Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Dear Sach and List Members, More troubles..;-( On the Gore worksheet, even though I realized my error on line 12 because I realized that no malefic effects are given for secondary upachaya lords aspecting houses A, B, or C, I still don't understand why 5 points were NOT deducted for the Mars aspect to Mercury on line 16 of the worksheet? In checking back over our past examples, Krushna gave an exercise (the first one) that showed that "no effect" was given for malefic aspects for a secondary upachaya lord on line 12, however, in this same chart, malefic points WERE deducted for the other secondary upachaya lord (planets aspecting planets) on line 16... so I'm confused. So if in the Gore Worksheet on line 14 when Mars aspects Mercury, and Mars has 5 bindus in its ashtakavarga, why are not 5 points deducted on line 16 to give the total for Mercury at 12 points rather than 17? ~Namaste~ Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Dear Detective - << I think you also forgot to do the same on the chart of Bush with regards to Saturn. Saturn has sight on both Moon and Jupiter, which has an effect of a minus 5, bringing Moon's total to 8 and Jupiter's to 11, rather than 13 and 16? >> Yeah, but aren't we only talking about the asepcts to the main houses A, B and C here? The house you're referring to is House E, a secondary Upachaya. . .. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Dear Detective - << In other words, in both cases where I see errors, I am referring to " planet to planet " aspects and the errors therin. (Line 14). So now for the Bush worksheet, I believe Sach omitted Saturn's (sight) aspect on both the Moon and Jupiter, which would reflect a different total than what Sach originally came up with. >> OK, I see what you're saying now as I also took the aspect to the Moon and Jupiter from Saturn. > So a " minus 5 " should be deducted from the planetary totals of both Moon and Jupiter, reflecting a final total of 8 points for the Moon and 11 points for Jupiter, rather than what Sach listed as 13 for the Moon and 16 for Jupiter. Ialso took off the -5 for each of these and although I got the same total of 8 for the Moon that you did, I only got 10 points for Jupiter. Where did you come up with the extra point? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Dear Sach, I think you also forgot to do the same on the chart of Bush with regards to Saturn. Saturn has sight on both Moon and Jupiter, which has an effect of a minus 5, bringing Moon's total to 8 and Jupiter's to 11, rather than 13 and 16? ~Namaste~ Sandy > Dear Sandy, > you are correct, I forgot to take effect of Mars sight on Mercury, it will > reduce points of Mercury to 12. > thanks > sach > > > > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy > > > > > > Gore Worksheet/Mercury Clarifications > >Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:17 -0400 > > > >Dear Sach and List Members, > > > >More troubles..;-( > > > >On the Gore worksheet, even though I realized my error on line 12 because I > >realized that no malefic effects are given for secondary upachaya lords > >aspecting houses A, B, or C, I still don't understand why 5 points were NOT > >deducted for the Mars aspect to Mercury on line 16 of the worksheet? > > > >In checking back over our past examples, Krushna gave an exercise (the > >first one) that showed that " no effect " was given for malefic aspects for a > >secondary upachaya lord on line 12, however, in this same chart, malefic > >points WERE deducted for the other secondary upachaya lord (planets > >aspecting planets) on line 16... so I'm confused. > > > >So if in the Gore Worksheet on line 14 when Mars aspects Mercury, and Mars > >has 5 bindus in its ashtakavarga, why are not 5 points deducted on line 16 > >to give the total for Mercury at 12 points rather than 17? > > > >~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Sandy, I'm not sure if this is the case for you but when I was doing one of my charts I found the same for one planet on line 16 - I know not why Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Dear Sandy, you are correct, I forgot to take effect of Mars sight on Mercury, it will reduce points of Mercury to 12. thanks sach > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy > > > Gore Worksheet/Mercury Clarifications >Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:17 -0400 > >Dear Sach and List Members, > >More troubles..;-( > >On the Gore worksheet, even though I realized my error on line 12 because I >realized that no malefic effects are given for secondary upachaya lords >aspecting houses A, B, or C, I still don't understand why 5 points were NOT >deducted for the Mars aspect to Mercury on line 16 of the worksheet? > >In checking back over our past examples, Krushna gave an exercise (the >first one) that showed that " no effect " was given for malefic aspects for a >secondary upachaya lord on line 12, however, in this same chart, malefic >points WERE deducted for the other secondary upachaya lord (planets >aspecting planets) on line 16... so I'm confused. > >So if in the Gore Worksheet on line 14 when Mars aspects Mercury, and Mars >has 5 bindus in its ashtakavarga, why are not 5 points deducted on line 16 >to give the total for Mercury at 12 points rather than 17? > >~Namaste~ > Sandy _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Dear Doc, I wrote to Sach: > > << I think you also forgot to do the same on the chart of Bush with regards to > Saturn. Saturn has sight on both Moon and Jupiter, which has an effect of a > minus 5, bringing Moon's total to 8 and Jupiter's to 11, rather than 13 and > 16? > Donna wrote: > Yeah, but aren't we only talking about the asepcts to the main houses A, B > and C here? The house you're referring to is House E, a secondary Upachaya. . > . > > Doc No - That was for the misunderstanding about Jupiter in the Gore chart where Jupiter is counted MORE than once for each time it aspects House A, B, & C...And then Mercury having no " malefic " effects for line 12 (on the Gore worksheet) because it is Lord of a secondary upachaya and therefor cannot contribute malefically, only benefically. So these are two separate things reflected on two different lines. I'm talking