Guest guest Posted December 4, 2000 Report Share Posted December 4, 2000 Dear Sanjay, Regarding Natural Samdharmi, i.e. Saturn and Venus. Both makes 4:10 relations. Venus lord of Libra and Saturn of Capricorn, here Venus is 10th lord, and Saturn fourth. Now for Aquarius and Taurus, in this case Venus is fourth lord. So they became mutual samdharmi. For Mars, Moon can be natural samdharmi to Mars, but for Moon, Mars is not samdharmi, Sun is samdharmi for Mars. For Mercury and Jupiter, they can not be natural Samdharmi. They can be functional samdharmi. In case if Sun is situated in 10th place from Mars and have less 4 points then Sun becomes functional Samdharmi, in such case they became mutual samdharmi. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > " krushna Jugal Kalani " <krushanain >CC: >Fw: Re: samdharmi >Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:11:20 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >I would appreciate your reply. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > >Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:53 PM >Re: Re: samdharmi > > >Respected Krushnaji, > >It is clear from your message that planets in the 4th-10th relationship are >not mutual samdharmis. Only the planet in the 4th house, if it has more >than >4 points, can give the result for the planet in the tenth house if the >planet in the 10th house has less than 4 points. > >Why then do we take natural 4th -10th lords as mutual samdharmis? Is there >some rule for determining which planets have a strong samdharmi >relationship >and which ones weak? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna " <krushanain > >Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:00 PM > Re: samdharmi > > >Dear Sanjay, > > >-- In , " Sanjay Jaggia " ><sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > One small point. Planet A in the 4th from planet B becomes >samdharmi to B.SUBJECT TO CONDITION IF PLANET 'B' IS LESS THEN 4 >POINTS. IN THAT CASE 'A' WORKS AS SUBORDINATE TO 'B'. SO IT CAN WORK >FOR 'B' IN ITS ABSENT. ( MEANS IF SUB OF A COMES EARLIER THEN IT CAN >DO THE JOB OF B, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS.(17TH ROW) >HERE WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM AS SAMDHARMI. HERE A ACT AS SUBORDINATE >TO B. BUT B IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO A. > > Does the reverse also happen? Does B also become samdharmi to A. In >chart > > interpretation, it would mean that A can give the result for B but >B can't > > give the result for B if these are not mutual samdharmis. This case >would be > > distinct from, say, planets in the same sign or constellation where >they > > would become mutual samdahrmis and can give the result for each >other. WRONG . > > > > Kind regards > > Sanjay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2000 Report Share Posted December 4, 2000 Respected Krushnaji, This is getting more clear. However, I am puzzled by the fact that Mercury and Jupiter cannot be natural samdharmis. Why is it so? they have a 4:10 and 10:4 lordship so these should be mutual samdharmis. Your clarification would be very illuminative. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Monday, December 04, 2000 8:00 PM Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi Dear Sanjay, Regarding Natural Samdharmi, i.e. Saturn and Venus. Both makes 4:10 relations. Venus lord of Libra and Saturn of Capricorn, here Venus is 10th lord, and Saturn fourth. Now for Aquarius and Taurus, in this case Venus is fourth lord. So they became mutual samdharmi. For Mars, Moon can be natural samdharmi to Mars, but for Moon, Mars is not samdharmi, Sun is samdharmi for Mars. For Mercury and Jupiter, they can not be natural Samdharmi. They can be functional samdharmi. In case if Sun is situated in 10th place from Mars and have less 4 points then Sun becomes functional Samdharmi, in such case they became mutual samdharmi. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > " krushna Jugal Kalani " <krushanain >CC: >Fw: Re: samdharmi >Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:11:20 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >I would appreciate your reply. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > >Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:53 PM >Re: Re: samdharmi > > >Respected Krushnaji, > >It is clear from your message that planets in the 4th-10th relationship are >not mutual samdharmis. Only the planet in the 4th house, if it has more >than >4 points, can give the result for the planet in the tenth house if the >planet in the 10th house has less than 4 points. > >Why then do we take natural 4th -10th lords as mutual samdharmis? Is there >some rule for determining which planets have a strong samdharmi >relationship >and which ones weak? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna " <krushanain > >Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:00 PM > Re: samdharmi > > >Dear Sanjay, > > >-- In , " Sanjay Jaggia " ><sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > One small point. Planet A in the 4th from planet B becomes >samdharmi to B.SUBJECT TO CONDITION IF PLANET 'B' IS LESS THEN 4 >POINTS. IN THAT CASE 'A' WORKS AS SUBORDINATE TO 'B'. SO IT CAN WORK >FOR 'B' IN ITS ABSENT. ( MEANS IF SUB OF A COMES EARLIER THEN IT CAN >DO THE JOB OF B, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS.