Quantum Expectations - Mike/Deb/Sam

June 18, 2006

Hey Mike - I have not read Julian Jaynes theory about how before

the fall of man, the two sides of the brain talked to each other.

Where I got my ideas about the synchronization between the left and

right sides of the brain were from Bill Harris. A couple of years

ago, I had purchased his " holosync " CD's. The name of his company is

Centerpointe. They had a powerful effect on me. I began to

experience what I called " hallucinogenic dreams. " I named them that

because they were more real than any other dreams I have ever had. I

actually thought people were in my house!

I began to experience what Centerpointe calls " overwhelm. " Too

many fearful issues coming to the surface. It freaked me out and I

stopped listening. Two months later, I lost them in the hurricane.

My ideas about resistence, etc. all came from Bill Harris'

literature. Right after the storm, when I noticed this experience

of " detaching " from the experience and " witnessing " what was

happening, I thought of Bill Harris' literature and saw how it

applied, first hand, through experience. This is when I began to

grasp the truth of what he had said.

I had to replace the necessities first, but last month,

purchased the Holosync CD's again, because I realized that I wanted

to take the effects to a higher level. I am not trying to sell

anyone on Holosync. I am only bringing it up because I must give

credit where credit is due. I cannot take credit for these ideas

that I learned from him. And to be fair, he has his critics. I have

listened to them on another . He is mostly criticized for

being too expensive, bombarding with advertisement, and constantly

upselling. But the advertising and the upselling really does not

bother me, and I found the product to be highly effective and his

literature extremely helpful. So, that is just my personal choice.

Also Mike - I understand what you are saying about how you view

it as " possible outcomes " rather than parallel realities. And how

the " expectations " come more strongly from the subconscious level.

At the same time, I wonder if all possible outcomes do not " already

exist. " As you say - in a wave form.

I definitely agree that changing conditioning is important to

altering the outcome. This is what I am working on all the time -

trying to change my conditioning. And I certainly hope that we are

co-creators! I'd like to think I didn't create the world I

experience by myself! If I did, I'm one screwed up individual!

LOL! Although I have talked to people who don't see it that way.

I saved the Michael Sharp book to check out when I have more

time. And I agree with what you say about how the " higher

intelligence isn't a third-person or God, it's the common

awareness of all of us at a deep implicate level. " Yes, I see it

this way, too. This is something I understood better after reading

Ernest Holmes, author of " Science of Mind. "

I also agree with what you said here: " The wave form is the

field of quantum potential, the implicate order, the holy spirit or

Void. This is impersonal – God. Not a third-person but THE person

which is the deeper level of us all. " I also haven't figured out

exactly how this happens.

Now, what you are saying about the " gateless gate. " This makes

me think of William Buhlman's OBE books. He explains (I think) that

there are different realms of experience. If time and space are

illusions, then we do not have to go from " here " to " there " ever. We

simply " shift " to a different " state. " In other words, we are never

moving. We only " think " we are! What we are doing is shifting to a

different experience of reality. I think this does happen by

changing vibration. And as you mentioned (and so have I), the

physical experience is the lowest, slowest, most dense level. And

getting out of it is about as easy as running through mud. I think

the trick to it is " grasping consciously " the experience of living a

life free from physical limitations. More important than grasping

the higher maths, perhaps? But not necessarily any easier.

You asked, " energy input that raises the excited state? Where

does it come from, how is it controlled? " I think it comes from

higher states of awareness.

Then you asked, " Then, on dropping states where

does the energy output go – in the fashion of an electron emitting a

photon when it drops states? Lots to think about. " Well - you got me

on that one! LOL! I have no idea. This is where you pass me up on

quantum understanding! I am lost in your dust! LOL! (But that was

a compliment!)

Sam - I really like this statement of yours: " Whenever I want

to make something happen that seems impossible I just change

prospective to where it is possible. " I think this pretty much sums

it all up quite nicely!

And also Sam, where you said, " I view emotions as feedback not a

goal. " I am beginning to grasp this concept as well. This idea I

got from Jerry and Esther Hicks.

