Quantum Expectations - mike to deb

[Guest guest]

Hi Deb,

 

Thanks for that interesting post; I'm thinking along similar lines

myself. I've jotted a few points that sprang to mind as I read……

 

>>> Being able to tap into the deeper levels, I believe, has

something to do with the strength of the connections between the

left and right hemispheres of the brain.<<<

 

I'm not sure that this is an explanation as to how we experience

different levels of awareness but…… I don't suppose you have seen

Julian Jaynes' `The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the

Bi-Cameral Mind' ? (Catchy title eh?). I speculates along the lines

of how thousands of years ago, before what might be called the `fall

of man', the two sides of the brain kind of talked to each other.

People interpreted this as the voices of `gods' in their heads,

although the `god' was just their intuitive sub-conscious selves

controlling their actions. At a later date people ceased to be

merely conscious and developed a self-referencing *self*

consciousness, developing an ego and causing the `gods' to fall

silent. He speculates that aspects of schizophrenia may be a

throwback to this earlier brain configuration. I wonder if also

autism could also have something to do with this.

 

>>>This is what Mike is referring to when he talks

about " collapsing a reality. " There are an infinite number of

outcomes possible when playing the video game, but which one we

experience, or collapse, depends on our beliefs, focus, emotions,

conditioning, expectations, etc. In quantum physics, they call it

parallel realities, and the one we " experience " or " collapse " depends

on the " observer mode " that we are " expecting " to see.<<<<

 

Yes, but I don't consider those parallel realities branching off

into an infinite number of universes as some scientists speculate.

There is just the one outcome, but the outcome derives only from

what is possible – what is latent in quantum potentia. When you talk

about the outcome we are `expecting' it is important to point out

that it is the sub-conscious, not the conscious, that is doing the

expecting.

 

>>>So to experience a better reality, we have to release those

beliefs that we are resisting, and focus on, with emotion, the

outcome that we prefer. The challenge for me is to trust and come to

expect that the universe will bring to us this preferred outcome,

rather than to come to expect the outcome that is most feared.

Something to keep in mind this hurricane season.<<<

 

This is why changing conditioning is so important to altering

outcome. Another point is that it is not just our personal aspect of

the sub-conscious that is controlling outcome – everyone else comes

into it too! Remember also that fear *is* conditioning; that's its

nature. Read Michael Sharp's e-book `Book of Light' which you can

download from http://www.red-ice.net/michaelsharp/index.html . Look

at Part 4 – `We Randomize'. (If this link doesn't work cut & paste

it).

 

>>>>Chaos occurs when a breakdown of beliefs or resistence is

brought into our awareness. However, quantum physics has proven that

there is a higher intelligence that reorganizes this chaos into a

higher order of awareness. Either there is a complete breakdown and

change to another form, or there is a reorganization to a higher

order.<<<

 

It is the higher intelligence that resolves the dilemma. But the

higher intelligence isn't a third-person or God, it's the common

awareness of all of us at a deep implicate level.

 

 

>>>>One more important aspect of quantum physics is the Holographic

Theory. If you slice a hologram into many pieces, each piece will

contain the whole. For example, a hologram of an apple - if sliced

into pieces, each piece will contain the whole apple. (This idea

comes from Michael Talbott's book, " The Holographic Universe. " ) Two

physicists discovered this at the same time, one (Karl Pilbram) in

relation to the brain and the other (David Bohm) in relation to the

universe.

 

What this implicates is that the " Whole " (of Consciousness)

contains all of the individual parts (our individual perceptions),

while at the same time, each of us individually contains access to

the " Whole " - the All. This is how we are connected. This is how we

pick up information from each other. This is how we influence each

other.<<<<

 

Something occurred to as a bolt from the blue one time while I

walking the dog(Oh dear - poor Rogo). I know now that it isn't

original but it was the realization that consciousness works on a

quantum basis. This means that consciousness exists or operates in

both a particulate and a wave form. The wave form is the field of

quantum potential, the implicate order, the holy spirit or Void.

This is impersonal – God. Not a third-person but THE person which is

the deeper level of us all. The particulate (collapsed), explicate

or personal form of consciousness is what we experience as

ourselves, the personal aspects of god. Quite how this happens I

haven't quite figured, nor have I seen it satisfyingly set down by

anyone else. What I speculate happens is that within ourselves,

consciousness looking back at consciousness looking out from its

source collapses its own wave form to create our own sense of being,

our I AM.

