Of shamans, healers, and seekers

[Guest guest]

A question for y'all:

 

What do you think about the connection between the K and shamanic

practices? My husband and I started experimenting with journeying, and

we had some amazing experiences. To be honest, I still get quite

irritated at all the New Agey clutter surrounding shamanism as it is

practiced in the US--most of it is a disturbing blend of cultural

cooptation, superstition, and commercialization. However, there is no

doubt that visualization practices can be very, very healing, and what

shamans call the " spirit world " is both easily accessible and a

goldmine of information and guidance...

 

My question is: are all K-active people potential shamans? Are all

shamans K-active? What does it take to be a shaman?

 

A fundamental difference could be that most K-active folks end up

pursuing an awakening (if they realize their potential and surrender

to it). They may or may not become healers in the process, but, even

though they need to develop compassion, healing skills are not their

main goal. Shamans, instead, are healers who work within a cosmology

that may or may not answer grand-tour questions about the nature of

what is. Their purpose is not an awakening per se, but rather helping

others. Basically, one could infer that, while most shamans are not

seekers, seekers may not be healers.

 

Yet again, how valid is this distinction?

 

Any thoughts? Chris, what do you say?

 

Sel

[Guest guest]

Sel,

 

Somehow you've managed to write what I was thinking. (I'm

wondering if this is copyright infringment -- how does the law

deal with people who provide shaktipat and then float away with

the recipient's Nobel-prize ideas?!)

Anyway, a rushed response, based partly on something you

yourself said to me: if a shaman is simply a healer, then this

does not require anything like a k awakening, though there must

(?) be an ability to bring energy down through the crown chakra.

(Now, does this mean " K active? " ).

We might also consider braodening the question. As long as we

limit shamnism to healing, then what about practitioners of

related things? What about the " sorceror " (not to imply selfish or

" black " magic per se, although this is part of it). The sorceror is

traditionally aloof (not community-based) and not a healer, yet

s/he may make journeys and do other things quite out of the

ordinary.

My opinion (based on very limited experience) is that sorcerors

and shamans, by whatever names, benefit greatly from being K

active, but I don't think this is an absolute prerequisite.

I suppose I could say more, but would like to hear a variety of

opinions if others want to discuss this.

Thanks for bringing up " our " question!

(you know I'm just joking, don't you? I don't really mean to take

credit for it!)

 

John E

 

 

 

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" selena230 " <selena230 wrote:

>

> A question for y'all:

>

> What do you think about the connection between the K and

shamanic

> practices? My husband and I started experimenting with

journeying, and

> we had some amazing experiences. To be honest, I still get

quite

> irritated at all the New Agey clutter surrounding shamanism as

it is

> practiced in the US--most of it is a disturbing blend of cultural

> cooptation, superstition, and commercialization. However,

there is no

> doubt that visualization practices can be very, very healing, and

what

> shamans call the " spirit world " is both easily accessible and a

> goldmine of information and guidance...

>

> My question is: are all K-active people potential shamans? Are

all

> shamans K-active? What does it take to be a shaman?

>

> A fundamental difference could be that most K-active folks end

up

> pursuing an awakening (if they realize their potential and

surrender

> to it). They may or may not become healers in the process, but,

even

> though they need to develop compassion, healing skills are

not their

> main goal. Shamans, instead, are healers who work within a

cosmology

> that may or may not answer grand-tour questions about the

nature of

> what is. Their purpose is not an awakening per se, but rather

helping

> others. Basically, one could infer that, while most shamans are

not

> seekers, seekers may not be healers.

>

> Yet again, how valid is this distinction?

>

> Any thoughts? Chris, what do you say?

>

> Sel

>

[Guest guest]

My question is: are all K-active people potential shamans?

 

@@ Yes, if you mean practicing shamanic techniques by use of Kundalini related

skills. Kundalini allows for the diminishing of the veils of separation between

the varied states of existence. Interaction with these states by use of shamanic

intention and technique and belief system will occur, if one wishes to go there.

And sometimes whether you wish it or not!

 

Much depends upon what the person brings with them. IE What skills. What level

of fearlessness. What intentions. Why have you become K active? Did it just

happen or did you pursue it? What tradition/path is being used for navigation?

Kundalini will open many doors. How you handle what is on the other side of the

door will be determined by those path choices. @@

 

 

Are all

shamans K-active?

 

@@ No. Many of the traditional shamans will use psycho-active plants for their

entry into these realities. Not Kundalini. They will also use spiritual guides

that have been selected by the tradition that the shaman is using. These guides

provide for the navigation, help and direction that the shaman wishes for in the

completion of the project. Kundalini will provide this as well but it is your

intention that allows the actions to be taken. @@

 

 

What does it take to be a shaman?

 

@@ The desire. A tradition. A willingness to walk in those worlds.

Fearlessness, respectfulness, The highest radiation of love and discernment.@@

 

 

A fundamental difference could be that most K-active folks end up

pursuing an awakening (if they realize their potential and surrender

to it). They may or may not become healers in the process, but, even

though they need to develop compassion, healing skills are not their

main goal.

 

@@ Not all Kundalini people are healers. Most people who know they have

Kundalini are more directed to allowing this energy to acclimate inside

themselves. Or are struggling with it. Trying to end the perceived occupation of

their body.@@

 

Shamans, instead, are healers who work within a cosmology

that may or may not answer grand-tour questions about the nature of

what is.

 

@@ Not all Shamans are healers either. Some become as JE mentioned, sorcerers.

Not the same person but using similar skill sets. @@

 

Basically, one could infer that, while most shamans are not

seekers, seekers may not be healers.

 

@@ Depends upon what is being termed a " healer. " Medical, sociological,

emotional, material etc. All these can have the healing moniker attached.

Seeking is another multi interpretive term. Seeking what? That answer will

determine the meaning of the seeking. @@

 

my thoughts on it d'jour -

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Selena,

Shamanism and healing is what brought me to the

kundalini energy, so for me I would say the two paths

are very linked, in Mayan shamanism they speak about

the ultimate power being the rainbow serpent, an

energy force accessed within by completely purifying

and becoming one with all things , sound familiar?

I think all K active folks could channel their energy

in this way if they choose to, visualisation and lucid

dreaming is a very powerful healing tool.

I believe all humans could be shamans if they wanted

to be just as all humans can walk the path of

enlightenment, it's just about choice.

Much love Elektra x x x

 

 

 

A question for y'all:

 

What do you think about the connection between the K

and shamanic

practices?

 

 

 

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