Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 Dear list members Sorry to hear, Ron, about this complaint. Krushna told us to use an ayanamsha of 22* 04' 28 " for Ron' s birthdate in 1936. As I said earlier, if we use Lahiri's ayanamsha of 22* 58' 37 " on that date, we would subtract 54' 09 " from Lahiri's 22* 58' 37' to get to Krushna's ayanamsha. Now Peter tells us that for his birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told him to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27 " . On that date Lahiri's was 22* 53' 02 " . So, logically, deducting 54' 09 " from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get us to Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26 " ! The reason can't be the marginal difference in the precession rate, esp. with only 6yrs between birthdates. So what is the explanation for the confusion. I would much welcome clarification, as I am at a loss to understand why this does'nt work. Thanks and regards Christine Thanks Christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2000 Report Share Posted December 13, 2000 Dear Christine - Now Peter tells us that for his birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told him to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27". On that date Lahiri's was 22* 53' 02". So, logically, deducting 54' 09" from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get us to Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26"! The problem arises because you're supposed to deduct 1 deg. 01 min and 40 sec from Lahiri, NOT 54' 09". If you want to subtract 54' 09" you have to do it from Raman's ayanamsha, not Lahiri's. Hope this helps- Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 In a message dated 00-12-13 20:00:16 EST, you write: Dear Donna and List > Now Peter tells us that for his birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told him > to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27 " . On that date Lahiri's was 22* 53' 02 " . > So, logically, deducting 54' 09 " from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get us to > Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26 " ! >>The problem arises because you're supposed to deduct 1 deg. 01 min and 40 sec >>from Lahiri, NOT 54' 09 " . If you want to subtract 54' 09 " you have to do it >>from Raman's ayanamsha, not Lahiri's. >>Hope this helps- Regretfully, it does not help, because the 7' discrepancy is still there... the other way round, this time it is in Ron' s chart! Applying your deduction of 1* 01' 40 " from Lahiri, on Ron's birthdate, Lahiri is 22* 58' 37 " minus 1*01' 40 " equals 21* 56' 57 " NOT 22* 04' 28 " , as Krushna said, the difference being 7' 31 " . So either way, there is a mistake somewhere. Christine -------------------- Dear Christine - <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style= " BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px " >Now Peter tells us that for his birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told him to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27 " . On that date Lahiri's was 22* 53' 02 " . So, logically, deducting 54' 09 " from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get us to Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26 " ! </BLOCKQUOTE> The problem arises because you're supposed to deduct 1 deg. 01 min and 40 sec from Lahiri, NOT 54' 09 " . If you want to subtract 54' 09 " you have to do it from Raman's ayanamsha, not Lahiri's. Hope this helps- Donna <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> <td align=center>eGroups Sponsor</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> <td width=470><A HREF= " http://rd./M=102308.1038796.2731130.908943/D=egroupmail/S=17000 82690:N/A=466330/?http://www. " ><img width=468 height=60 src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/my/my_cobrand/my_zapme/music5.gif " alt= " Click Here! " border=0></A></td> </tr> </table> <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> <tt> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Dear Christine, Probably you were not a member of the list when these points re the ayanamsa were discussed. There were very many letters exchanged on the subjectand in fact Krushna gave a table of his ayanamsas to go with lesson 6. These covered every year from 1900 to 2001. Unfortunately no matter how you adjust Goravani or Parasara you can never get them to agree exactly with Krushna for every year. I finished up with the adjustment as I told you earlier. This was chose on the fact that it gave an ayanamsa fairly close to Krushna's on the tests I did and it also gave a lagna which was very close to Krushna's. On the rectifaction chart for Ron for example using my adjustments PL gave an ayanamsa of 21:56:51 and a lagna of 20:55 Leo while Goravani gave an ayanamsa of 21:56:36 and a lagna of 20:55Leo. They may not be exactly the same as Krushna's but they give the same result and are only out by 2-3 days in the dasas. Overall this is about the amount they are usually different from Krushna. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Dear Krushna and list Many thanks for the explanation, Krushna, I feel much relieved! Now, could someone be kind enough to tell me how to access the site and the files containing lessons and worksheet;-I don't even have a name for the site. I'll be most grateful. Thanks and regards Christine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Dear Christine - Now Peter tells us that for his birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told him > to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27". On that date Lahiri's was 22* 53' 02". > So, logically, deducting 54' 09" from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get us to > Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26"! If you take Krushna's Ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27" and subtract it from Lahiri's of 22* 53' 02", you will get a difference of 01* 01' 13". It will never come out exact every time in the seconds department, so we average it off to 04", which is neglible and doesn't reflect noticeably enough to change anything in the software programs that calculate it. If you deduct 54' 09", you can't take it away from Lahiri's ayanamsha. You first have to get Raman's ayanamsha for that and THEN do a subtraction. That's why I prefer to take the 01* 01' 04" from Lahiri. It's simple enough and gives me the closest to his ayanamsha that I need to be in order to figure out the chart correctly. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Dear Donna and list, Using the lesson 6 Krushna's Ayanamsha table I get 21*56' 31 " for Ron's birthday on Aug 13, 1936, a leap year so I used 226 days after Jan 1. I am not getting 22*04'28 " that Krushna said, I am also off by 7' 57 " am I doing something wrong? Thank You Sylvia On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:27:39 EST XINEFOURNI writes: > In a message dated 00-12-13 20:00:16 EST, you write: > > > Dear Donna and List > > > Now Peter tells us that for his birthdate on 23 June 1930, > Krushna told > him > > to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27 " . On that date Lahiri's was 22* > 53' 02 " . > > So, logically, deducting 54' 09 " from Lahiri's ayanamsha should > get us to > > Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26 " ! > > > >>The problem arises because you're supposed to deduct 1 deg. 01 > min and 40 > sec > >>from Lahiri, NOT 54' 09 " . If you want to subtract 54' 09 " you > have to do > it > >>from Raman's ayanamsha, not Lahiri's. > > >>Hope this helps- > > Regretfully, it does not help, because the 7' discrepancy is still > there... > the other way round, this time it is in Ron' s chart! > Applying your deduction of 1* 01' 40 " from Lahiri, on Ron's > birthdate, > Lahiri is 22* 58' 37 " minus 1*01' 40 " equals 21* 56' 57 " NOT 22* 04' > 28 " , as > Krushna said, the difference being 7' 31 " . > So either way, there is a mistake somewhere. > > Christine > -------------------- > Dear Christine - > > > > > > <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style= " BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; > MARGIN-LEFT: > 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px " >Now Peter tells us that > for his > birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told him > > to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27 " . On that date Lahiri's was 22* > 53' 02 " . > > So, logically, deducting 54' 09 " from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get > us to > > Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26 " ! > > > > </BLOCKQUOTE> > > > > The problem arises because you're supposed to deduct 1 deg. 01 min > and 40 sec > from Lahiri, NOT 54' 09 " . If you want to subtract 54' 09 " you have > to do it > from Raman's ayanamsha, not Lahiri's. > > > > Hope this helps- > > > > Donna > > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > <td align=center>eGroups Sponsor</td> > </tr> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> > <td width=470><A > HREF= " http://rd./M=102308.1038796.2731130.908943/D=egroupmail/S= 17000 > > 82690:N/A=466330/?http://www. " ><img width=468 height=60 > src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/my/my_cobrand/my_zapme/music5.gi f " > > alt= " Click Here! " border=0></A></td> > </tr> > </table> > > <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > > > > <tt> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Dear Sylvia - Using the lesson 6 Krushna's Ayanamsha table I get 21*56' 31" for Ron's birthday on Aug 13, 1936, a leap year so I used 226 days after Jan 1. I am not getting 22*04'28" that Krushna said, I am also off by 7' 57" am I doing something wrong? Now that I see Krushna's Ayanamsha chart, there IS a big difference of 7-8 minutes without even doing any calculations for the day itself. Just by looking at the years, 22:04:28 corresponds to 1946, not 1936. This might've been a typo on Krushna's part. You'll have to ask him. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Dear Cristine, You are correct, the Ayanansha should be 21:56:57. In last month my computer was attack by virus. At that time I have changed the hard disk of my computer. Refeeded all the datas. quite possible from that time it might giving this wrong value. After seeing your so many mails, just calculated manually, and found this mistake. I have put the value given by my computer which is 22:04:28. after checking, I found the mistake. It must be 21:56:57. So there is a difference of 07':31 " . This will creat a diifference of 5 days, in dasha. Dasha will start 5 days early. Thanks for sticking to the mistake, and for the reason. krushna >XINEFOURNI > > >Re: Ron's and Peter's ayanamshas >Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:27:39 EST > >In a message dated 00-12-13 20:00:16 EST, you write: > > > Dear Donna and List > > > Now Peter tells us that for his birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told >him > > to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27 " . On that date Lahiri's was 22* 53' >02 " . > > So, logically, deducting 54' 09 " from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get us >to > > Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26 " ! > > >>The problem arises because you're supposed to deduct 1 deg. 01 min and >40 >sec > >>from Lahiri, NOT 54' 09 " . If you want to subtract 54' 09 " you have to >do >it > >>from Raman's ayanamsha, not Lahiri's. > > >>Hope this helps- > >Regretfully, it does not help, because the 7' discrepancy is still there... >the other way round, this time it is in Ron' s chart! >Applying your deduction of 1* 01' 40 " from Lahiri, on Ron's birthdate, >Lahiri is 22* 58' 37 " minus 1*01' 40 " equals 21* 56' 57 " NOT 22* 04' 28 " , >as >Krushna said, the difference being 7' 31 " . >So either way, there is a