(17TH ROW) >HERE WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM AS SAMDHARMI. HERE A ACT AS SUBORDINATE >TO B. BUT B IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO A. > > Does the reverse also happen? Does B also become samdharmi to A. In >chart > > interpretation, it would mean that A can give the result for B but >B can't > > give the result for B if these are not mutual samdharmis. This case >would be > > distinct from, say, planets in the same sign or constellation where >they > > would become mutual samdahrmis and can give the result for each >other. WRONG . > > > > Kind regards > > Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2000 Report Share Posted December 4, 2000 Respected Krushnaji, Could you also please advise if there is some way of judging how strong the samdharmi relationship is. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Monday, December 04, 2000 8:00 PM Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi Dear Sanjay, Regarding Natural Samdharmi, i.e. Saturn and Venus. Both makes 4:10 relations. Venus lord of Libra and Saturn of Capricorn, here Venus is 10th lord, and Saturn fourth. Now for Aquarius and Taurus, in this case Venus is fourth lord. So they became mutual samdharmi. For Mars, Moon can be natural samdharmi to Mars, but for Moon, Mars is not samdharmi, Sun is samdharmi for Mars. For Mercury and Jupiter, they can not be natural Samdharmi. They can be functional samdharmi. In case if Sun is situated in 10th place from Mars and have less 4 points then Sun becomes functional Samdharmi, in such case they became mutual samdharmi. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > " krushna Jugal Kalani " <krushanain >CC: >Fw: Re: samdharmi >Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:11:20 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >I would appreciate your reply. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > >Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:53 PM >Re: Re: samdharmi > > >Respected Krushnaji, > >It is clear from your message that planets in the 4th-10th relationship are >not mutual samdharmis. Only the planet in the 4th house, if it has more >than >4 points, can give the result for the planet in the tenth house if the >planet in the 10th house has less than 4 points. > >Why then do we take natural 4th -10th lords as mutual samdharmis? Is there >some rule for determining which planets have a strong samdharmi >relationship >and which ones weak? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna " <krushanain > >Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:00 PM > Re: samdharmi > > >Dear Sanjay, > > >-- In , " Sanjay Jaggia " ><sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > One small point. Planet A in the 4th from planet B becomes >samdharmi to B.SUBJECT TO CONDITION IF PLANET 'B' IS LESS THEN 4 >POINTS. IN THAT CASE 'A' WORKS AS SUBORDINATE TO 'B'. SO IT CAN WORK >FOR 'B' IN ITS ABSENT. ( MEANS IF SUB OF A COMES EARLIER THEN IT CAN >DO THE JOB OF B, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS.(17TH ROW) >HERE WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM AS SAMDHARMI. HERE A ACT AS SUBORDINATE >TO B. BUT B IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO A. > > Does the reverse also happen? Does B also become samdharmi to A. In >chart > > interpretation, it would mean that A can give the result for B but >B can't > > give the result for B if these are not mutual samdharmis. This case >would be > > distinct from, say, planets in the same sign or constellation where >they > > would become mutual samdahrmis and can give the result for each >other. WRONG . > > > > Kind regards > > Sanjay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2000 Report Share Posted December 5, 2000 Dear Sanjay, Regarding Mercury and Jupiter, along with 4:10 relationship they also have 1:7 relation ship, which is said to be of enmity. So they can not became Natural Samdharmi. They can be functional Samdharmi. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi >Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:20:16 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >This is getting more clear. However, I am puzzled by the fact that Mercury >and Jupiter cannot be natural samdharmis. Why is it so? they have a 4:10 >and >10:4 lordship so these should be mutual samdharmis. Your clarification >would >be very illuminative. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Monday, December 04, 2000 8:00 PM >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > > >Dear Sanjay, >Regarding Natural Samdharmi, i.e. Saturn and Venus. Both makes 4:10 >relations. Venus lord of Libra and Saturn of Capricorn, here Venus is 10th >lord, and Saturn fourth. Now for Aquarius and Taurus, in this case Venus is >fourth lord. So they became mutual samdharmi. >For Mars, Moon can be natural samdharmi to Mars, but for Moon, Mars is not >samdharmi, Sun is samdharmi for Mars. >For Mercury and Jupiter, they can not be natural Samdharmi. They can be >functional samdharmi. > In case if Sun is situated in 10th place from Mars and have less 4 >points then Sun becomes functional Samdharmi, in such case they became >mutual samdharmi. >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > " krushna Jugal Kalani " <krushanain > >CC: > >Fw: Re: samdharmi > >Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:11:20 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >I would appreciate your reply. