Guest guest Posted December 9, 2000 Report Share Posted December 9, 2000 Dear List Member, Now I think every body came to know, whose nativity chart is in discussion. Yes He is Mr Ron Gaunt. He have given some rectifications about events. On 20th July 1990 he had been to Hongkong instead of Greece, and one more event he added that is he had been to Greece and Egypt from 10th April 1988 to 15th May 1988 ( he typed 1998). This do not effect any more. Any how, We consider the planet in fourth place, as Samdharmi to the planet in the tenth house. In this case the Jupiter is in the tenth place from Saturn. It is also with less then 4 points as required. The Saturn is with only one point. We consider the planet in fourth place to be subordinate to the planet in tenth house. If the planet in fourth place is with less then 4 points, then it some times opposes for the functional karkatwa of the planet in 10th house. Here is the example for the same. Jupiter is functional karak for tenth house, means for authority, increament, etc. This saturn being in the fourth house and with less points, can oppose the karakatva of Jupiter in it's sub. That is Experienced in Saturn main, Saturn Sub. i.e. Aug 63 to Aug 66. He had dispute with his cammonding officer and left the Army. Mr Sanjay this is for you, an example, you asked about this ________________ krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2000 Report Share Posted December 10, 2000 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for the example. I have a question. Saturn has more than 12 points in the 10th house worksheet. It is also the lord of D. How can it give adverse results just because it is in 4th from Jupiter with less points. Kind regards Sanjay Jaggia - " krushna " <krushanain Sunday, December 10, 2000 1:01 PM Complete Study of the chart cont 4 Dear List Member, Now I think every body came to know, whose nativity chart is in discussion. Yes He is Mr Ron Gaunt. He have given some rectifications about events. On 20th July 1990 he had been to Hongkong instead of Greece, and one more event he added that is he had been to Greece and Egypt from 10th April 1988 to 15th May 1988 ( he typed 1998). This do not effect any more. Any how, We consider the planet in fourth place, as Samdharmi to the planet in the tenth house. In this case the Jupiter is in the tenth place from Saturn. It is also with less then 4 points as required. The Saturn is with only one point. We consider the planet in fourth place to be subordinate to the planet in tenth house. If the planet in fourth place is with less then 4 points, then it some times opposes for the functional karkatwa of the planet in 10th house. Here is the example for the same. Jupiter is functional karak for tenth house, means for authority, increament, etc. This saturn being in the fourth house and with less points, can oppose the karakatva of Jupiter in it's sub. That is Experienced in Saturn main, Saturn Sub. i.e. Aug 63 to Aug 66. He had dispute with his cammonding officer and left the Army. Mr Sanjay this is for you, an example, you asked about this ________________ krushna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2000 Report Share Posted December 11, 2000 Dear Sanjay, Answer for this question is given by me. Any how, Now the functional Karak planet for tenth house is Jupiter, Natural Karak is Sun. With Sun it is 6:8 situation. The main reason is, when The Planet in the fourth house is less then 4 points and have less points then the planet in tenth house, Shows such results. Here it is also lord of house D so these results proves good in long term, but at that time those seems to be bad. Suppose if Saturn would not be the lord of house D then the result would have bad only. Such planets in fourth house with less points take chance to oppose the planets in tenth house for the house it it is karak. Here again Boss and the subordinate. The subordinate is culprit,( because it is having less points then 4 and also less then the planet in 10 place ) Boss is more sober then the subordinate,( it is having more points then the planet in the fourth place) The such person takes chance to oppose his boss as and when he gets chance. He dont have respect for the boss, but have jealousy, with his boss, so when he gets some chance to oppose the boss he takes. We do not consider the planet in house D or E with less points. But in this case Saturn is the lord of 4th place. So the result given by the Saturn have been rectified by Jupiter. Thanks krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Complete Study of the chart cont 4 >Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:20:11 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you for the example. I have a question. Saturn has more than 12 >points >in the 10th house worksheet. It is also the lord of D. How can it give >adverse results just because it is in 4th from Jupiter with less points. > >Kind regards >Sanjay Jaggia > >- > " krushna " <krushanain > >Sunday, December 10, 2000 1:01 PM > Complete Study of the chart cont 4 > > >Dear List Member, > Now I think every body came to know, whose nativity chart is in >discussion. Yes He is Mr Ron Gaunt. He have given some rectifications >about events. On 20th July 1990 he had been to Hongkong instead of >Greece, and one more event he added that is he had been to Greece and >Egypt from 10th April 1988 to 15th May 1988 ( he typed 1998). This do >not effect any more. > > Any how, We