about an error on the worksheet with regards to " planet to planet " aspects, where malefic effects ARE counted even if these effects are applying to lords of the secondary upachaya houses (D & E). On the Gore Worksheet, Sach's mistake was on line 14 where he forgot to apply the Mars aspect to Mercury, which results in a deduction of 5 points for Line 16, making the total points for Mercury 12 rather than the original 17 he has listed. In other words, in both cases where I see errors, I am referring to " planet to planet " aspects and the errors therin. (Line 14). So now for the Bush worksheet, I believe Sach omitted Saturn's (sight) aspect on both the Moon and Jupiter, which would reflect a different total than what Sach originally came up with. So a " minus 5 " should be deducted from the planetary totals of both Moon and Jupiter, reflecting a final total of 8 points for the Moon and 11 points for Jupiter, rather than what Sach listed as 13 for the Moon and 16 for Jupiter. Detective > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Dear Peter, I didn't save the charts but I will re-do them and post what I have for values to the list for comparison. Line 16 on the Gore chart should reflect a minus 5 under Mercury for the Mars aspect bringing the total to 12 rather than 17. ~Namaste~ Sandy Sandy, I'm not sure if this is the case for you but when I was doing one of my charts I found the same for one planet on line 16 - I know not why Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Dear Sandy, Namaste, In the case of Bush, Saturn is lord of House 'D' and has 5 points, so no bad effect of sight, or no effect of the sight. So the final points of Moon wil be 13 and that of Jupiter will be 16. Sach > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy > > >Re: Gore Worksheet/Mercury >Clarifications >Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:47:58 -0400 > >Dear Sach, > >I think you also forgot to do the same on the chart of Bush with regards to >Saturn. Saturn has sight on both Moon and Jupiter, which has an effect of a >minus 5, bringing Moon's total to 8 and Jupiter's to 11, rather than 13 and >16? > >~Namaste~ > Sandy > > > Dear Sandy, > > you are correct, I forgot to take effect of Mars sight on Mercury, it >will > > reduce points of Mercury to 12. > > thanks > > sach > > > > > > > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy > > > > > > > > > Gore Worksheet/Mercury >Clarifications > > >Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:17 -0400 > > > > > >Dear Sach and List Members, > > > > > >More troubles..;-( > > > > > >On the Gore worksheet, even though I realized my error on line 12 >because >I > > >realized that no malefic effects are given for secondary upachaya lords > > >aspecting houses A, B, or C, I still don't understand why 5 points were >NOT > > >deducted for the Mars aspect to Mercury on line 16 of the worksheet? > > > > > >In checking back over our past examples, Krushna gave an exercise (the > > >first one) that showed that " no effect " was given for malefic aspects >for >a > > >secondary upachaya lord on line 12, however, in this same chart, >malefic > > >points WERE deducted for the other secondary upachaya lord (planets > > >aspecting planets) on line 16... so I'm confused. > > > > > >So if in the Gore Worksheet on line 14 when Mars aspects Mercury, and >Mars > > >has 5 bindus in its ashtakavarga, why are not 5 points deducted on line >16 > > >to give the total for Mercury at 12 points rather than 17? > > > > > >~Namaste~ > > > Sandy > > > > >_______________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2000 Report Share Posted September 29, 2000 Dear Sach, Thanks for the clarification - I also wasn't aware that a secondary upachaya lord would NOT contribute any malefic points to other planets (as well as the main upachaya houses A, B, & C) so this clears up another point of confusion. Thanks! And thanks for your patience with us. ~Namaste~ Sandy > Dear Sandy, > Namaste, > In the case of Bush, Saturn is lord of House 'D' and has 5 points, so no bad > effect of sight, or no effect of the sight. So the final points of Moon wil > be 13 and that of Jupiter will be 16. > Sach > > > > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy > > > > > >Re: Gore Worksheet/Mercury > >Clarifications > >Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:47:58 -0400 > > > >Dear Sach, > > > >I think you also forgot to do the same on the chart of Bush with regards to > >Saturn. Saturn has sight on both Moon and Jupiter, which has an effect of a > >minus 5, bringing Moon's total to 8 and Jupiter's to 11, rather than 13 and > >16? > > > >~Namaste~ > > Sandy > > > > > Dear Sandy, > > > you are correct, I forgot to take effect of Mars sight on Mercury, it > >will > > > reduce points of Mercury to 12. > > > thanks > > > sach > > > > > > > > > > " Sandy Crowther " <sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > Gore Worksheet/Mercury > >Clarifications > > > >Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:54:17 -0400 > > > > > > > >Dear Sach and List Members, > > > > > > > >More troubles..;-( > > > > > > > >On the Gore worksheet, even though I realized my error on line 12 > >because > >I > > > >realized that no malefic effects are given for secondary upachaya lords > > > >aspecting houses A, B, or C, I still don't understand why 5 points were > >NOT > > > >deducted for the Mars aspect to Mercury on line 16 of the worksheet? > > > > > > > >In checking back over our past examples, Krushna gave an exercise (the > > > >first one) that showed that " no effect " was given for malefic aspects > >for > >a > > > >secondary upachaya lord on line 12, however, in this same chart, > >malefic > > > >points WERE deducted for the other secondary upachaya lord (planets > > > >aspecting planets) on line 16... so I'm confused. > > > > > > > >So if in the Gore Worksheet on line 14 when Mars aspects Mercury, and > >Mars > > > >has 5 bindus in its ashtakavarga, why are not 5 points deducted on line > >16 > > > >to give the total for Mercury at 12 points rather than 17? > > > > > > > >~Namaste~ > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > >_______________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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