Guest guest Posted October 5, 2000 Report Share Posted October 5, 2000 Respected Sir, Please find my answer in attachment. krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2000 Report Share Posted October 8, 2000 Respected Krushna, I read your letter with interest. I was ableto go along with your first 6 points which dealt with the choice of the main significator ( ie the one in whose sub-period the marriage/event will take place) but from your point no 7 I was both disappointed and to a certain extent dismayed. Points 7 – 11 tended to be rather vague and not specific enough to use.Basically as you said in point 11 "All these are a matter of practise". Too me that is a death sentence for my use of the method. As you are aware I am now 70 years of age, I no longer see clients and although I have a database of probably hundred of ex students clients etc. those people have now gone out of my life and I have no contact with them thus would be unable to get their marriage details. As it is I have possibly about 4-5 friends whose marriage details I can get at, not many to use to get to know a new system. I am not really convinced that there is no definite system – think about it. I am sure you do not just pick the planets at random. When you first look at the list of all the planets points and after you have chosen the main significator you have to then select two planets ( or possibly just one) to get a more exact date. As I say you do not pick at random, you say it is usually the next 2nd or 3rd significator so presumably you look at those first and for some reason either reject or accept each them, if you reject you must then select another or 2 more and either select or reject them. In other words there is a definate way in wich you do your selections but you do it mentally and you haven’t, as yet, put it on paper. I realise that this can be very difficult even when you do it your native language. What it is like in a foreign language I cannot esti,mate as I have never ahd to do it. But it is this thought process you go through when choosing the 2 planets that we (or at least I need to know) I can however suggest a method which may ease the burden on you ( although I am not sure of this). You have, as you say studied hundreds of charts in testing the method for marriages so you ahev therefore ample data. I you could choose say 12 of those charts ( with numbers instead of names) and go through how you have selected the final 2 planets. These examples would give me/us the practice I/we need. You don’t have to go through the whole worksheet just start with the line 17 points and tell us which planet has been selected for the main significator ( reasons for this selection would be an added bonus but are not strictly necessary). You could then put in writing the reasons for the actual selection of planets to give the more exact date of marriage. Possibly I am asking a lot of you but without this I am basically condemmed to being only able to forecast the period given by the sub-period planet. Lets face it to get good experience you need to stat with examples to work through, You are the one with the examples and you are the one with the expreience. I hesitate to say this as it may seem uncharitable but you are the one who also said that you could teach anyone to pick marriage dates within 13 days USING YOUR METHOD. Really all I am asking you to do is to make good on that promise. Yours most respectfully, Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2000 Report Share Posted October 8, 2000 Dear Peter; You must have observed my attitude at the message board for me the things must be clear and in black and white. Regards Hamid Sheikh > " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay > > >Re: Answer to Shri Peter's Qu. >Mon, 9 Oct 2000 00:28:30 +1000 > >Respected Krushna, > >I read your letter with interest. I was ableto go along with your first 6 >points which dealt with the choice of the main significator ( ie the one in >whose sub-period the marriage/event will take place) but from your point no >7 I was both disappointed and to a certain extent dismayed. Points 7 – 11 >tended to be rather vague and not specific enough to use.Basically as you >said in point 11 " All these are a matter of practise " . Too me that is a >death sentence for my use of the method. As you are aware I am now 70 years >of age, I no longer see clients and although I have a database of probably >hundred of ex students clients etc. those people have now gone out of my >life and I have no contact with them thus would be unable to get their >marriage details. As it is I have possibly about 4-5 friends whose marriage >details I can get at, not many to use to get to know a new system. > >I am not really convinced that there is no definite system – think about >it. I am sure you do not just pick the planets at random. When you first >look at the list of all the planets points and after you have chosen the >main significator you have to then select two planets ( or possibly just >one) to get a more exact date. As I say you do not pick at random, you say >it is usually the next 2nd or 3rd significator so presumably you look at >those first and for some reason either reject or accept each them, if you >reject you must then select another or 2 more and either select or reject >them. In other words there is a definate way in wich you do your selections >but you do it mentally and you haven’t, as yet, put it on paper. I realise >that this can be very difficult even when you do it your native language. >What it is like in a foreign language I cannot esti,mate as I have never >ahd to do it. But it is this thought process you go through when choosing >the 2 planets