 

Another point is this. If consciousness has quantum characteristics

then it follows that it exists in both ground and excited states. Do

you remember how in my `Introducing Me' post (Post 8607) I talked

about the entry to certain experiences as being akin to `passing

through a gate that isn't there'? Another way of expressing that is

that it was the experience of a change without the experience of an

intermediate process of transition. That's what happens when an

electron in an atom changes between ground and various excited

states – one moment it's here, then in the next timeless instant

it's there – a change without a transition. Perhaps what I was

describing as a gateless gate is what a quantum shift actually

*feels* like.

 

Now. If consciousness has different excited states do these

correspond to different levels of vibration? Then, given that

similar vibrations attract, could it be that the higher levels of

vibration enable us to collapse explicate realities at those higher

energetic levels – to experience AP / OBE etc? Is this the mechanics

whereby the whole thing works?

 

More: If consciousness is shifting quantum states then what is the

nature of the energy input that raises the excited state? Where does

it come from, how is it controlled? The, on dropping states where

does the energy output go – in the fashion of an electron emitting a

photon when it drops states? Lots to think about.

 

Best wishes,

Mike

[Guest guest]

Mike and Deb,

I haven't done as much reading on these subjects it would seem as

the two of you have. What I have to relate is mostly my experience

being " out there " . It would seem to follow much of what you both

have to say. However, I have not been able to determine what makes

the difference when I get to a deeper level. Intention may have

something to do with it and it is only conjecture on my part to say

that it might have to do with the sub-conscious though that

certainly makes sense.

 

Some of the shifts I have made in my life seem to go beyond what is

possible at least what seemed possible from a limited point of

view. Whenever I want to make something happen that seems

impossible I just change prospective to where it is possible. Then I

just follow my gut. Every little thing makes a difference as to

forming the outcome. The big trick is to not include the ego in

determing what prospective to live from but to come from the higher

self (which certainly could be the collective consciousness.)

 

The same is true when OB. If I want to go somewhere, I just " be "

there. I create the prospective of being there and I am. Future,

present, past or beyond. Many of the prospectives " out there " are

not represented here. That creates an interesting problem when

trying to remember them.

 

Remember with the holographic analogy ... when you view a small part

of the hologram, as you said, the whole is still depicted but it is

in less detail or of a lower resolution. The same is true in our

lives.

 

Blessings

Sam

 

 

 

 

 

, " mgball2001 "

<mgball2001 wrote:

>

> Hi Deb,

>

> Thanks for that interesting post; I'm thinking along similar lines

> myself. I've jotted a few points that sprang to mind as I read……

>

> >>> Being able to tap into the deeper levels, I believe, has

> something to do with the strength of the connections between the

> left and right hemispheres of the brain.<<<

>

> I'm not sure that this is an explanation as to how we experience

> different levels of awareness but…… I don't suppose you have seen

> Julian Jaynes' `The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of

the

> Bi-Cameral Mind' ? (Catchy title eh?). I speculates along the

lines

> of how thousands of years ago, before what might be called the

`fall

> of man', the two sides of the brain kind of talked to each other.

> People interpreted this as the voices of `gods' in their heads,

> although the `god' was just their intuitive sub-conscious selves

> controlling their actions. At a later date people ceased to be

> merely conscious and developed a self-referencing *self*

> consciousness, developing an ego and causing the `gods' to fall

> silent. He speculates that aspects of schizophrenia may be a

> throwback to this earlier brain configuration. I wonder if also

> autism could also have something to do with this.

>

> >>>This is what Mike is referring to when he talks

> about " collapsing a reality. " There are an infinite number of

> outcomes possible when playing the video game, but which one we

> experience, or collapse, depends on our beliefs, focus, emotions,

> conditioning, expectations, etc. In quantum physics, they call it

> parallel realities, and the one we " experience " or " collapse "

depends

> on the " observer mode " that we are " expecting " to see.<<<<

>

> Yes, but I don't consider those parallel realities branching off

> into an infinite number of universes as some scientists speculate.

> There is just the one outcome, but the outcome derives only from

> what is possible – what is latent in quantum potentia. When you

talk

> about the outcome we are `expecting' it is important to point out

> that it is the sub-conscious, not the conscious, that is doing the

> expecting.

