Ashatvarg System

November 18, 2000

Dear list Members,

I came to know from some members, that they feel this system is

some what difficult. I do not think so. On the contrary, I think that

the Vedang Shatra is more simplified by this system. We do not have

to remember so many Yogas, given in the vedic astrology text. Mostly

all the Yogas given, are covered in this system. In text we find

thousands of results are given, It is difficult to remember all the

results. There are interrelationship of two or more planets,

Placement of the planets, with respect to each other, Yogas form by

two planets, ( dvidashak, triakadash, kendra , navpancham, shadastak,

samsaptam yoga, and their results are not tobe bothered, when we

follow this system. The Functional Karak planets for any event of the

life, also covered unknowingly. etc etc.

In this system, all these things are covered scientifically. The

strength of the house, Strength of the planets for giving the result

of any perticular house can be calculated very easily. The result for

all the 12 houses can be ascertain in any sub period on any planet.

We can easily know that the Sub of a perticular planet will give good

result for which houses, and bad result for which houses. Also we can

know the the date when such results are likly to be experenced. In my

opinion there is no any other system in astrology, which can give

such result with a reasonable accuracy.

There are very few laws which are to be followed. Those laws are

universal, and can be applied to all the charts. The effect of the

transit can be judged to very accurate level.

In vedic astrology, while applying the laws, we must consider the

all the yogas, and should find the result. It is also experienced

that two astrologers can not have same thought, for a chart,

regarding a perticular result. In this system, Results of any number

of astrologers will be same.

Very few special yogas, and planets degree and sign is required

to be considered. That too for the static results. Before

ascertaining the results of any house, we haveto find the capecity of

the person, his intelligence, his brilliency, his memory, his way of

thinking, his ethics, physical capecity of the person. Insight power

to fight against the diseases etc. Possibility of any specific

diseases. Education, Earning capecity, Will power, Daring, etc are

the important factors.

For the results similar to, mentioned above, we have to study

the position of the planets. For that we must know some special

results. For Example:

The Position of the planets in navamansha, Trishansha, and Dreshcona

in very important. Perticularly Ascendent, Sun and Moon must be

judged. If these planets are situated in the sector ruled by Saturn

the person can have extra ordinery sharpness of mind and can have

photographic memory. There are nine sectors ( Three for each ) if

only two are in the sector ruled by Saturn, the person is having

average brilliency. If the sector ruled by Jupiter, then the person

is a man of ethics. etc etc.

If we get the idea about the person we can find better result

for him. The difference of few seconds can effects this. So the birth

time should be accurate as for as possible. So before going to any

prediction we must correct the birth time, from some instances of the

life.

to be Continued......

krushna

November 18, 2000

Respected Krushna,

I have just read your last two letters regarding the difficulty or lack of

difficulty in learning astakavarka system. I tend to agree with you in that

I consider that astakavarga is more simple than traditional Vedic astrology.

Ilearned traditional astrology only for a short period ( about 1.5years) and

had jus about decided to give it up when I discovered SATVA. This simplistic

approach to Vedic made a strong impression on me and I learned more in a few

months than I had in 1.5years with traditional. Astakavarga came along at

this stage and I place this method in the same category as SATVA. In both it

is very easy to decide the malefics and benefics and good and bad houses,

both tend to almost ignore te thousands of Yogas given in traditional Vedic.

Both have their own rules which give thme a different slant on the chart.

Some months ago before you had to leave us for a short while I asked for a

more detailed description of how you narrowed down the active period of a

prediction. This was not because I hadn't at least a fair idea of the basics

but because Astakavarga, Satva, and traditional all treat these basics

differently and so I needed to know just what YOU meant when you said it was

just basic astrolgogy. For you the sight of a benefic is malefic for satva

and traditional the sigh would be benefic. For you and Satva most of the

Yogas are not used for traditional they are all used. It is these sorts of

thing I, and I assume some of the others, find different. Not neccessarily

difficult but different and something which must be learned.