Mike - have a great trip! Talk to you when you get back.

Deb

PS to Sarceto: My ego thanks you for your kind words. (smile)

June 19, 2006

Hi Deb,

Thanks for the e-mail. Just a quick note...

I'll check out the books you mentioned when I get back. Also curious

about the holosynch thing.

>>>I wonder if all possible outcomes do not " already

> exist. " As you say - in a wave form.<<<

Yes!

>>> My ideas about resistence, etc. all came from Bill Harris'

> literature. Right after the storm, when I noticed this experience

> of " detaching " from the experience and " witnessing " what was

> happening, I thought of Bill Harris' literature and saw how it

> applied, first hand, through experience. This is when I began to

> grasp the truth of what he had said.<<<

Yes, look at the difference between the statements 'I am Angry'

and 'I see anger arising here'. See how at once the second one puts

the anger at one remove? Suddenly the anger no longer possesses you,

you possess it. It puts you in control.

>>> " Whenever I want

> to make something happen that seems impossible I just change

> prospective to where it is possible. " I think this pretty much

sums

> it all up quite nicely! <<<

I'll have to remember that: If it's against the rules - change the

rules! That's how we play as kids!

best wishes,

Mike

June 19, 2006

I think that that the holosynch thing is similar to the hemisynch,

isn't it?

I have been using the hemisynch from the Monroe Institute for

years. First went to Monroe's place in the mid 70's. Read his

book " Journey's out of the Body " and knew I had met a kindred spirit.

I find that the Hemisynch gets me to a relaxed state in minutes that

take me much longer by myself. I get to the same places just quicker.

Still sending energy to both of you, Deb's brother and my friend Terry.

Blessings

Sam

, " mgball2001 "

<mgball2001 wrote:

>

> Hi Deb,

>

> Thanks for the e-mail. Just a quick note...

>

> I'll check out the books you mentioned when I get back. Also curious

> about the holosynch thing.

June 19, 2006

>>>> Sam:

I think that that the holosynch thing is similar to the hemisynch,

isn't it? <<<<

Yes, I have heard of hemisynch, Sam. And as far as I know, I do

believe the two are very similar, although I have never tried

hemisynch.

I very much appreciate you sending energy my way and to my

brother! And, I am still doing the same for you, Mike and your friend

Terry.

Deb

June 20, 2006

I had very actives nights lately. I was sending and receiving so

much and at a depth that I hardly remember before. I was out for a

year or two last night. Didn't really want to leave it. Much about

connections with people here that I don't know in this physical

reality well but do know them well over there. I posted on the OBE

group a short thought about the difference between dreaming and Obe

that I will copy here. I could see how someone without a firm grasp

of this reality could slip into disfunctionality with all the

memories colliding after an experience like I had these last few

nights. What a great time.

There are some specific channels of energy transmission that are

staying the same. I suspect it is you, Deb, your brother, Mike and

Terry. I know the imprint of the energy wave but not the names.

For me the difference between dreams, lucid dreams, OOBE, after

almost 60 years doing it, is really a fine line. It has to do with

definition mostly and collaboration.

And we all know that we all have a different definition of what each

of these 'things' are. Most of the differences, to me, is in what

it means to me (what is the meanfulness) and how much of it is

collaborated in the C-1 reality.

Last night I had an experience that lasted for some long extended

time (we are talking over a year, don't get me started). It had

elements in it that will never (I hope) be collaberated exactally in

this reality, but they are mirrored here in people that I know (and

now I know more about them and their relationship with me). I was

not lucid in the sense that I knew it was a dream at all times (some

of the time) but I was lucid in the sense that I was totally aware

of what I was doing and had choice. It wasn't OOBE were everything

was mirrored exactly as it is in this reality but was OOBE in that

there was mirroring in a more abstract sense and I found out things

that I couldn't have known through my ordinary senses about people

in this reality.

So where is the line. In my experience it is not a linear line. Go

figure.

I have struggled with this for many years. : ) I am sure that it is

a personal struggle and we will all come up with our own answers.