that we (or at least I need to know) > >I can however suggest a method which may ease the burden on you ( although >I am not sure of this). You have, as you say studied hundreds of charts in >testing the method for marriages so you ahev therefore ample data. I you >could choose say 12 of those charts ( with numbers instead of names) and go >through how you have selected the final 2 planets. These examples would >give me/us the practice I/we need. You don’t have to go through the whole >worksheet just start with the line 17 points and tell us which planet has >been selected for the main significator ( reasons for this selection would >be an added bonus but are not strictly necessary). You could then put in >writing the reasons for the actual selection of planets to give the more >exact date of marriage. > >Possibly I am asking a lot of you but without this I am basically condemmed >to being only able to forecast the period given by the sub-period planet. >Lets face it to get good experience you need to stat with examples to work >through, You are the one with the examples and you are the one with the >expreience. I hesitate to say this as it may seem uncharitable but you are >the one who also said that you could teach anyone to pick marriage dates >within 13 days USING YOUR METHOD. Really all I am asking you to do is to >make good on that promise. > > >Yours most respectfully, > > >Peter > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2000 Report Share Posted October 9, 2000 Dear Hamidbhai, From your letter, address to Shri Peterji, Ofcourse I dont know, in which respect you have written this, but this indicates that You take Astrology as Art. krushna > " Hamid Sheikh " <sheikh_hamid > > >CC: hamidsheikh1 >Re: Answer to Shri Peter's Qu. >Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:28:26 GMT > > >Dear Peter; > >You must have observed my attitude at the message board for me the things >must be clear and in black and white. > >Regards >Hamid Sheikh > > > > > > " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay > > > > > >Re: Answer to Shri Peter's Qu. > >Mon, 9 Oct 2000 00:28:30 +1000 > > > >Respected Krushna, > > > >I read your letter with interest. I was ableto go along with your first 6 > >points which dealt with the choice of the main significator ( ie the one >in > >whose sub-period the marriage/event will take place) but from your point >no > >7 I was both disappointed and to a certain extent dismayed. Points 7 – 11 > >tended to be rather vague and not specific enough to use.Basically as you > >said in point 11 " All these are a matter of practise " . Too me that is a > >death sentence for my use of the method. As you are aware I am now 70 >years > >of age, I no longer see clients and although I have a database of >probably > >hundred of ex students clients etc. those people have now gone out of my > >life and I have no contact with them thus would be unable to get their > >marriage details. As it is I have possibly about 4-5 friends whose >marriage > >details I can get at, not many to use to get to know a new system. > > > >I am not really convinced that there is no definite system – think about > >it. I am sure you do not just pick the planets at random. When you first > >look at the list of all the planets points and after you have chosen the > >main significator you have to then select two planets ( or possibly just > >one) to get a more exact date. As I say you do not pick at random, you >say > >it is usually the next 2nd or 3rd significator so presumably you look at > >those first and for some reason either reject or accept each them, if you > >reject you must then select another or 2 more and either select or reject > >them. In other words there is a definate way in wich you do your >selections > >but you do it mentally and you haven’t, as yet, put it on paper. I >realise > >that this can be very difficult even when you do it your native language. > >What it is like in a foreign language I cannot esti,mate as I have never > >ahd to do it. But it is this thought process you go through when choosing > >the 2 planets that we (or at least I need to know) > > > >I can however suggest a method which may ease the burden on you ( >although > >I am not sure of this). You have, as you say studied hundreds of charts >in > >testing the method for marriages so you ahev therefore ample data. I you > >could choose say 12 of those charts ( with numbers instead of names) and >go > >through how you have selected the final 2 planets. These examples would > >give me/us the practice I/we need. You don’t have to go through the whole > >worksheet just start with the line 17 points and tell us which planet has > >been selected for the main significator ( reasons for this selection >would > >be an added bonus but are not strictly necessary). You could then put in > >writing the reasons for the actual selection of planets to give the more > >exact date of marriage. > > > >Possibly I am asking a lot of you but without this I am basically >condemmed > >to being only able to forecast the period given by the sub-period planet. > >Lets face it to get good experience you need to stat with examples to >work > >through, You are the one with the examples and you are the one with the > >expreience. I hesitate to say this as it may seem uncharitable but you >are > >the one who also said that you could teach anyone to pick marriage dates > >within 13 days USING YOUR METHOD. Really all I am asking you to do is to > >make good on that promise. > > > > > >Yours most respectfully, > > > > > >Peter > > > >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2000 Report Share Posted October 9, 2000 Dear Hamid, Thankyou for your 2 letters one