Finally there is one thing which is very difficult for myself and any other

western astrologers - the use of Sanscrit terms. I have three different

lists of Sanscrit terms but in about 2 cases in every 5 the word I want to

know the meaning of, is in none of the lists. To complicate the matter I

believe there are several dialects. An example of this is in your last

letter you used the term Vedang Shatra, this term was in none of my lists,

the term Vedang Jyotish was given as Ancient Astronomy. Shatra was given in

none of my lists but as nakshatras is given as constellations I assume that

Vedang Shatra means something like Ancient Constellations but I am not sure

and it took me quite a while to work out even that. This is what the real

difficulty is in trying to learn any type of Vedic astrology and this is why

we also realise the difficulties which you ahev in trying to talk to us in a

" foreign language " .

Perhasp this will be of help in trying to pass on all tis excellent

knowledge which you possess and which we would lke to possess.

Yours respectfully,

Peter

November 19, 2000

Dear peter

I guess Vedang Shatra means Vedanga Shastra. Jyotish is one of the 6

Vedangas or limbs (eyes) of the Vedas.

Kind Regards

Cristian

> Respected Krushna,

> I have just read your last two letters regarding the difficulty or lack of

> difficulty in learning astakavarka system. I tend to agree with you in

that

> I consider that astakavarga is more simple than traditional Vedic

astrology.

> Ilearned traditional astrology only for a short period ( about 1.5years)

and

> had jus about decided to give it up when I discovered SATVA. This

simplistic

> approach to Vedic made a strong impression on me and I learned more in a

few

> months than I had in 1.5years with traditional. Astakavarga came along at

> this stage and I place this method in the same category as SATVA. In both

it

> is very easy to decide the malefics and benefics and good and bad houses,

> both tend to almost ignore te thousands of Yogas given in traditional

Vedic.

> Both have their own rules which give thme a different slant on the chart.

> Some months ago before you had to leave us for a short while I asked for a

> more detailed description of how you narrowed down the active period of a

> prediction. This was not because I hadn't at least a fair idea of the

basics

> but because Astakavarga, Satva, and traditional all treat these basics

> differently and so I needed to know just what YOU meant when you said it

was

> just basic astrolgogy. For you the sight of a benefic is malefic for satva

> and traditional the sigh would be benefic. For you and Satva most of the

> Yogas are not used for traditional they are all used. It is these sorts of

> thing I, and I assume some of the others, find different. Not neccessarily

> difficult but different and something which must be learned.

> Finally there is one thing which is very difficult for myself and any

other

> western astrologers - the use of Sanscrit terms. I have three different

> lists of Sanscrit terms but in about 2 cases in every 5 the word I want to

> know the meaning of, is in none of the lists. To complicate the matter I

> believe there are several dialects. An example of this is in your last

> letter you used the term Vedang Shatra, this term was in none of my lists,

> the term Vedang Jyotish was given as Ancient Astronomy. Shatra was given

in

> none of my lists but as nakshatras is given as constellations I assume

that

> Vedang Shatra means something like Ancient Constellations but I am not

sure

> and it took me quite a while to work out even that. This is what the real

> difficulty is in trying to learn any type of Vedic astrology and this is

why

> we also realise the difficulties which you ahev in trying to talk to us in

a

> " foreign language " .

> Perhasp this will be of help in trying to pass on all tis excellent

> knowledge which you possess and which we would lke to possess.

>

> Yours respectfully,

> Peter

>

November 19, 2000

Respected Peterji

Pranam,

Thank you very much for your comments, and comparative

statement.

I would like to state here one point, all the traditional

yogas are used, of course unknowingly, in Astakvarg. So it is not

neccesary to refer them seperately. Which are not covered in the

system, we refer them seperately. The inter relationship of the

planets is covered in AV. Some Specific positions of the planets in

any Sign or any constellation is not covered directly, so those are

to be refered seperately. The AV is the Main part of the Vedic or

traditional astrology. All old astrologers were using this system in

prepairing the chart. I my self having my chart, Size 200 mm width X

about 20 Meters length, in a Roll shape. In the this chart the AV is

used. This is some 56 years old. This was prepared by an old

Astrologer of age more then 75 years. Supposing he was using this

system from the age of say 20 years, means this system was in use

before 100 years. At that time the The books were in hand written

version, and only in sanskrit. The sacred science and other Vedas

were tought oraly. One have to remember it by heart. Those hand

written books may be the notes, taken by the students.