consider the planet in fourth place, as Samdharmi >to the planet in the tenth house. In this case the Jupiter is in the >tenth place from Saturn. It is also with less then 4 points as >required. The Saturn is with only one point. We consider the planet >in fourth place to be subordinate to the planet in tenth house. If >the planet in fourth place is with less then 4 points, then it some >times opposes for the functional karkatwa of the planet in 10th >house. Here is the example for the same. Jupiter is functional karak >for tenth house, means for authority, increament, etc. > This saturn being in the fourth house and with less points, >can oppose the karakatva of Jupiter in it's sub. That is Experienced >in Saturn main, Saturn Sub. i.e. Aug 63 to Aug 66. He had dispute >with his cammonding officer and left the Army. > Mr Sanjay this is for you, an example, you asked about this >________________ > > krushna > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2000 Report Share Posted December 11, 2000 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for the answer. It seems that we have to understand many fine points of the system. So we have a situation here where the planet with more than 12 points in the sheet can still give adverse results based on other factors in the chart. Even though these are better for the long term in this case because of Saturn being lord of D. So can we say that the 4:10 relationship is the most significant thing in the horoscope? We cannot look at total points without examining this. Would this supercede the total points in the worksheet? Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Monday, December 11, 2000 11:38 PM Re: Complete Study of the chart cont 4 Dear Sanjay, Answer for this question is given by me. Any how, Now the functional Karak planet for tenth house is Jupiter, Natural Karak is Sun. With Sun it is 6:8 situation. The main reason is, when The Planet in the fourth house is less then 4 points and have less points then the planet in tenth house, Shows such results. Here it is also lord of house D so these results proves good in long term, but at that time those seems to be bad. Suppose if Saturn would not be the lord of house D then the result would have bad only. Such planets in fourth house with less points take chance to oppose the planets in tenth house for the house it it is karak. Here again Boss and the subordinate. The subordinate is culprit,( because it is having less points then 4 and also less then the planet in 10 place ) Boss is more sober then the subordinate,( it is having more points then the planet in the fourth place) The such person takes chance to oppose his boss as and when he gets chance. He dont have respect for the boss, but have jealousy, with his boss, so when he gets some chance to oppose the boss he takes. We do not consider the planet in house D or E with less points. But in this case Saturn is the lord of 4th place. So the result given by the Saturn have been rectified by Jupiter. Thanks krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Complete Study of the chart cont 4 >Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:20:11 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you for the example. I have a question. Saturn has more than 12 >points >in the 10th house worksheet. It is also the lord of D. How can it give >adverse results just because it is in 4th from Jupiter with less points. > >Kind regards >Sanjay Jaggia > >- > " krushna " <krushanain > >Sunday, December 10, 2000 1:01 PM > Complete Study of the chart cont 4 > > >Dear List Member, > Now I think every body came to know, whose nativity chart is in >discussion. Yes He is Mr Ron Gaunt. He have given some rectifications >about events. On 20th July 1990 he had been to Hongkong instead of >Greece, and one more event he added that is he had been to Greece and >Egypt from 10th April 1988 to 15th May 1988 ( he typed 1998). This do >not effect any more. > > Any how, We consider the planet in fourth place, as Samdharmi >to the planet in the tenth house. In this case the Jupiter is in the >tenth place from Saturn. It is also with less then 4 points as >required. The Saturn is with only one point. We consider the planet >in fourth place to be subordinate to the planet in tenth house. If >the planet in fourth place is with less then 4 points, then it some >times opposes for the functional karkatwa of the planet in 10th >house. Here is the example for the same. Jupiter is functional karak >for tenth house, means for authority, increament, etc. > This saturn being in the fourth house and with less points, >can oppose the karakatva of Jupiter in it's sub. That is Experienced >in Saturn main, Saturn Sub. i.e. Aug 63 to Aug 66. He had dispute >with his cammonding officer and left the Army. > Mr Sanjay this is for you, an example, you asked about this >________________ > > krushna > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2000 Report Share Posted December 12, 2000 Dear Sanjay, The points in the work sheet gives the selection of the significator. More the points , the significator is more powerful. Now Quontum of the result, depends upon the points as well as the situation and position of the planet. For Example, Suppose We are considering the case of Marriage, The Venus can be the powerful significator, but suppose if it is in Krittica constellation, then the result will be some what different, suppose again if it is aspected by Saturn, agnain