren't so much as putting down the veg*n diet so much as they were backing up the doctors' assertions that such a diet can be harmful, particularly to an infant/toddler if they are not getting the appropriate nutrition necessary to support their growth and development. I feel, as I am sure the doctors, researchers at the CDC, and the writers do, that the mothers of these two innocent babies were completely irresponsible in not making sure their babies were getting all the nutrients they needed in light of a restrictive diet, and that they weren't smart enough to research and learn exactly what nutritional needs their breastfed vegan infants would need to support their growth and development. Granted, the article doesn't put a favorable spin on a veg*n diet, but I think it was more directed at the ignorance of the two mothers and the overall importance, in light of a restrictive diet, of making sure a growing infant/toddlers nutritional needs are met. Also, it does state that a B12 deficiency can be ameliorated -- at least to a certain degree if not entirely -- by supplementation. I just did not see this article as an attack on the veg*n diet although, no doubt, uninformed, small-minded meat-eaters will see it as fodder against veg*ns. Robin - d. millener Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:16 PM did you see this!! they're trying to insinuate that vegetarianism/veganism is not healthy. it's not until the VERY END that they " mild " it over! what jerks! http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & u=/nm/20030130/hl_nm/infants_diet_dc\ _1 ===== delmetria l. millener, freelance writer/editor business: 972-709-0589 | fax: 972-572-1087 thawriter | www.artisticalchemy.org i write for the very reason i breathe... Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Yes I did see this first thing this morning. But I don't agree with your feeling toward the article. I thought it was well written and not an " attack " on the vegan lifestyle but instead a warning about the importance of B12 for both mother and baby. Paragraphs 3 - 6 stated the folowwing: ******* Jefferds added that these cases serve as a reminder to parents and pediatricians to ensure that both pregnant women and mothers who breast-feed their infants consume enough B12, either through diet or B12-containing supplements. " You have to make sure you're getting it, " she said, in reference to vitamin B12. And don't abandon breast-feeding altogether, Jefferds cautioned. Breast-feeding has many advantages, and mothers who choose to not eat animal products should still continue to breast-feed their infants. " Vegetarians should absolutely breast-feed, there's no question about that, " she said. ******* As this was aimed at doctors and pediatricians to make sure their patients get enough B12 - it was well done (and I have seen worse). Of course there will be the radical opponents to vegetarianism that will take the headline and run with it (as well as those doctors who are grossly lacking knowledge in this area). So once again we may have to defend our position on this issue. But the B12 problem can be very real as I became defficient when I switched to a vegan diet (I now use vegetarian supplements). Please, I feel we should all be aware of the article and I thank you for the link! Virginia " d. millener " <thawriter wrote:they're trying to insinuate that vegetarianism/veganism is not healthy. it's not until the VERY END that they " mild " it over! what jerks! http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & u=/nm/20030130/hl_nm/infants_diet_dc\ _1 ===== delmetria l. millener, freelance writer/editor business: 972-709-0589 | fax: 972-572-1087 thawriter | www.artisticalchemy.org i write for the very reason i breathe... Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 It is unfortunate that veganism and breastfeeding get publicity like this, but the sad truth is that there are always vegans who " go vegan " without learning anything about nutrition. While we can't stop articles like this from being published we can look on the bright side and hope people learn about nutritional requirements of a vegan diet rather than being scared away from veganism and breastfeeding! Lets keep up OUR good work of spreading the GOOD word and helping others learn about the benefits of veganism and the healthy ways to improve our diets and the world! Melinda , " d. millener " <thawriter> wrote: > they're trying to insinuate that > vegetarianism/veganism is not healthy. it's not > until the VERY END that they " mild " it over! what > jerks! > > http://story.news./news? tmpl=story & u=/nm/20030130/hl_nm/infants_diet_dc_1 > > > ===== > delmetria l. millener, freelance writer/editor > business: 972-709-0589 | fax: 972-572-1087 > thawriter | www.artisticalchemy.org > > i write for the very reason i breathe... > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 I read the article and didn't see anything objectionable. B12 deficiency is dangerous and can be easily prevented, the key is knowledge. If the worst people can say about veganism is " You need to take B12 " , I think it's a pretty decent position. Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Hi Robin, If you don't think the article was an attack, then just go back to the article, and then that says " Post/Read Msgs. " There you can read over 3000 messages, of which the vast majority are from people that believe the vegan diet is healthy, which is what they gathered from the article. My point is that if you didn't think the article was an attack on the vegan diet, then approximately 1000+ people did. -Scott , " robin werner " <RZarensky@m...> wrote: > Sorry, but I think you are over-reacting. I did not get their " insinuation " that a veg*n diet is unhealthy. What they were saying is that a lack or complete deficiency of B12 in a veg*n diet can result in brain abnormalities of a growing and developing infant/toddler, which is absolutely correct. My interpretation is that they (the writers) weren't so much as putting down the veg*n diet so much as they were backing up the doctors' assertions that such a diet can be harmful, particularly to an infant/toddler if they are not getting the appropriate nutrition necessary to support their growth and development. I feel, as I am sure the doctors, researchers at the CDC, and the writers do, that the mothers of these two innocent babies were completely irresponsible in not making sure their babies were getting all the nutrients they needed in light of a restrictive diet, and that they weren't smart enough to research and learn exactly what nutritional needs their breastfed vegan infants would need to support their growth and development. > Granted, the article doesn't put a favorable spin on a veg*n diet, but I think it was more directed at the ignorance of the two mothers and the overall importance, in light of a restrictive diet, of making sure a growing infant/toddlers nutritional needs are met. Also, it does state that a B12 deficiency can be ameliorated -- at least to a certain degree if not entirely -- by supplementation. I just did not see this article as an attack on the veg*n diet although, no doubt, uninformed, small-minded meat-eaters will see it as fodder against veg*ns. > > Robin > - > d. millener > > Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:16 PM > did you see this!! > > > they're trying to insinuate that > vegetarianism/veganism is not healthy. it's not > until the VERY END that they " mild " it over! what > jerks! > > http://story.news./news? tmpl=story & u=/nm/20030130/hl_nm/infants_diet_dc_1 > > > ===== > delmetria l. millener, freelance writer/editor > business: 972-709-0589 | fax: 972-572-1087 > thawriter | www.artisticalchemy.org > > i write for the very reason i breathe... > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Sadly, when it comes to " alternative " lifestyles the press seems to be more negative than positive. It reminds me of CPSC coming out against co-sleeping in spite of the plethora of research in favor of it and the fact that many many traditional cultures never stopped co-sleeping. Like others have said I hope that all vegans who saw the article take a second look at their B12 consumption and perhaps a few novice or naive vegans are now including B12 in their diet when they hadn't before. Peace, Stephanie - d. millener Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:16 PM did you see this!! they're trying to insinuate that vegetarianism/veganism is not healthy. it's not until the VERY END that they " mild " it over! what jerks! http://story.news./news?tmpl=story & u=/nm/20030130/hl_nm/infants_diet_dc\ _1 ===== delmetria l. millener, freelance writer/editor business: 972-709-0589 | fax: 972-572-1087 thawriter | www.artisticalchemy.org i write for the very reason i breathe... Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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