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > >Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:53 PM > >Re: Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >It is clear from your message that planets in the 4th-10th relationship >are > >not mutual samdharmis. Only the planet in the 4th house, if it has more > >than > >4 points, can give the result for the planet in the tenth house if the > >planet in the 10th house has less than 4 points. > > > >Why then do we take natural 4th -10th lords as mutual samdharmis? Is >there > >some rule for determining which planets have a strong samdharmi > >relationship > >and which ones weak? > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " krushna " <krushanain > > > >Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:00 PM > > Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > > > > > >-- In , " Sanjay Jaggia " > ><sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > > One small point. Planet A in the 4th from planet B becomes > >samdharmi to B.SUBJECT TO CONDITION IF PLANET 'B' IS LESS THEN 4 > >POINTS. IN THAT CASE 'A' WORKS AS SUBORDINATE TO 'B'. SO IT CAN WORK > >FOR 'B' IN ITS ABSENT. ( MEANS IF SUB OF A COMES EARLIER THEN IT CAN > >DO THE JOB OF B, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS.(17TH ROW) > >HERE WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM AS SAMDHARMI. HERE A ACT AS SUBORDINATE > >TO B. BUT B IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO A. > > > Does the reverse also happen? Does B also become samdharmi to A. In > >chart > > > interpretation, it would mean that A can give the result for B but > >B can't > > > give the result for B if these are not mutual samdharmis. This case > >would be > > > distinct from, say, planets in the same sign or constellation where > >they > > > would become mutual samdahrmis and can give the result for each > >other. WRONG . > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Sanjay > > ______________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2000 Report Share Posted December 5, 2000 Dear Sanjay, Regarding strength of the 'Samdharmiship' (dont laugh) 1.When both the planets are having good strength in row 17 of the work sheet. 2.When the planets are said to be samdharmi, for the reason they are in one sign or one constellation, then nearness is the criteria. If two planets are at extreme ends ( one at starting point and other at end) then they are weak. 3. If any planets is having any relation with the 12th lord from house 'B' then it will deny to be samdharmi. 4. If any planet gets points due to the 12th lord from 'B', then the strength should be considered delating the points gained by 12th lord. This means points gained due to benefic sight of 12th lord ( from 'B'). (here I called the 12th lord means the lord of 12th house from house 'B') 5. If the planets looses its power due to sign or constellation it is situated (for example: Venus in Krittika, ardra, Jestha and Mul) etc etc krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi >Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:21:26 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Could you also please advise if there is some way of judging how strong the >samdharmi relationship is. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Monday, December 04, 2000 8:00 PM >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > > >Dear Sanjay, >Regarding Natural Samdharmi, i.e. Saturn and Venus. Both makes 4:10 >relations. Venus lord of Libra and Saturn of Capricorn, here Venus is 10th >lord, and Saturn fourth. Now for Aquarius and Taurus, in this case Venus is >fourth lord. So they became mutual samdharmi. >For Mars, Moon can be natural samdharmi to Mars, but for Moon, Mars is not >samdharmi, Sun is samdharmi for Mars. >For Mercury and Jupiter, they can not be natural Samdharmi. They can be >functional samdharmi. > In case if Sun is situated in 10th place from Mars and have less 4 >points then Sun becomes functional Samdharmi, in such case they became >mutual samdharmi. >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > " krushna Jugal Kalani " <krushanain > >CC: > >Fw: Re: samdharmi > >Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:11:20 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >I would appreciate your reply. