Latest Clarifications

[Guest guest]

Dear Sandy, Peter and group -

 

<< Yes...Krushna and Sach do a TERRIFIC job in translating this wonderful

system to us - The English language IS very ambiguous which makes both

learning and explaining difficult...I mean it is hard enough when you are

born into the english language to understand some of the complexities that

exist - couple THAT with the study (and translation) of a deep and complex

subject, such as jyotish, and there are bound to be confusions!!! But we're

doing OK here...;-) >>

 

I totally agree here. The English Language is one of the hardest languages to

learn because of all the double meanings and phrasings that the language is

composed of.

And thanks Sandy, for the high points to remember about the Secondary

Upacahayas. I will put these reminders in a separate notebook similar to what

we have in our other group and post it to the site shortly. We can then use

it to update good points to remember as we go along.

 

Thanks again, Sandy!

Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter and List Members,

 

Yes...Krushna and Sach do a TERRIFIC job in translating this wonderful

system to us - The English language IS very ambiguous which makes both

learning and explaining difficult...I mean it is hard enough when you are

born into the english language to understand some of the complexities that

exist - couple THAT with the study (and translation) of a deep and complex

subject, such as jyotish, and there are bound to be confusions!!! But we're

doing OK here...;-)

 

Anyway, here is what I am (fairly) ;-) clear on... pertaining to the role of

the Main (A,B, & C) and Secondary (D & E) Upachaya Lords:

 

1. Secondary Upachaya Lords will give NO malefic effects when having sight

on (aspecting) Primary Upachaya houses A, B, and C, but will contribute

benefically.

2. Secondary Upachaya Lords will also give NO malefic effects when having

sight on (aspecting) other planets in the chart, but will contribute

benefically.

3. Secondary Upachaya Lords are always able to contribute benefic effects

and never able to contribute malefically. Their role is to support.

4. Other planets having sight on (aspecting) these Secondary Upachaya Lords

CAN give malefic effects.

5. EACH individual aspect is counted when we name the planets that are

aspecting houses A, B, and C and the aspects to the other planets - In other

words - If Jupiter aspects TWO main upachaya houses and has an ashtakavarga

value of 5 points, a total of a minus 10 points must be factored in to the

calculations.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

 

> Sandy,

> Glad to hear I am not the only one who is often in the dark with parts of

> explanations. I also think you're right regarding the language barrier

too.

> English can be such an ambiguous language. For example where Krushna said

> sign and constellation the " and " could be taken to mean " as well as " in

> which case it could mean " or " - which I think it probably does. Even

reading

> that sentance I have just written doesn't make complete sense!.

> Personally I think that both Krushna and Sach do a marvellous job with

their

> English - I know many people who were born in England and don't do so

well.

> By the way did I ever tell you the story of the Frenchman who had studied

> English for ten years before finall deciding to try out his prowess. As he

> walked out the station in London he saw a large advert for a West End show

> it said " Annie Get Your Gun -mpronounced SUCCESS " He shot himself. Ha Ha

> Ha

>

> Peter

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

 

> And thanks Sandy, for the high points to remember about the Secondary

> Upacahayas. I will put these reminders in a separate notebook similar to

what

> we have in our other group and post it to the site shortly. We can then

use

> it to update good points to remember as we go along.

 

Thanks Doc...Great idea! (MORE good medicine from our resident Doc.;-)) And

one more point that I forgot to mention, that I had previously asked Krushna

a while back for clarification on concerning the Main and Secondary Upachaya

Lords is this:

 

1. When a planet lords BOTH a Main and Secondary Upachaya House, the

Secondary Upachaya Lord takes precedence over the Main, when factoring in

the planets effects.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Thanks Doc...Great idea! (MORE good medicine from our resident Doc.;-)) And

one more point that I forgot to mention, that I had previously asked Krushna

a while back for clarification on concerning the Main and Secondary Upachaya

Lords is this:

 

1. When a planet lords BOTH a Main and Secondary Upachaya House, the

Secondary Upachaya Lord takes precedence over the Main, when factoring in

the planets effects.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

Sandy,

I'm not quite sure what the above statement means could you explain further.

Peter

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter,

 

> 1. When a planet lords BOTH a Main and Secondary Upachaya House, the

> Secondary Upachaya Lord takes precedence over the Main, when factoring in

> the planets effects.

>

> ~Namaste~

> Sandy

 

> Sandy,

> I'm not quite sure what the above statement means could you explain

further.

> Peter

 

Sure...I'll give you an example to help clarify this.

 

In the Event of Marriage, say we have Virgo rising. The Main Upachaya Houses

(2nd, 7th and 11th from Virgo) would be ruled by Venus, Jupiter and the

Moon, while the Secondary Upachaya Houses (4 and 12) are ruled by Jupiter

and the Sun. So in this case we have the planet Jupiter as Lord of BOTH a

Main and Secondary Upachaya House.

 

Now because different " laws " govern these two houses, we would use the laws

that apply to the Secondary Upachaya Lords and not factor into consideration

any malefic effects for the planet Jupiter, because even though it is a Main

Upachaya Lord, it is ALSO a Secondary Upachaya Lord, and the Secondary

Upachaya Lords always take precedence (when figuring their values into the

worksheet) over the Main Upachaya Lords. So, in essence, Jupiter will

contribute no malefic effects if it aspects Houses A, B, or C or other

planets.

 

Hope this helps to clarify the statement above.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sandy,

I thought that was what you had said earlier. Basically anyway it boils down

to the fact that if a planet is the lord of a secondary upchaya house it

cannot do harm to the main significators and in the worksheet although it

can cause points to be added to other planets it cannot cause any to be

taken away. OK

 

Peter