exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita

[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita and list

 

Many thanks. Each answer helps, and little by little I'll be able to

reconstruct the puzzle. Fate is conspiring against me and even friends can't

seem to be able to open the files for me. While we wait for additional

comments, I would like to ask one or two small questions in your text in caps

below.

KRUSHNA SOME QUESTIONS MAY NEED YOUR INPUT, PLEASE.

Hello Christine and listmembers,

I think Krushna's idea was very good to present your mail as an exercice.

Well, you made quite a job of it Christine !

 

I was getting completely lost in counting all those houses one from the

other so I went back to the lessons to look for some simple clues

The marriage in Mars' sub

Mars is lord of the 4th

According to the table in lesson 4, p. 23 : " In the subperiod of the lord

of house 4 or planets residing there with more than 4 points, results will be

linked to 7th and/or 11th. " So Mars could give marriage because 7th is 4th

from 4th.

lesson 7, p 33 : " The planets that are aspecting the significator houses

will NOT come forewards to give the results for an event, BUT Mars is lord of

D in E and can bring results

 

IS IT CORRECT THAT THE REASON THE LORD OF THE NATAL 4TH GIVES THE RESULTS OF

THE 7TH IS THAT HE BECOMES LORD OF HSE D OF MARRIAGE CHART [b IN 7TH HSE].

AND THAT HE GIVES THE RESULTS OF THE 11TH BECAUSE IN THE BIRTH CHART OF

INCOME [b IN 11TH] HE, THE NATAL 4TH LORD, BECOMES THE LORD OF HSE E. IF

CORRECT, IT'S GREAT LOGIC.

 

SO CAN IT BE CONCLUDED THAT THE LORD OF HSE D [4/10 WITH APPLICABLE B AND

5/9 WITH RELATED E] OR E [CONCEPTION OF RELATED B BIRTH] should be given the

prefence in terms of PROVOKING A RESULT? IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS NUMBER OF

POINTS; AND IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS ASPECTS?

 

AM I READING RIGHT THAT THE LORD OF THE HOUSE--AS OPPOSED TO ITS

RESIDENT--NEED NOT HAVE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF POINTS.. BUT A PLANET IN D OR E

MUST HAVE AT LEAST 4 PTS TO BE A SIGNIFICATOR? WOULD THESE REQUIREMENTS BE

IN ADDITION TO THOSE DESCRIBED BY SANJAY?

 

WHAT ARE THE RECOGNIZED RKA ASPECTS? 1/7 AND 5/9 OR ONLY 1/7?

 

What other planets can give the results ?

Not Saturn because he has not enough points. OK

..Not Venus and Mercury because they are also aspecting house B

OK

Jupiter cannot help because he has less than 4 points in house D

OK. SO THIS RULE IS IN ADDITION TO REQUIREMENT OF HAVING GREATEST NUBER OF

POINTS AND INDEPENDENT OF IT?

DOES IT APPLY ONLY TO PLANETS IN D OR E?

 

So this leaves us with Sun and Moon

But Mars is natural Samdharmi to both Sun and Moon and this is why he could

be elected to give the results. Sun and Moon subs being a bit early for

marriage perhaps ?

SHOULD I ASSUME THAT MARS IS NOT THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR IN HIS OWN RIGHT

BUT THAT HE HAS 12 OR MORE POINTS.?

HE DOES NOT QUALIFY BY HIMSELF BECAUSE HE HAS 2 PTS IN E OR FOR ANOTHER

REASON?

IS IT THE CASE THAT IN A NATURAL SAMDHARMI RELATIONSHIP THE SIGNIFICATOR

MOON OR SUN NEED NOT HAVE LESS THAN 4 PTS? BUT THAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED IN A

FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP?

Of course I don't think I would have found myself the date of marriage. It's

always easy to find some reasons " afterwards " to justify an event.

DON'T BE TOO MODEST

The Sun was also transiting house A when Ron married

 

The separation in Ron's marriage rahu sub

Well, I didn't do the chart for the longevity of the marriage. I just

switched the chart by taking the 7th house as the asc for the spouse.

I think Jupiter is the culprit because in Ron's chart he is the second lord

of house " B " and will give troubles, but he is also the 2nd lord of his

wife's asc, which means worries and difficulties. So Jupiter seems bad for

both of them.

Rahu is Samdharmi to both Jupiter and Ketu and to my meaning the nodes

always play some havoc.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN SAMDHARMI IN THIS CONTEXT? 2/12 RELATIONSHIP. RAHU IN SAG

ACTS FOR JUPITER?

But of course here again I would have been unable to find this troubled

period in the future.

I THINK I HAVE JUST UNDERSTOOD AT LAST WHY KRUSHNA WAS ASKING WHY JUPITER

WAS STRONGEST PLANET IN RON'S CHART!!!

As to your questions

1. about the astrological guru

I cannot answer that question. We go through life, meet the right

people, read the right books and have the right experiences were we can learn

from only when the time is ripe. So I never looked for a guru because all my

life I was a bit allergic to " imposed authority " but confident that what

has to happen happens anyway.

This is how things work for me but I'm certainly not a reference!

I AGREE WITH YOU BY TEMPERAMENT, AND HAVE ACTED IN THE SAME WAY, BUT THERE

COMES A POINT WHERE A FEW MONTHS OF INTENSIVE LEARNING WITH A LIVE HUMAN

BEING CAN MAKE ONE GAIN YEARS IN PROFICIENCY. SO MUCH CANNOT BE PUT IN

WRITTEN FORM.

2. the house for marriage engagement

I don't know, I should think it has to do something with Saturn perhaps ?

 

3. question about taking the 7th as the first for the spouse

Yes I think I would do that if I didn't have the chart of the spouse

herself. But I must say I have not enough experience to state that's the way

to do it.