to Hotmail and this one to my normal address. I cannot agree with you entirely in what you say regarding Krushna's astakavarga methodology. Up to a point he has done a very good job,, I can now designate in which Bhukti period the marriage will take place. The problem is that to narrow it down from there he has been (to me) rather vague. In his favour I must say that the method he has given so far have been very simple and straight forward. It has also been simplified even further by other members of the group who have put the worksheet Krushna created into Excel so that all the calculations are done automatically leaving you with the " Total " planet points to consider in order to choose the correct bhukti. I have a limited knowledge of traditional Vedic but even I have no real problem in choosing which planet's bhukti the marriage will fall in. At this stage 2 other planets have to be chosen to get a much smaller time period for the marriage using the nakshatras.iod will be the sign of one planet and the constellation of the other. His description of the finding the 2 planets was merely well they have to be the next 2 highest point scorers which have a connection with marriage, or a very similarly worded phrase. This is very vague to me and I have asked either for say 12 example of doing this , so that I can follow his logic or more explicit instructions. He has just said he will do something but I'm notquite sure what. My problem is that although I studied traditional Vedic for about a year the lessons were not in a formal learnign format. The students selected a subject for each lesson (every 2 weeks) and he taught that particular thing. In the main we were concerned with how to judge the strength of a planet and whether it would act as malefic or benefic ( as you no doubt know better than me) if a planet is a natural malefic eg Saturn but it is FUNCTIONALY benefic it can act in either way and vice versa with the benefics. It was at thuis stage that I took up the Systems Aproach which solved all those problems for me. However I still only have sletchy idea of traditional Vedic which is proving to be a disadvantage in the astakavarga system. Now you asked for my help, I am not quite sure what you are looking for but I only have about 4 sets of birth details on which I can give you also the marriage date if these are of use to you in research you are welcome to use them. Just let me know if that is what you want and I will send you what details I have got. Namaste, Peter S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2000 Report Share Posted October 9, 2000 Dear Peter; Thank you; I feel I was still under the first impact influence of the club I had,I am really sorry and wish Krushna all the best. With Warmest Regards to you all members Hamid Sheikh P>S Please send me details of natives. ______________________________\ _______________ > " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay > > >Re: Answer to Shri Peter's Qu. >Mon, 9 Oct 2000 23:47:11 +1000 > >Dear Hamid, >Thankyou for your 2 letters one to Hotmail and this one to my normal >address. >I cannot agree with you entirely in what you say regarding Krushna's >astakavarga methodology. Up to a point he has done a very good job,, I can >now designate in which Bhukti period the marriage will take place. The >problem is that to narrow it down from there he has been (to me) rather >vague. In his favour I must say that the method he has given so far have >been very simple and straight forward. It has also been simplified even >further by other members of the group who have put the worksheet Krushna >created into Excel so that all the calculations are done automatically >leaving you with the " Total " planet points to consider in order to choose >the correct bhukti. I have a limited knowledge of traditional Vedic but >even >I have no real problem in choosing which planet's bhukti the marriage will >fall in. >At this stage 2 other planets have to be chosen to get a much smaller time >period for the marriage using the nakshatras.iod will be the sign of one >planet and the constellation of the other. His description of the finding >the 2 planets was merely well they have to be the next 2 highest point >scorers which have a connection with marriage, or a very similarly worded >phrase. This is very vague to me and I have asked either for say 12 example >of doing this , so that I can follow his logic or more explicit >instructions. He has just said he will do something but I'm notquite sure >what. My problem is that although I studied traditional Vedic for about a >year the lessons were not in a formal learnign format. The students >selected >a subject for each lesson (every 2 weeks) and he taught that particular >thing. In the main we were concerned with how to judge the strength of a >planet and whether it would act as malefic or benefic ( as you no doubt >know >better than me) if a planet is a natural malefic eg Saturn but it is >FUNCTIONALY benefic it can act in either way and vice versa with the >benefics. >It was at thuis stage that I took up the Systems Aproach which solved all >those problems for me. However I still only have sletchy idea of >traditional >Vedic which is proving to be a disadvantage in the astakavarga system. >Now you asked for my help, I am not quite sure what you are looking for >but I only have about 4 sets of birth details on which I can give you also >the marriage date if these are of use to you in research you are welcome to >use them. Just let me know if that is what you want and I will send you >what >details I have got. >Namaste, > >Peter S > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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