Don't take mine for your truth.

Sam

, " Deb "

<Deb111222 wrote:

>

> >>>> Sam:

> I think that that the holosynch thing is similar to the hemisynch,

> isn't it? <<<<

>

> Yes, I have heard of hemisynch, Sam. And as far as I know, I

do

> believe the two are very similar, although I have never tried

> hemisynch.

>

> I very much appreciate you sending energy my way and to my

> brother! And, I am still doing the same for you, Mike and your

friend

> Terry.

>

> Deb

>

June 20, 2006

Sam - what is C-1 reality?

Your ventures into the astral sound very fascinating to me. It

sounds like you are getting incredible results. You may have

mentioned this already, but what exactly is your method to induce

such an experience? Is it meditation first?

I agree with Mike that it sounds like you are very successful at

this sort of thing. And also, what you said about how the realities

can become disorienting at times. There have been times when I

thought I had a memory that other people do not remember, and I

wonder, " Did I dream that? "

Very interesting.

Deb

PS to Chrism: I have never tried Hemi-synch. It sounds like this

may be even more powerful than holosync for inducing OBE's. Has me

curious. Although I have had some powerful experiences with

holosync, but not frequently.

June 21, 2006

C-1 is what Robert Monroe calls this waking reality. Sorry about

that. I have been to TMI too many times.

I get myself into a very relaxed state. Mind awake and body asleep.

And then explore.

I use the Hemisynch at times to shorten the process of inducing deep

trance states. It can be quite effective but it is nothing that you

can't do just by yourself.

Dreams have their own reality a different prospective.

Blessings

Sam

, " Deb "

<Deb111222 wrote:

>

> Sam - what is C-1 reality?

>

> Your ventures into the astral sound very fascinating to me.

It

> sounds like you are getting incredible results. You may have

> mentioned this already, but what exactly is your method to induce

> such an experience? Is it meditation first?

>

> I agree with Mike that it sounds like you are very successful

at

> this sort of thing. And also, what you said about how the

realities

> can become disorienting at times. There have been times when I

> thought I had a memory that other people do not remember, and I

> wonder, " Did I dream that? "

>

> Very interesting.

>

> Deb

>

> PS to Chrism: I have never tried Hemi-synch. It sounds like this

> may be even more powerful than holosync for inducing OBE's. Has

me

> curious. Although I have had some powerful experiences with

> holosync, but not frequently.

>

June 21, 2006

>>>> Sam:

C-1 is what Robert Monroe calls this waking reality. Sorry about

that. I have been to TMI too many times.

I get myself into a very relaxed state. Mind awake and body asleep.

And then explore.

I use the Hemisynch at times to shorten the process of inducing deep

trance states. It can be quite effective but it is nothing that you

can't do just by yourself. <<<<

Thanks Sam - I just like to know what successful people are

doing! I'm doing the same thing - but on nights when I am too tired,

I don't even try.

One thing I've been thinking about lately is that in the

mornings, when I am laying there remembering my dreams, this would be

an excellent time to try to consciously go " back into " the dream. I

am going to try this on the weekend when I don't have to worry about

work.

Also, those 5 Tibetans have been doing wonders for me. I can't

believe how much better I feel when I do them.

Thanks again!

Deb

June 21, 2006

Often when you are lieing there still with your eyes closed and just

fresh out of a dream. Thinking about the dream and trying to

remember more about it. That is often still a very deep trance

state even though it " feels " very awake. It is still on the verge

of the deeper states. It is a great time to witness the shift. Be

alert for it can happen in a wink of the eye. Maybe quicker.

And yes a great time to revisit the dream or OB state. Also a great

time to program brain with positive/useful suggestions. Good time to

send energy out to Tryphtych. : )

BlessU

Sam

, " Deb "

<Deb111222 wrote:

>

> One thing I've been thinking about lately is that in the

> mornings, when I am laying there remembering my dreams, this would

be

> an excellent time to try to consciously go " back into " the dream.

June 22, 2006