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > >Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:53 PM > >Re: Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >It is clear from your message that planets in the 4th-10th relationship >are > >not mutual samdharmis. Only the planet in the 4th house, if it has more > >than > >4 points, can give the result for the planet in the tenth house if the > >planet in the 10th house has less than 4 points. > > > >Why then do we take natural 4th -10th lords as mutual samdharmis? Is >there > >some rule for determining which planets have a strong samdharmi > >relationship > >and which ones weak? > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " krushna " <krushanain > > > >Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:00 PM > > Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > > > > > >-- In , " Sanjay Jaggia " > ><sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > > One small point. Planet A in the 4th from planet B becomes > >samdharmi to B.SUBJECT TO CONDITION IF PLANET 'B' IS LESS THEN 4 > >POINTS. IN THAT CASE 'A' WORKS AS SUBORDINATE TO 'B'. SO IT CAN WORK > >FOR 'B' IN ITS ABSENT. ( MEANS IF SUB OF A COMES EARLIER THEN IT CAN > >DO THE JOB OF B, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS.(17TH ROW) > >HERE WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM AS SAMDHARMI. HERE A ACT AS SUBORDINATE > >TO B. BUT B IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO A. > > > Does the reverse also happen? Does B also become samdharmi to A. In > >chart > > > interpretation, it would mean that A can give the result for B but > >B can't > > > give the result for B if these are not mutual samdharmis. This case > >would be > > > distinct from, say, planets in the same sign or constellation where > >they > > > would become mutual samdahrmis and can give the result for each > >other. WRONG . > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2000 Report Share Posted December 5, 2000 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you. I had not looked at this aspect. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:02 AM Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi Dear Sanjay, Regarding Mercury and Jupiter, along with 4:10 relationship they also have 1:7 relation ship, which is said to be of enmity. So they can not became Natural Samdharmi. They can be functional Samdharmi. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi >Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:20:16 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >This is getting more clear. However, I am puzzled by the fact that Mercury >and Jupiter cannot be natural samdharmis. Why is it so? they have a 4:10 >and >10:4 lordship so these should be mutual samdharmis. Your clarification >would >be very illuminative. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Monday, December 04, 2000 8:00 PM >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > > >Dear Sanjay, >Regarding Natural Samdharmi, i.e. Saturn and Venus. Both makes 4:10 >relations. Venus lord of Libra and Saturn of Capricorn, here Venus is 10th >lord, and Saturn fourth. Now for Aquarius and Taurus, in this case Venus is >fourth lord. So they became mutual samdharmi. >For Mars, Moon can be natural samdharmi to Mars, but for Moon, Mars is not >samdharmi, Sun is samdharmi for Mars. >For Mercury and Jupiter, they can not be natural Samdharmi. They can be >functional samdharmi. > In case if Sun is situated in 10th place from Mars and have less 4 >points then Sun becomes functional Samdharmi, in such case they became >mutual samdharmi. >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > " krushna Jugal Kalani " <krushanain > >CC: > >Fw: Re: samdharmi > >Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:11:20 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >I would appreciate your reply. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > >Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:53 PM > >Re: Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >It is clear from your message that planets in the 4th-10th relationship >are > >not mutual samdharmis. Only the planet in the 4th house, if it has more > >than > >4 points, can give the result for the planet in the tenth house if the > >planet in the 10th house has less than 4 points. > > > >Why then do we take natural 4th -10th lords as mutual samdharmis? Is >there > >some rule for determining which planets have a strong samdharmi > >relationship > >and which ones weak? > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " krushna " <krushanain > > > >Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:00 PM > > Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > > > > > >-- In , " Sanjay Jaggia " > ><sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > > One small point. Planet A in the 4th from planet B becomes > >samdharmi to B.SUBJECT TO CONDITION IF PLANET 'B' IS LESS THEN 4 > >POINTS. IN THAT CASE 'A' WORKS AS SUBORDINATE TO 'B'. SO IT CAN WORK > >FOR 'B' IN ITS ABSENT. ( MEANS IF SUB OF A COMES EARLIER THEN IT CAN > >DO THE JOB OF B, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS.(17TH ROW) > >HERE WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM AS SAMDHARMI. HERE A ACT AS SUBORDINATE > >TO B. BUT B IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO A. > > > Does the reverse also happen? Does B also become samdharmi to A. In > >chart > > > interpretation, it would mean that A can give the result for B but > >B can't > > > give the result for B if these are not mutual samdharmis. This case > >would be > > > distinct from, say, planets in the same sign or constellation where > >they > > > would become mutual samdahrmis and can give the result for each > >other. WRONG . > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Sanjay > > __________________________ _________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2000 Report Share Posted December 5, 2000 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you. I understand the points that you mention except one. How would you define the relationship of the planet with 12th lord from B? Would it be - If the planet is in the same sign or constellation as 12th lord from B? - If the planet is aspected by the 12th lord? - It is in the navamsha of the 12th lord? - Or is it something else? Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:21 AM Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi Dear Sanjay, Regarding strength of the 'Samdharmiship' (dont laugh) 1.When both the planets are having good strength in row 17 of the work sheet. 2.When the planets are said to be samdharmi, for the reason they are in one sign or one constellation, then nearness is the criteria. If two planets are at extreme ends ( one at starting point and other at end) then they are weak. 3. If any planets is having any relation with the 12th lord from house 'B' then it will deny to be samdharmi. 4. If any planet gets points due to the 12th lord from 'B', then the strength should be considered delating the points gained by 12th lord. This means points gained due to benefic sight of 12th lord ( from 'B'). (here I called the 12th lord means the lord of 12th house from house 'B') 5. If the planets looses its power due to sign or constellation it is situated (for example: Venus in Krittika, ardra, Jestha and Mul) etc etc krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi >Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:21:26 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Could you also please advise if there is some way of judging how strong the >samdharmi relationship is. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Monday, December 04, 2000 8:00 PM >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > > >Dear Sanjay, >Regarding Natural Samdharmi, i.e. Saturn and Venus. Both makes 4:10 >relations. Venus lord of Libra and Saturn of Capricorn, here Venus is 10th >lord, and Saturn fourth. Now for Aquarius and Taurus, in this case Venus is >fourth lord. So they became mutual samdharmi. >For Mars, Moon can be natural samdharmi to Mars, but for Moon, Mars is not >samdharmi, Sun is samdharmi for Mars. >For Mercury and Jupiter, they can not be natural Samdharmi. They can be >functional samdharmi. > In case if Sun is situated in 10th place from Mars and have less 4 >points then Sun becomes functional Samdharmi, in such case they became >mutual samdharmi. >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > " krushna Jugal Kalani " <krushanain > >CC: > >Fw: Re: samdharmi > >Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:11:20 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >I would appreciate your reply. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > >Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:53 PM > >Re: Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >It is clear from your message that planets in the 4th-10th relationship >are > >not mutual samdharmis. Only the planet in the 4th house, if it has more > >than > >4 points, can give the result for the planet in the tenth house if the > >planet in the 10th house has less than 4 points. > > > >Why then do we take natural 4th -10th lords as mutual samdharmis? Is >there > >some rule for determining which planets have a strong samdharmi > >relationship > >and which ones weak? > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " krushna " <krushanain > > > >Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:00 PM > > Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > > > > > >-- In , " Sanjay Jaggia " > ><sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > > One small point. Planet A in the 4th from planet B becomes > >samdharmi to B.SUBJECT TO CONDITION IF PLANET 'B' IS LESS THEN 4 > >POINTS. IN THAT CASE 'A' WORKS AS SUBORDINATE TO 'B'. SO IT CAN WORK > >FOR 'B' IN ITS ABSENT. ( MEANS IF SUB OF A COMES EARLIER THEN IT CAN > >DO THE JOB OF B, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS.(17TH ROW) > >HERE WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM AS SAMDHARMI. HERE A ACT AS SUBORDINATE > >TO B. BUT B IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO A. > > > Does the reverse also happen? Does B also become samdharmi to A. In > >chart > > > interpretation, it would mean that A can give the result for B but > >B can't > > > give the result for B if these are not mutual samdharmis. This case > >would be > > > distinct from, say, planets in the same sign or constellation where > >they > > > would become mutual samdahrmis and can give the result for each > >other. WRONG . > > > > > > Kind regards > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2000 Report Share Posted December 5, 2000 Dear Sanjay, Answer is as follows > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi >Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:16:32 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you. I understand the points that you mention except one. How would >you define the relationship of the planet with 12th lord from B? Would it >be > >- If the planet is in the same sign or constellation as 12th lord from B? >Yes PERTICULARLY IN THE SAME HOUSE >- If the planet is aspected by the 12th lord? WITH BENEFIC SIGHT, MEANS 12 >TH LORD WITH LESS POINTS. mAX EFFECT. eFFECT FOR SIGHT IS THERE. MAY BE >MALEFIC OR BENEFIC. bENEFIC SIGHT SPOILS MORE. >- It is in the navamsha of the 12th lord? yES IT SHOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED. >- Or is it something else? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:21 AM >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > > >Dear Sanjay, >Regarding strength of the 'Samdharmiship' (dont laugh) >1.When both the planets are having good strength in row 17 of the work >sheet. >2.When the planets are said to be samdharmi, for the reason they are in one >sign or one constellation, then nearness is the criteria. If two planets >are >at extreme ends ( one at starting point and other at end) then they are >weak. >3. If any planets is having any relation with the 12th lord from house 'B' >then it will deny to be samdharmi. >4. If any planet gets points due to the 12th lord from 'B', then the >strength should be considered delating the points gained by 12th lord. This >means points gained due to benefic sight of 12th lord ( from 'B'). (here I >called the 12th lord means the lord of 12th house from house 'B') >5. If the planets looses its power due to sign or constellation it is >situated (for example: Venus in Krittika, ardra, Jestha and Mul) >etc etc >krushna > > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > >Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:21:26 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >Could you also please advise if there is some way of judging how strong >the > >samdharmi relationship is. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > > > >Monday, December 04, 2000 8:00 PM > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > >Regarding Natural Samdharmi, i.e. Saturn and Venus. Both makes 4:10 > >relations. Venus lord of Libra and Saturn of Capricorn, here Venus is >10th > >lord, and Saturn fourth. Now for Aquarius and Taurus, in this case Venus >is > >fourth lord. So they became mutual samdharmi. > >For Mars, Moon can be natural samdharmi to Mars, but for Moon, Mars is >not > >samdharmi, Sun is samdharmi for Mars. > >For Mercury and Jupiter, they can not be natural Samdharmi. They can be > >functional samdharmi. > > In case if Sun is situated in 10th place from Mars and have less >4 > >points then Sun becomes functional Samdharmi, in such case they became > >mutual samdharmi. > >krushna > > > > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > > " krushna Jugal Kalani " <krushanain > > >CC: > > >Fw: Re: samdharmi > > >Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:11:20 +0700 > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > >I would appreciate your reply. > > > > > >Kind regards > > >Sanjay > > > > > >- > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:53 PM > > >Re: Re: samdharmi > > > > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > >It is clear from your message that planets in the 4th-10th relationship > >are > > >not mutual samdharmis. Only the planet in the 4th house, if it has more > > >than > > >4 points, can give the result for the planet in the tenth house if the > > >planet in the 10th house has less than 4 points. > > > > > >Why then do we take natural 4th -10th lords as mutual samdharmis? Is > >there > > >some rule for determining which planets have a strong samdharmi > > >relationship > > >and which ones weak? > > > > > >Kind regards > > >Sanjay > > > > > >- > > > " krushna " <krushanain > > > > > >Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:00 PM > > > Re: samdharmi > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > > > >-- In , " Sanjay Jaggia " > > ><sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > > > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > > > > One small point. Planet A in the 4th from planet B becomes > > >samdharmi to B.SUBJECT TO CONDITION IF PLANET 'B' IS LESS THEN 4 > > >POINTS. IN THAT CASE 'A' WORKS AS SUBORDINATE TO 'B'. SO IT CAN WORK > > >FOR 'B' IN ITS ABSENT. ( MEANS IF SUB OF A COMES EARLIER THEN IT CAN > > >DO THE JOB OF B, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS.(17TH ROW) > > >HERE WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM AS SAMDHARMI. HERE A ACT AS SUBORDINATE > > >TO B. BUT B IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO A. > > > > Does the reverse also happen? Does B also become samdharmi to A. In > > >chart > > > > interpretation, it would mean that A can give the result for B but > > >B can't > > > > give the result for B if these are not mutual samdharmis. This case > > >would be > > > > distinct from, say, planets in the same sign or constellation where > > >they > > > > would become mutual samdahrmis and can give the result for each > > >other. WRONG . > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2000 Report Share Posted December 5, 2000 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for your prompt reply. It is very clear now. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:02 PM Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi Dear Sanjay, Answer is as follows > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi >Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:16:32 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you. I understand the points that you mention except one. How would >you define the relationship of the planet with 12th lord from B? Would it >be > >- If the planet is in the same sign or constellation as 12th lord from B? >Yes PERTICULARLY IN THE SAME HOUSE >- If the planet is aspected by the 12th lord? WITH BENEFIC SIGHT, MEANS 12 >TH LORD WITH LESS POINTS. mAX EFFECT. eFFECT FOR SIGHT IS THERE. MAY BE >MALEFIC OR BENEFIC. bENEFIC SIGHT SPOILS MORE. >- It is in the navamsha of the 12th lord? yES IT SHOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED. >- Or is it something else? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:21 AM >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > > >Dear Sanjay, >Regarding strength of the 'Samdharmiship' (dont laugh) >1.When both the planets are having good strength in row 17 of the work >sheet. >2.When the planets are said to be samdharmi, for the reason they are in one >sign or one constellation, then nearness is the criteria. If two planets >are >at extreme ends ( one at starting point and other at end) then they are >weak. >3. If any planets is having any relation with the 12th lord from house 'B' >then it will deny to be samdharmi. >4. If any planet gets points due to the 12th lord from 'B', then the >strength should be considered delating the points gained by 12th lord. This >means points gained due to benefic sight of 12th lord ( from 'B'). (here I >called the 12th lord means the lord of 12th house from house 'B') >5. If the planets looses its power due to sign or constellation it is >situated (for example: Venus in Krittika, ardra, Jestha and Mul) >etc etc >krushna > > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > >Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:21:26 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >Could you also please advise if there is some way of judging how strong >the > >samdharmi relationship is. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > > > >Monday, December 04, 2000 8:00 PM > >Re: Fw: Re: samdharmi > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > >Regarding Natural Samdharmi, i.e. Saturn and Venus. Both makes 4:10 > >relations. Venus lord of Libra and Saturn of Capricorn, here Venus is >10th > >lord, and Saturn fourth. Now for Aquarius and Taurus, in this case Venus >is > >fourth lord. So they became mutual samdharmi. > >For Mars, Moon can be natural samdharmi to Mars, but for Moon, Mars is >not > >samdharmi, Sun is samdharmi for Mars. > >For Mercury and Jupiter, they can not be natural Samdharmi. They can be > >functional samdharmi. > > In case if Sun is situated in 10th place from Mars and have less >4 > >points then Sun becomes functional Samdharmi, in such case they became > >mutual samdharmi. > >krushna > > > > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > > " krushna Jugal Kalani " <krushanain > > >CC: > > >Fw: Re: samdharmi > > >Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:11:20 +0700 > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > >I would appreciate your reply. > > > > > >Kind regards > > >Sanjay > > > > > >- > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Wednesday, November 29, 2000 2:53 PM > > >Re: Re: samdharmi > > > > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > >It is clear from your message that planets in the 4th-10th relationship > >are > > >not mutual samdharmis. Only the planet in the 4th house, if it has more > > >than > > >4 points, can give the result for the planet in the tenth house if the > > >planet in the 10th house has less than 4 points. > > > > > >Why then do we take natural 4th -10th lords as mutual samdharmis? Is > >there > > >some rule for determining which planets have a strong samdharmi > > >relationship > > >and which ones weak? > > > > > >Kind regards > > >Sanjay > > > > > >- > > > " krushna " <krushanain > > > > > >Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:00 PM > > > Re: samdharmi > > > > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > > > > > > > > >-- In , " Sanjay Jaggia " > > ><sanjaygg@l...> wrote: > > > > Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > > > > One small point. Planet A in the 4th from planet B becomes > > >samdharmi to B.SUBJECT TO CONDITION IF PLANET 'B' IS LESS THEN 4 > > >POINTS. IN THAT CASE 'A' WORKS AS SUBORDINATE TO 'B'. SO IT CAN WORK > > >FOR 'B' IN ITS ABSENT. ( MEANS IF SUB OF A COMES EARLIER THEN IT CAN > > >DO THE JOB OF B, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE MORE THEN 12 POINTS.(17TH ROW) > > >HERE WE SHOULD NOT USE THEM AS SAMDHARMI. HERE A ACT AS SUBORDINATE > > >TO B. BUT B IS NOT SUBORDINATE TO A. > > > > Does the reverse also happen? Does B also become samdharmi to A. In > > >chart > > > > interpretation, it would mean that A can give the result for B but > > >B can't > > > > give the result for B if these are not mutual samdharmis. This case > > >would be > > > > distinct from, say, planets in the same sign or constellation where > > >they > > > > would become mutual samdahrmis and can give the result for each > > >other. WRONG . > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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