>

> >>>So to experience a better reality, we have to release those

> beliefs that we are resisting, and focus on, with emotion, the

> outcome that we prefer. The challenge for me is to trust and come

to

> expect that the universe will bring to us this preferred outcome,

> rather than to come to expect the outcome that is most feared.

> Something to keep in mind this hurricane season.<<<

>

> This is why changing conditioning is so important to altering

> outcome. Another point is that it is not just our personal aspect

of

> the sub-conscious that is controlling outcome – everyone else

comes

> into it too! Remember also that fear *is* conditioning; that's its

> nature. Read Michael Sharp's e-book `Book of Light' which you can

> download from http://www.red-ice.net/michaelsharp/index.html .

Look

> at Part 4 – `We Randomize'. (If this link doesn't work cut & paste

> it).

>

> >>>>Chaos occurs when a breakdown of beliefs or resistence is

> brought into our awareness. However, quantum physics has proven

that

> there is a higher intelligence that reorganizes this chaos into a

> higher order of awareness. Either there is a complete breakdown and

> change to another form, or there is a reorganization to a higher

> order.<<<

>

> It is the higher intelligence that resolves the dilemma. But the

> higher intelligence isn't a third-person or God, it's the common

> awareness of all of us at a deep implicate level.

>

>

> >>>>One more important aspect of quantum physics is the Holographic

> Theory. If you slice a hologram into many pieces, each piece will

> contain the whole. For example, a hologram of an apple - if sliced

> into pieces, each piece will contain the whole apple. (This idea

> comes from Michael Talbott's book, " The Holographic Universe. " ) Two

> physicists discovered this at the same time, one (Karl Pilbram) in

> relation to the brain and the other (David Bohm) in relation to the

> universe.

>

> What this implicates is that the " Whole " (of Consciousness)

> contains all of the individual parts (our individual perceptions),

> while at the same time, each of us individually contains access to

> the " Whole " - the All. This is how we are connected. This is how we

> pick up information from each other. This is how we influence each

> other.<<<<

>

> Something occurred to as a bolt from the blue one time while I

> walking the dog(Oh dear - poor Rogo). I know now that it isn't

> original but it was the realization that consciousness works on a

> quantum basis. This means that consciousness exists or operates in

> both a particulate and a wave form. The wave form is the field of

> quantum potential, the implicate order, the holy spirit or Void.

> This is impersonal – God. Not a third-person but THE person which

is

> the deeper level of us all. The particulate (collapsed), explicate

> or personal form of consciousness is what we experience as

> ourselves, the personal aspects of god. Quite how this happens I

> haven't quite figured, nor have I seen it satisfyingly set down by

> anyone else. What I speculate happens is that within ourselves,

> consciousness looking back at consciousness looking out from its

> source collapses its own wave form to create our own sense of

being,

> our I AM.

>

> Another point is this. If consciousness has quantum

characteristics

> then it follows that it exists in both ground and excited states.

Do

> you remember how in my `Introducing Me' post (Post 8607) I talked

> about the entry to certain experiences as being akin to `passing

> through a gate that isn't there'? Another way of expressing that

is

> that it was the experience of a change without the experience of

an

> intermediate process of transition. That's what happens when an

> electron in an atom changes between ground and various excited

> states – one moment it's here, then in the next timeless instant

> it's there – a change without a transition. Perhaps what I was

> describing as a gateless gate is what a quantum shift actually

> *feels* like.

>

> Now. If consciousness has different excited states do these

> correspond to different levels of vibration? Then, given that

> similar vibrations attract, could it be that the higher levels of

> vibration enable us to collapse explicate realities at those

higher

> energetic levels – to experience AP / OBE etc? Is this the

mechanics

> whereby the whole thing works?

>

> More: If consciousness is shifting quantum states then what is the

> nature of the energy input that raises the excited state? Where

does

> it come from, how is it controlled? The, on dropping states where

> does the energy output go – in the fashion of an electron emitting

a

> photon when it drops states? Lots to think about.

>

> Best wishes,

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sam,

 

At the risk of repeating something you've already read, here is a

clip from a post I recently made on the OOBE group. It seems to

apply here...