This is only the system in vedic astrology, for finding the

strength of the planets, for all the houses. Other is Shodasvarg,

which is used to find the individual strength of the Planet it self.

When we know the strength of the planet, which is based on the sign

and the degree, (so constellation), Then by appling Av we get the

actual strength of the planet for each and every house.

The strength of the planet, as per the Sign and the degree

is ranging from 40% to 140%. The Planets in Balyavastha, Yuvavsta or

Vridhyavasta, is decided as per degree. If we donot consider the

strength by degree, it donot make any effect on the timing event. In

80% cases we can get appreciable results. So to simplify the

calculations, it is avoided.

Actually for finding the timing event, there is no other

system, Even for finding the quontum of good or bad results, there

is no other system.

In olden age, This system was very time consuming, so have

been discarded. Now with the aid of Computers it is very easy to

use.

Regarding Sanscrit terms , Some times there is no correct

word, at least I dont know in English, which can pronounce the same

meaning. SHASTRA MEANS SCIENCE. It is is same thing Vedang Jyotish

Shastra ( Science). Oh sorry There was typo. It is Shastra. Now you

can find it. It means A commond, a precept,A sacred injuction,

Science, Knowedge, Theory. I used it for Science.

Discussion to be continued

krushna

, " Cristian Christensen "

<cristian1008@h...> wrote:

>

> Dear peter

> I guess Vedang Shatra means Vedanga Shastra. Jyotish is one of

the 6

> Vedangas or limbs (eyes) of the Vedas.

>

> Kind Regards

>

> Cristian

>

> > Respected Krushna,

> > I have just read your last two letters regarding the difficulty

or lack of

> > difficulty in learning astakavarka system. I tend to agree with

you in

> that

> > I consider that astakavarga is more simple than traditional Vedic

> astrology.

> > Ilearned traditional astrology only for a short period ( about

1.5years)

> and

> > had jus about decided to give it up when I discovered SATVA. This

> simplistic

> > approach to Vedic made a strong impression on me and I learned

more in a

> few

> > months than I had in 1.5years with traditional. Astakavarga came

along at

> > this stage and I place this method in the same category as SATVA.

In both

> it

> > is very easy to decide the malefics and benefics and good and bad

houses,

> > both tend to almost ignore te thousands of Yogas given in

traditional

> Vedic.

> > Both have their own rules which give thme a different slant on

the chart.

> > Some months ago before you had to leave us for a short while I

asked for a

> > more detailed description of how you narrowed down the active

period of a

> > prediction. This was not because I hadn't at least a fair idea of

the

> basics

> > but because Astakavarga, Satva, and traditional all treat these

basics

> > differently and so I needed to know just what YOU meant when you

said it

> was

> > just basic astrolgogy. For you the sight of a benefic is malefic

for satva

> > and traditional the sigh would be benefic. For you and Satva most

of the

> > Yogas are not used for traditional they are all used. It is these

sorts of

> > thing I, and I assume some of the others, find different. Not

neccessarily

> > difficult but different and something which must be learned.

> > Finally there is one thing which is very difficult for myself and

any

> other

> > western astrologers - the use of Sanscrit terms. I have three

different

> > lists of Sanscrit terms but in about 2 cases in every 5 the word

I want to

> > know the meaning of, is in none of the lists. To complicate the

matter I

> > believe there are several dialects. An example of this is in your

last

> > letter you used the term Vedang Shatra, this term was in none of

my lists,

> > the term Vedang Jyotish was given as Ancient Astronomy. Shatra

was given

> in

> > none of my lists but as nakshatras is given as constellations I

assume

> that

> > Vedang Shatra means something like Ancient Constellations but I

am not

> sure

> > and it took me quite a while to work out even that. This is what

the real

> > difficulty is in trying to learn any type of Vedic astrology and

this is

> why

> > we also realise the difficulties which you ahev in trying to talk

to us in

> a

> > " foreign language " .

