Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Hello all- I hope everyone is well and thriving, at least striving. I want to report some discoveries. Let me preface that the language I use is for convenience sake to point to something which the given vocabulary cannot describe accurately, so my description must be excused from a rigid exactness. A return to doing artwork after a break due to a move to a new studio has brought a deepening in the understanding of how to perform the practice. The practice as it has been is a follows; while I am at the palette, I recite my simple yet effecting prayer of gratitude to divinity (both incarnate and ethereal) and say the words of my gravity mediation to give maximum relaxation. At the art board while I am drawing my approach consists of three reminders in three words, " gravity " to retain a relaxed body, " look " to retain a certain visual attention to the image, and " spirit " which is to bring forward the sensation and surrendering to that which directs the drawing. The specific visual attention that " look " refers to is also a surrender of seeing. The image opens up in a particular way when this is approached correctly. It is not so much as looking as it is happening to see what is being shown to me. It requires less attention and more surrendering, sort of a sidelong glance outside of any expectation. A week ago at one point during drawing I was reminded of an experience in the early days of my drawing. At that time while drawing I suddenly felt a very strong presence behind me. This being seemed about nine feet tall and had a very intense presence. It's attention was on what I was doing, not on me at all. It was like a very high ranking individual that was checking in on some activity in it's domain but was so elevated that it could give no attention to any of the participants of the activity. What struck me was the great power of this being's presence, more than I have ever felt, and the intensity of its attention on what I was doing coupled with what seemed a very impersonal attitude. What reminded me of this was that my viewing of the image during the recent drawing session seemed to mirror the sensation I had of the being in the earlier experience. The experienced intensity of the viewing increased at the same time as my involvement with it diminished giving a powerful sensation that was at the same time very removed. I have told of my experience of this being to a few, a couple of which have not given a favorable opinion of this being's intentions. But after I thought of this former event during my recent drawing experience I now consider that it was perhaps a lesson to me. This being was showing something to me, something to emulate to in my practice. Over three years later I think I am now ready to get it. For the rest of the drawing session I included this approach into my practice and it proved to be very effective. The intensity of the visual stimulation, the kryias that are part of the drawing and the general altered and powerful sensations that can come from the practice were very high. By remembering and emulating the sensation of this teacher in my past it seemed I could create a certain witnessing of myself engaged in ecstasy that augments the ecstasy greatly. The next day I used this approach at a dance class I use to engage in my practice and again I found it to be effecting. So there is confirmation that this approach functions. Let me add some thoughts on this development. In my ecstatic experiences I have never lost my sense of self as is sometimes described in the experiences of others. However in this approach I can view myself from a sort of distance and thereby somehow gain a fuller surrender as well as a greater dissociation that is often noted of these states. I can see the surrender of my will to the shaking, moaning and perceptually enhanced creature that I become, even greater than before. I do not see myself personally involved in the transformation that comes, but removed from it. There is also a sense of who it is that sees from a distance, what I am thinking of as my other body. This I have described before. It is light and penetrable but very hard and consistent in form, which seems like a big bubble. It is very still and has no real sense of its axis, up or down. This is something very subtle and of course not at all continuous but which is becoming more and more familiar when the perception of it comes. So there is an essential division in my being coming forth in these experiences, that which surrenders and that which watches. Neither of which seems at all close to my person. Let me be critical for a moment, but hopefully in a way that gives others an opening. Much of what I say is contrary to certain traditional or even contemporary descriptions of what an ecstatic experience is or should represent, but does correlate to others. For me there is no great growth of sentiment, what I can describe as the realm of the soul. There is no sense of greater contentment, of a greater unity, or an expansion of the movement of the personal heart. I have heard of this as the culmination of spiritual development. but so far this is not in my experience. I know that this will bring on nay sayers as to the authenticity to my experience. However I do not consider there to be anything lacking in my development. How could I? The forgoing of fundamental attachment and the practice of being a witness to action is a traditional teaching and this has some correlation to my experience. However I must add that for me this is functioning under my ecstatic experiences. In that I must state that an undertaking of these practices would not necessarily lead to ecstasy. They seem more as tools of clearing to let the experience culminate. If there is no fuel for the engine, a tune up will not cause it to run. I can surmise how these practices may benefit daily life experience, but engaging in them in the hope that they might spark the holy fire seems perhaps a dubious approach. And lastly a thought on transcendence as there is no doubt something transcendent happening with me. Transcendence is a reoccurring theme in spiritual traditions. Transcendence is often thought of as surmounting problems, of gaining a higher, purer and better perspective or attaining greater peace. But it is also possible to include in the definition of transcendence the notion of disruption. It would not be illogical to define the going outside of the normal order as subversion. Even if there is culmination ultimately there is most probably subversion as well. I do not consider it necessarily a bad indication to experience it in this way and think that many would agree. And in many traditions it is definitely noted as such. My lesson here is to stand your ground in your development. Your subjectivity is yours alone. The subversion, the culmination, the lessons are yours. Be careful in your analysis based on what comes externally. A thousand year tradition is a thousand years of hearsay. No one ever wrote about you specifically, know that. Love Bret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Hello Bret! Welcome back and what good news in your journey! Sounds to me like a type of bi-location is beginning to emerge. Also see the being as a kind of teacher for you and I would not be surprised to find you continuously accessing old data that in the present seems new. It takes time to process much of this. Most folks respond to entities with negativity or fear. The best thing I feel is to pay attention to how YOU feel. Fear not withstanding and let that decide your action. The culmination of a spiritual or energetic event is largely up to the individual having it. That being said it is common for the heart to be opened and expanded and yet not a requirement. This may come later. Or not as this is