mistake somewhere. > >Christine > -------------------- > Dear Christine - > > > > > ><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style= " BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: >5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px " >Now Peter tells us that for his >birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told him > >to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27 " . On that date Lahiri's was 22* 53' 02 " . > >So, logically, deducting 54' 09 " from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get us to > >Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26 " ! > > > ></BLOCKQUOTE> > > > >The problem arises because you're supposed to deduct 1 deg. 01 min and 40 >sec >from Lahiri, NOT 54' 09 " . If you want to subtract 54' 09 " you have to do it >from Raman's ayanamsha, not Lahiri's. > > > >Hope this helps- > > > >Donna > > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > <td align=center>eGroups Sponsor</td> > </tr> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> > <td width=470><A >HREF= " http://rd./M=102308.1038796.2731130.908943/D=egroupmail/S=17000 > >82690:N/A=466330/?http://www. " ><img width=468 height=60 >src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/my/my_cobrand/my_zapme/music5.gif " >alt= " Click Here! " border=0></A></td> > </tr> > </table> > > <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > > > > <tt> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2000 Report Share Posted December 14, 2000 Dear Christine, Sorry the difference will be about 56 days. not 5 days. krushna >XINEFOURNI > > >Re: Ron's and Peter's ayanamshas >Thu, 14 Dec 2000 12:27:39 EST > >In a message dated 00-12-13 20:00:16 EST, you write: > > > Dear Donna and List > > > Now Peter tells us that for his birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told >him > > to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27 " . On that date Lahiri's was 22* 53' >02 " . > > So, logically, deducting 54' 09 " from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get us >to > > Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26 " ! > > >>The problem arises because you're supposed to deduct 1 deg. 01 min and >40 >sec > >>from Lahiri, NOT 54' 09 " . If you want to subtract 54' 09 " you have to >do >it > >>from Raman's ayanamsha, not Lahiri's. > > >>Hope this helps- > >Regretfully, it does not help, because the 7' discrepancy is still there... >the other way round, this time it is in Ron' s chart! >Applying your deduction of 1* 01' 40 " from Lahiri, on Ron's birthdate, >Lahiri is 22* 58' 37 " minus 1*01' 40 " equals 21* 56' 57 " NOT 22* 04' 28 " , >as >Krushna said, the difference being 7' 31 " . >So either way, there is a mistake somewhere. > >Christine > -------------------- > Dear Christine - > > > > > ><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style= " BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: >5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px " >Now Peter tells us that for his >birthdate on 23 June 1930, Krushna told him > >to use an ayanamsha of 21* 51' 27 " . On that date Lahiri's was 22* 53' 02 " . > >So, logically, deducting 54' 09 " from Lahiri's ayanamsha should get us to > >Krushna's ayanamsha. Problem is, it does not; it's off by 7' 26 " ! > > > ></BLOCKQUOTE> > > > >The problem arises because you're supposed to deduct 1 deg. 01 min and 40 >sec >from Lahiri, NOT 54' 09 " . If you want to subtract 54' 09 " you have to do it >from Raman's ayanamsha, not Lahiri's. > > > >Hope this helps- > > > >Donna > > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > <td align=center>eGroups Sponsor</td> > </tr> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> > <td width=470><A >HREF= " http://rd./M=102308.1038796.2731130.908943/D=egroupmail/S=17000 > >82690:N/A=466330/?http://www. " ><img width=468 height=60 >src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/my/my_cobrand/my_zapme/music5.gif " >alt= " Click Here! " border=0></A></td> > </tr> > </table> > > <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > > > > <tt> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 Dear Sylvia, As I said yesterday the only way you can agree with Krushna is to use his method of calculation which is fairly long winded. If you look at the figures I gave you yesterday from my adjustment of Goravanui and PL you will find they agree with the figure you came up within 00:00:05 and 00:00:20 respectively. This is because the PL is a straight line and Goravani is a curved line. If you use the figure you came up with the lagna is within 7minutes ,the other planets are exact and the dasas are about 3 days difference. I do not think you will ever get it closer than that using a computer. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2000 Report Share Posted December 15, 2000 Dear Peter, I have been using J Hora lite and I come up with 21:56:56 ayanamsha for Ron's chart subtrating the 1:1:40 it is only 25 seconds different then Krushna's Ayanamsha table,that should be about one day difference in the dasas. Sylvia On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:23:20 +1000 " Peter Sutcliffe " <petermay writes: > Dear Sylvia, > As I said yesterday the only way you can agree with Krushna is to > use his > method of calculation which is fairly long winded. If you look at > the > figures I gave you yesterday from my adjustment of Goravanui and PL > you will > find they agree with the figure you came up within 00:00:05 and > 00:00:20 > respectively. This is because the PL is a straight line and Goravani > is a > curved line. If you use the figure you came up with the lagna is > within > 7minutes ,the other planets are exact and the dasas are about 3 days > difference. I do not think you will ever get it closer than that > using a > computer. > > Peter > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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