> > Perhasp this will be of help in trying to pass on all tis

excellent

> > knowledge which you possess and which we would lke to possess.

> >

> > Yours respectfully,

> > Peter

> >

November 19, 2000

Cristian,

Yes but what does Shastra mean. That also is not in my list of Sanskrit

words.

And so we go on, and on, and on.

Peter

November 19, 2000

Respected Krushna,

Thank you Krushna. I did in fact assume that all the Yogas were used, what I

meant was that they are not used knowingly as Yogas. This is the same as

SATVA in which they say that if the situation described in a Yoga occurs

then assuming the planets concerned are appropriately Benefic (or Malefic)

then just the placement and interaction of the planets is all that is needed

to provide the effects described in the Yoga. In other words it is just a

normal interpretation of the planets.

Namaste,

Peter

November 21, 2000

Peter

According to " a sanskrit - english Dictionary " by Monniere Williams shastra

means any manual or compendium of rules, any book or treatise (esp) any

religious or scientific treatise, any sacret book or composition of divine

authority.

Vedanta Shascra means a work on the Vedanta philosophy or the whole body of

teaching on that subject.

This dictionary with english explanation may be good for you. Is costs RS

600 , 1334 pages at Indica Books e-mail: Indicabs

> Cristian,

> Yes but what does Shastra mean. That also is not in my list of Sanskrit

> words.

> And so we go on, and on, and on.

>

> Peter

>

November 22, 2000

Cristian,

Thank you for your help on that particular translation but this really is

only the tip of the iceberg. There are so many Sanscrit terms which have to

be translated and most of them seem to be not in my list of Sanscrit words.

When you add this to the fact that Krushna I believe speaks a dialect it

make it very hard. Thank you for the name of the Sanscrit dictionary but I

never buy anything directly from the net. I am afraid I'm old fashioned and

I don't really trust put a credit card number on the net. I will however

query a bookshop in Sydney which buys a lot of Indian books and boasts that

vit can get almost any book. You don't happen to know the publisher do you.

Having said the above I would like to say that I very much appreciate that

Krushna, Sach and others have the same problem as I do but the other way

round. I suppose that they have a small advantage in the fact that they have

already made the effort and learned English. I really do appreciate the

effort they must have put in in order to bring us their astakavarga system.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anywhere near here where I could

learn Sanscrit.

Namaste

Peter

November 22, 2000

Respected Peterji,

Pranam,

I will try to use, Engilsh words as for as possible, or give substitute

English word having nearest meaning.

If you are really interested to learn Sanskrit, I can give you a

address of a institute, which conducts Sanskrit postal cource. They are

having cources in English to Sanskrit.

krushna

> " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay

>

>Re: Ashatvarg System

>Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:09:13 +1000

>

>Cristian,

>Thank you for your help on that particular translation but this really is

>only the tip of the iceberg. There are so many Sanscrit terms which have to

>be translated and most of them seem to be not in my list of Sanscrit words.

>When you add this to the fact that Krushna I believe speaks a dialect it

>make it very hard. Thank you for the name of the Sanscrit dictionary but I

>never buy anything directly from the net. I am afraid I'm old fashioned and

>I don't really trust put a credit card number on the net. I will however

>query a bookshop in Sydney which buys a lot of Indian books and boasts that

>vit can get almost any book. You don't happen to know the publisher do you.

>Having said the above I would like to say that I very much appreciate that

>Krushna, Sach and others have the same problem as I do but the other way

>round. I suppose that they have a small advantage in the fact that they

>have

>already made the effort and learned English. I really do appreciate the

>effort they must have put in in order to bring us their astakavarga system.

>Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anywhere near here where I could

>learn Sanscrit.