the unique quality of your flow. Time will tell. Maybe its just me but I know of no hard and fast rules of what an ecstatic experience should be. There are similarities sometimes, sometimes not. Its again, individual. A great progression in your understandings seems to have taken place. You are the one and only Kriya artist that I have ever heard of. Your experience seems to be gaining momentum and the lay of the land ahead will challenge your engine - keep him gassed and tuned! heh. No nay sayers can understand where you have gone until they go. So no worries. Good to hear from you Bret and Bret Arenson <bretarenson wrote: Hello all- I hope everyone is well and thriving, at least striving. I want to report some discoveries. Let me preface that the language I use is for convenience sake to point to something which the given vocabulary cannot describe accurately, so my description must be excused from a rigid exactness. A return to doing artwork after a break due to a move to a new studio has brought a deepening in the understanding of how to perform the practice. The practice as it has been is a follows; while I am at the palette, I recite my simple yet effecting prayer of gratitude to divinity (both incarnate and ethereal) and say the words of my gravity mediation to give maximum relaxation. At the art board while I am drawing my approach consists of three reminders in three words, " gravity " to retain a relaxed body, " look " to retain a certain visual attention to the image, and " spirit " which is to bring forward the sensation and surrendering to that which directs the drawing. The specific visual attention that " look " refers to is also a surrender of seeing. The image opens up in a particular way when this is approached correctly. It is not so much as looking as it is happening to see what is being shown to me. It requires less attention and more surrendering, sort of a sidelong glance outside of any expectation. A week ago at one point during drawing I was reminded of an experience in the early days of my drawing. At that time while drawing I suddenly felt a very strong presence behind me. This being seemed about nine feet tall and had a very intense presence. It's attention was on what I was doing, not on me at all. It was like a very high ranking individual that was checking in on some activity in it's domain but was so elevated that it could give no attention to any of the participants of the activity. What struck me was the great power of this being's presence, more than I have ever felt, and the intensity of its attention on what I was doing coupled with what seemed a very impersonal attitude. What reminded me of this was that my viewing of the image during the recent drawing session seemed to mirror the sensation I had of the being in the earlier experience. The experienced intensity of the viewing increased at the same time as my involvement with it diminished giving a powerful sensation that was at the same time very removed. I have told of my experience of this being to a few, a couple of which have not given a favorable opinion of this being's intentions. But after I thought of this former event during my recent drawing experience I now consider that it was perhaps a lesson to me. This being was showing something to me, something to emulate to in my practice. Over three years later I think I am now ready to get it. For the rest of the drawing session I included this approach into my practice and it proved to be very effective. The intensity of the visual stimulation, the kryias that are part of the drawing and the general altered and powerful sensations that can come from the practice were very high. By remembering and emulating the sensation of this teacher in my past it seemed I could create a certain witnessing of myself engaged in ecstasy that augments the ecstasy greatly. The next day I used this approach at a dance class I use to engage in my practice and again I found it to be effecting. So there is confirmation that this approach functions. Let me add some thoughts on this development. In my ecstatic experiences I have never lost my sense of self as is sometimes described in the experiences of others. However in this approach I can view myself from a sort of distance and thereby somehow gain a fuller surrender as well as a greater dissociation that is often noted of these states. I can see the surrender of my will to the shaking, moaning and perceptually enhanced creature that I become, even greater than before. I do not see myself personally involved in the transformation that comes, but removed from it. There is also a sense of who it is that sees from a distance, what I am thinking of as my other body. This I have described before. It is light and penetrable but very hard and consistent in form, which seems like a big bubble. It is very still and has no real sense of its axis, up or down. This is something very subtle and of course not at all continuous but which is becoming more and more familiar when the perception of it comes. So there is an essential division in my being coming forth in these experiences, that which surrenders and that which watches. Neither of which seems at all close to my person. Let me be critical for a moment, but hopefully in a way that gives others an opening. Much of what I say is contrary to certain traditional or even contemporary descriptions of what an ecstatic experience is or should represent, but does correlate to others. For me there is no great growth of sentiment, what I can describe as the realm of the soul. There is no sense of greater contentment, of a greater unity, or an expansion of the movement of the personal heart. I have heard of this as the culmination of spiritual development. but so far this is not in my experience. I know that this will bring on nay sayers as to the authenticity to my experience. However I do not consider there to be anything lacking in my development. How could I? The forgoing of fundamental attachment and the practice of being a witness to action is a traditional teaching and this has some correlation to my experience. However I must add that for me this is functioning under my ecstatic experiences. In that I must state that an undertaking of these practices would not necessarily lead to ecstasy. They seem more as tools of clearing to let the experience culminate. If there is no fuel for the engine, a tune up will not cause it to run. I can surmise how these practices may benefit daily life experience, but engaging in them in the hope that they might spark the holy fire seems perhaps a dubious approach. And lastly a thought on transcendence as there is no doubt something transcendent happening with me. Transcendence is a reoccurring theme in spiritual traditions. Transcendence is often thought of as surmounting problems, of gaining a higher, purer and better perspective or attaining greater peace. But it is also possible to include in the definition of transcendence the notion of disruption. It would not be illogical to define the going outside of the normal order as subversion. Even if there is culmination ultimately there is most probably subversion as well. I do not consider it necessarily a bad indication to experience it in this way and think that many would agree. And in many traditions it is definitely noted as such. My lesson here is to stand your ground in your development. Your subjectivity is yours alone. The subversion, the culmination, the lessons are yours. Be careful in your analysis based on what comes externally. A thousand year tradition is a thousand years of hearsay. No one ever wrote about you specifically, know that. Love Bret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2006 Report Share Posted April 30, 2006 Hello Bret, Good to have you back! :-) Sel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.