 

" I'm beginning to suspect that the problem lies in our conditioned

tendency to think of the world we live in as not being a causal

realm; that is, one that is not caused by or susceptible to

manipulation by thought, but one which is fixed and immutable by

other than physical intervention. Higher realms are said to be

causal; whatever you think comes to pass and some people have

discovered this on their astral travels. I suggest that this is also

the case with our realm. To be sure, the lower vibrations of this

realm mean that probability waves spread out only slowly and give

our world a turgid feel – like wading through treacle. This can

cause us to feel that we are victims of our environment, unable to

change things and pawns of fate.

 

I believe that we can change things for the better by the way we

think and feel, that this realm is as causal as any other, just

harder to change and slower to respond. Could it be that this fact

is the very reason why we incarnate here? Precisely to subject

ourselves to a world where things *don't* change easily and where

there is no quick and easy way out of the personality defects that

afflict us? Could it be that this forces us to face our demons and

strive to change ourselves? I don't know. "

 

Mike

 

, " dallyup52 "

<dallyup52 wrote:

>

> Mike and Deb,

> I haven't done as much reading on these subjects it would seem as

> the two of you have. What I have to relate is mostly my

experience

> being " out there " . It would seem to follow much of what you both

> have to say. However, I have not been able to determine what makes

> the difference when I get to a deeper level. Intention may have

> something to do with it and it is only conjecture on my part to

say

> that it might have to do with the sub-conscious though that

> certainly makes sense.

>

> Some of the shifts I have made in my life seem to go beyond what

is

> possible at least what seemed possible from a limited point of

> view. Whenever I want to make something happen that seems

> impossible I just change prospective to where it is possible. Then

I

> just follow my gut. Every little thing makes a difference as to

> forming the outcome. The big trick is to not include the ego in

> determing what prospective to live from but to come from the

higher

> self (which certainly could be the collective consciousness.)

>

> The same is true when OB. If I want to go somewhere, I just " be "

> there. I create the prospective of being there and I am. Future,

> present, past or beyond. Many of the prospectives " out there " are

> not represented here. That creates an interesting problem when

> trying to remember them.

>

> Remember with the holographic analogy ... when you view a small

part

> of the hologram, as you said, the whole is still depicted but it

is

> in less detail or of a lower resolution. The same is true in our

> lives.

>

> Blessings

> Sam

>

[Guest guest]

There are too few words to relate experience into words.... however,

it seems to me that the world here is casual but it is not so much

conscious thoughts that create change as that sounds too cognitive.

Maybe intention and sub-conscious thoughts. When I shift things in

this world I use the same intention that I use OB but it is

experienced differently here in this consciousness. So that it

seems like I am using the sub-conscious. It is like looking at two

different levels of consciousness through a veil. Either looks far

away from the other side of the veil and close from its own side of

the veil.

 

Does that make sense? Hard to explain...

 

And yes I agree that the reason it is difficult to change is to let

us learn the lessons we set up for ourselves. When it gets too easy

to shift my reality I get bored and don't learn much. There are

paths that I take (that I know I don't have to take) just to learn.

 

And yes, fear is a great guide if taken with a bit of common

intuitive sense.

Joy is the same.

I view emotions as feedback not a goal.

 

Blessings

Sam

 

, " mgball2001 "

<mgball2001 wrote:

>

>

> Hi Sam,

>

> At the risk of repeating something you've already read, here is a

> clip from a post I recently made on the OOBE group. It seems to

> apply here...

>

> " I'm beginning to suspect that the problem lies in our conditioned

> tendency to think of the world we live in as not being a causal

> realm; that is, one that is not caused by or susceptible to

> manipulation by thought, but one which is fixed and immutable by

> other than physical intervention. Higher realms are said to be

> causal; whatever you think comes to pass and some people have

> discovered this on their astral travels. I suggest that this is

also

> the case with our realm. To be sure, the lower vibrations of this

> realm mean that probability waves spread out only slowly and give

> our world a turgid feel – like wading through treacle. This can

> cause us to feel that we are victims of our environment, unable to

> change things and pawns of fate.

>

> I believe that we can change things for the better by the way we

> think and feel, that this realm is as causal as any other, just

> harder to change and slower to respond. Could it be that this fact

> is the very reason why we incarnate here? Precisely to subject

> ourselves to a world where things *don't* change easily and where

> there is no quick and easy way out of the personality defects that

> afflict us? Could it be that this forces us to face our demons and

> strive to change ourselves? I don't know. "

>

> Mike