>

>Namaste

>

>Peter

>

November 22, 2000

Dear Peter

I already gave you the e-amil of one of the publisher of the book - Indica

Books but here it is again indicabs Is cost RS 600

I do not pay with visa to India myself. You may send a draft instead. If you

are interested I can mail you Privatele the web adress where you can buy a

Sanskrit Tutor CD, and also some books which is good for learning sanskrit.

Best

Cristian

> Cristian,

> Thank you for your help on that particular translation but this really is

> only the tip of the iceberg. There are so many Sanscrit terms which have

to

> be translated and most of them seem to be not in my list of Sanscrit

words.

> When you add this to the fact that Krushna I believe speaks a dialect it

> make it very hard. Thank you for the name of the Sanscrit dictionary but I

> never buy anything directly from the net. I am afraid I'm old fashioned

and

> I don't really trust put a credit card number on the net. I will however

> query a bookshop in Sydney which buys a lot of Indian books and boasts

that

> vit can get almost any book. You don't happen to know the publisher do

you.

> Having said the above I would like to say that I very much appreciate that

> Krushna, Sach and others have the same problem as I do but the other way

> round. I suppose that they have a small advantage in the fact that they

have

> already made the effort and learned English. I really do appreciate the

> effort they must have put in in order to bring us their astakavarga

system.

> Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anywhere near here where I could

> learn Sanscrit.

>

> Namaste

>

> Peter

>

November 22, 2000

Respected Krushnaji,

The following part is extracted from your posting a few days ago.

" The Position of the planets in navamsha, Trishansha, and Dreshcona

in very important. Particularly Ascendant, Sun and Moon must be

judged. If these planets are situated in the sector ruled by Saturn

the person can have extra ordinary sharpness of mind and can have

photographic memory. There are nine sectors ( Three for each ) if

only two are in the sector ruled by Saturn, the person is having

average brilliancy. If the sector ruled by Jupiter, then the person

is a man of ethics. etc etc. "

Could you please elaborate on this? I know Navamsha and I suppose Trishansha

is the 30th division. Is Dreshcona the 14th division?

When you say that the Sun, Moon and Ascendant should be in the sectors ruled

by Saturn for a brilliant person, does this mean that they should be in

Saturn's sector in all 9 divisions? And when you say only 2 in the sector

ruled by Saturn do you mean that 2 out of 9 or 6 out of 9?

Kind regards

Sanjay

November 26, 2000

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I would also be very interested in that Christian.VH, Visti.- Cristian Christensen <cristian1008Wednesday, November 22, 2000 8:59 PMRe: Ashatvarg System> Dear Peter> > I already gave you the e-amil of one of the publisher of the book - Indica> Books but here it is again indicabs Is cost RS 600> I do not pay with visa to India myself. You may send a draft instead. If you> are interested I can mail you Privatele the web adress where you can buy a> Sanskrit Tutor CD, and also some books which is good for learning sanskrit.> > Best> > Cristian> > > > > > > > Cristian,> > Thank you for your help on that particular translation but this really is> > only the tip of the iceberg. There are so many Sanscrit terms which have> to> > be translated and most of them seem to be not in my list of Sanscrit> words.> > When you add this to the fact that Krushna I believe speaks a dialect it> > make it very hard. Thank you for the name of the Sanscrit dictionary but I> > never buy anything directly from the net. I am afraid I'm old fashioned> and> > I don't really trust put a credit card number on the net. I will however> > query a bookshop in Sydney which buys a lot of Indian books and boasts> that> > vit can get almost any book. You don't happen to know the publisher do> you.> > Having said the above I would like to say that I very much appreciate that> > Krushna, Sach and others have the same problem as I do but the other way> > round. I suppose that they have a small advantage in the fact that they> have> > already made the effort and learned English. I really do appreciate the> > effort they must have put in in order to bring us their astakavarga> system.> > Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anywhere near here where I could> > learn Sanscrit.> >> > Namaste> >> > Peter> >> >> >> >

November 29, 2000

Respected Krushnaji,

I hope you can clarify this also.

Kind regards

Sanjay

-

" Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg

Thursday, November 23, 2000 2:37 PM

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