the results will be still worst, If such Venus is accompanied with Mars, the results will be more worst, ( it will give multiple marriages and or more sexual relations.) in Some special cases, it makes the person Homosexual. Now suppose such venus and or Saturn are in sight of Jupiter, then the effect will be reduced. So Please do not get confused with Significator, and results. The Significator can give result in both direction. Generally the results given are good, in some special case it can be in reverse direction. Some times when a case of multiple marriages, the marriage happens in the significator having less then 12 points and breaks in the sub of the planet having mAXIMUM points. Yes you are correct that the 4:10 relationship is very important. it can chang the entire result. Thanks krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Complete Study of the chart cont 4 >Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:54:18 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you for the answer. It seems that we have to understand many fine >points of the system. > >So we have a situation here where the planet with more than 12 points in >the >sheet can still give adverse results based on other factors in the chart. >Even though these are better for the long term in this case because of >Saturn being lord of D. So can we say that the 4:10 relationship is the >most >significant thing in the horoscope? We cannot look at total points without >examining this. Would this supercede the total points in the worksheet? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Monday, December 11, 2000 11:38 PM >Re: Complete Study of the chart cont 4 > > >Dear Sanjay, >Answer for this question is given by me. Any how, Now the functional Karak >planet for tenth house is Jupiter, Natural Karak is Sun. With Sun it is 6:8 >situation. The main reason is, when The Planet in the fourth house is less >then 4 points and have less points then the planet in tenth house, Shows >such results. Here it is also lord of house D so these results proves good >in long term, but at that time those seems to be bad. Suppose if Saturn >would not be the lord of house D then the result would have bad only. Such >planets in fourth house with less points take chance to oppose the planets >in tenth house for the house it it is karak. > Here again Boss and the subordinate. The subordinate is culprit,( >because it is having less points then 4 and also less then the planet in 10 >place ) Boss is more sober then the subordinate,( it is having more points >then the planet in the fourth place) The such person takes chance to oppose >his boss as and when he gets chance. He dont have respect for the boss, but >have jealousy, with his boss, so when he gets some chance to oppose the >boss >he takes. > We do not consider the planet in house D or E with less points. >But >in this case Saturn is the lord of 4th place. So the result given by the >Saturn have been rectified by Jupiter. > Thanks >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Re: Complete Study of the chart cont >4 > >Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:20:11 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >Thank you for the example. I have a question. Saturn has more than 12 > >points > >in the 10th house worksheet. It is also the lord of D. How can it give > >adverse results just because it is in 4th from Jupiter with less points. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay Jaggia > > > >- > > " krushna " <krushanain > > > >Sunday, December 10, 2000 1:01 PM > > Complete Study of the chart cont 4 > > > > > >Dear List Member, > > Now I think every body came to know, whose nativity chart is in > >discussion. Yes He is Mr Ron Gaunt. He have given some rectifications > >about events. On 20th July 1990 he had been to Hongkong instead of > >Greece, and one more event he added that is he had been to Greece and > >Egypt from 10th April 1988 to 15th May 1988 ( he typed 1998). This do > >not effect any more. > > > > Any how, We consider the planet in fourth place, as Samdharmi > >to the planet in the tenth house. In this case the Jupiter is in the > >tenth place from Saturn. It is also with less then 4 points as > >required. The Saturn is with only one point. We consider the planet > >in fourth place to be subordinate to the planet in tenth house. If > >the planet in fourth place is with less then 4 points, then it some > >times opposes for the functional karkatwa of the planet in 10th > >house. Here is the example for the same. Jupiter is functional karak > >for tenth house, means for authority, increament, etc. > > This saturn being in the fourth house and with less points, > >can oppose the karakatva of Jupiter in it's sub. That is Experienced > >in Saturn main, Saturn Sub. i.e. Aug 63 to Aug 66. He had dispute > >with his cammonding officer and left the Army. > > Mr Sanjay this is for you, an example, you asked about this > >________________ > > > > krushna > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2000 Report Share Posted December 12, 2000 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for your explanations. While I follow your logic, I think it will be better internalized as we see and discuss more charts. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Tuesday, December 12, 2000 10:53 PM Re: Complete Study of the chart cont 4 Dear Sanjay, The points in the work sheet gives the selection of the significator. More the points , the significator is more powerful. Now Quontum of the result, depends upon the points as well as the situation and position of the planet. For Example, Suppose We are considering the case of Marriage, The Venus can be the powerful significator, but suppose if it is in Krittica constellation, then the result will be some what different, suppose again if it is aspected by Saturn, agnain the results will be still worst, If such Venus is accompanied with Mars, the results will be more worst, ( it will give multiple marriages and or more sexual relations.) in Some special cases, it makes the person Homosexual. Now suppose such venus and or Saturn are in sight of Jupiter, then the effect will be reduced. So Please do not get confused with Significator, and results. The Significator can give result in both direction. Generally the results given are good, in some special case it can be in reverse direction. Some times when a case of multiple marriages, the marriage happens in the significator having less then 12 points and breaks in the sub of the planet having mAXIMUM points. Yes you are correct that the 4:10 relationship is very important. it can chang the entire result. Thanks krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Complete Study of the chart cont 4 >Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:54:18 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you for the answer. It seems that we have to understand many fine >points of the system. > >So we have a situation here where the planet with more than 12 points in >the >sheet can still give adverse results based on other factors in the chart. >Even though these are better for the long term in this case because of >Saturn being lord of D. So can we say that the 4:10 relationship is the >most >significant thing in the horoscope? We cannot look at total points without >examining this. Would this supercede the total points in the worksheet? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Monday, December 11, 2000 11:38 PM >Re: Complete Study of the chart cont 4 > > >Dear Sanjay, >Answer for this question is given by me. Any how, Now the functional Karak >planet for tenth house is Jupiter, Natural Karak is Sun. With Sun it is 6:8 >situation. The main reason is, when The Planet in the fourth house is less >then 4 points and have less points then the planet in tenth house, Shows >such results. Here it is also lord of house D so these results proves good >in long term, but at that time those seems to be bad. Suppose if Saturn >would not be the lord of house D then the result would have bad only. Such >planets in fourth house with less points take chance to oppose the planets >in tenth house for the house it it is karak. > Here again Boss and the subordinate. The subordinate is culprit,( >because it is having less points then 4 and also less then the planet in 10 >place ) Boss is more sober then the subordinate,( it is having more points >then the planet in the fourth place) The such person takes chance to oppose >his boss as and when he gets chance. He dont have respect for the boss, but >have jealousy, with his boss, so when he gets some chance to oppose the >boss >he takes. > We do not consider the planet in house D or E with less points. >But >in this case Saturn is the lord of 4th place. So the result given by the >Saturn have been rectified by Jupiter. > Thanks >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Re: Complete Study of the chart cont >4 > >Mon, 11 Dec 2000 13:20:11 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >Thank you for the example. I have a question. Saturn has more than 12 > >points > >in the 10th house worksheet. It is also the lord of D. How can it give > >adverse results just because it is in 4th from Jupiter with less points. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay Jaggia > > > >- > > " krushna " <krushanain > > > >Sunday, December 10, 2000 1:01 PM > > Complete Study of the chart cont 4 > > > > > >Dear List Member, > > Now I think every body came to know, whose nativity chart is in > >discussion. Yes He is Mr Ron Gaunt. He have given some rectifications > >about events. On 20th July 1990 he had been to Hongkong instead of > >Greece, and one more event he added that is he had been to Greece and > >Egypt from 10th April 1988 to 15th May 1988 ( he typed 1998). This do > >not effect any more. > > > > Any how, We consider the planet in fourth place, as Samdharmi > >to the planet in the tenth house. In this case the Jupiter is in the > >tenth place from Saturn. It is also with less then 4 points as > >required. The Saturn is with only one point. We consider the planet > >in fourth place to be subordinate to the planet in tenth house. If > >the planet in fourth place is with less then 4 points, then it some > >times opposes for the functional karkatwa of the planet in 10th > >house. Here is the example for the same. Jupiter is functional karak > >for tenth house, means for authority, increament, etc. > > This saturn being in the fourth house and with less points, > >can oppose the karakatva of Jupiter in it's sub. That is Experienced > >in Saturn main, Saturn Sub. i.e. Aug 63 to Aug 66. He had dispute > >with his cammonding officer and left the Army. > > Mr Sanjay this is for you, an example, you asked about this > >________________ > > > > krushna > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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