I should nevertheless chose the 12th from a house to look at the " ending " So

for the spouse that would be the 9th from her asc; in Ron's chart, it would

be the 3th that should indicate the end of his spouse's job.

 

4. question father's and mother's chart.

Normally the father is the 9th house and the mother the 4th. But Krushna

says he choses the 3th for the mother because it's the opposite of the 9th.

This seems logical to me but I haven't had time to explore. There are only 24

hours in a day !!

 

I don't know if Saturn is playing a protective role in Ron's marriage. He is

also the 12th lord of " B " in " B " ! But I suppose he gives more stability than

Moon, Mercury of Mars in his 7th house.

 

Birth of children

I thought the birth of these 2 children was the most easy thing to guess

because Jupiter is both the natural and and the functional karaka and rahu is

in the 5th house and samdharmi to Jupiter who is also the strongest planets

in the worksheet

But Jupiter is aspecting house " A " so somebody else (Rahu) has to do the job

 

As for the 3th child I don't know. I still think Jupiter as natural and

functional karaka is the one to look at. But as he is excluded, perhaps

Venus, who is in the 10th from Jupiter, has good points and as lord of house

D can bring the results.

I THOUGHT VENUS WAS LORD OF E MERCURY LORD OF D IF SAG=B. WOULD THE LORD OF E

NOT ALSO BRING RESULTS?

Venus is not throwing aspect on a significator house so it can give results.

But I think Mercury too could have given results, his sub came in 1966 and I

don't know why he didn't give results like Venus.

MAYBE RON'S WIFE CHART HAS THE ANSWER SINCE SHE HAD TO CONCEIVE. AND NOT HIM.

I don't know why the rule of lesson 4 on page 23 doesn't apply to this

problem of childbirth either !

DOES IT SPECIFICALLY SAY SO? OTHERWISE IT MIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT

NATAL 4TH IS NOT ACTIVATED BY THE BIRTH CHART FOR KIDS WITH B IN SAG.IN RON'S

CASE. THE NATAL 2ND LORD SHOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT SINCE D FALLS IN VIRGO, BUT

THIS MAY BE ALL WRONG.

I don't know if we have to switch houses for the second and third child

because many " basic " rules of astrology become completely worthless when you

use this system. So, I cannot answer that question, perhaps when I become

more proficient and understand more about the real foundation of vedic

astrology things will become clear automaticly.

 

Well I hope my answers bring some light and not more confusion. I think we

can all learn from each other by the way we look at things so I'm looking

forewards to more mails only hoping to have enough time to go through them.

I AM MOST GRATEFUL, TRULY SO. ON A SEPARATE SUBJECT, WHY IS IT THAT YOUR

EMAILS COME ON DARK BACKGROUND; IT IS VERY VERY HARD TO READ! AND I LIKE

READING THEM.

Best regards

Christine

 

 

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<DIV>Hello Christine and listmembers,</DIV>

<DIV>I think Krushna's idea was very good to present

your mail as an exercice.</DIV>

<DIV>Well, you made quite a job of it Christine

!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I was getting completely lost in counting all those

houses one from the other so I went back to the lessons to look for some

simple clues</DIV>

<DIV><STRONG>The marriage in Mars'

sub</STRONG></DIV>

<DIV>Mars is lord of the 4th</DIV>

<DIV>According to the table in lesson 4, p.

23 : <EM> " In the subperiod of the lord of house 4 or planets residing

there with more than 4 points, results will be linked to 7th and/or 11th. "

</EM>So Mars could give marriage because 7th is 4th from 4th.</DIV>

<DIV>lesson 7, p 33 : " The planets that are aspecting

the significator houses will NOT come forewards to give the results for an

event, BUT Mars is lord of D in E and can bring results</DIV>

<DIV>What other planets can give the results

?</DIV>

<DIV>Not Saturn because he has not enough

points</DIV>

<DIV>Not Venus and Mercury because they are also

aspecting house B</DIV>

<DIV>Jupiter cannot help because he has less than 4

points in house D</DIV>

<DIV>So this leaves us with Sun and Moon</DIV>

<DIV>But Mars is natural Samdharmi to both Sun and Moon

and this is why he could be elected to give the results. Sun and Moon subs

being

a bit early for marriage perhaps ?</DIV>

<DIV>Of course I don't think I would have found myself

the date of marriage. It's always easy to find some reasons " afterwards " to

justify an event.</DIV>

<DIV>The Sun was also transiting house A when Ron

married</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV><STRONG>The separation in Ron's marriage rahu

sub</STRONG></DIV>

<DIV>Well, I didn't do the chart for the longevity

of the marriage. I just switched the chart by taking the 7th house as the

asc

for the spouse.</DIV>

<DIV>I think Jupiter is the culprit because in Ron's

chart he is the second lord of house " B " and will give troubles, but he is

also the 2nd lord of his wife's asc, which means worries and difficulties.

So

Jupiter seems bad for both of them. </DIV>

<DIV>Rahu is Samdharmi to both Jupiter and Ketu and to

my meaning the nodes always play some havoc.</DIV>

<DIV>But of course here again I would have been unable

to find this troubled period in the future.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>As to your questions</DIV>

<DIV><STRONG>1. about the astrological

guru</STRONG></DIV>

<DIV><STRONG> </STRONG>I cannot answer

that question. We go through life, meet the right people, read the right

books

and have the right experiences were we can learn from only when the time is

ripe. So I never looked for a guru because all my life I was a bit allergic

to " imposed authority " but confident that what has to happen happens

anyway.</DIV>

<DIV>This is how things work for me but I'm certainly

not a reference!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV><STRONG>2. the house for marriage

engagement</STRONG></DIV>

<DIV>I don't know, I should think it has to do something

with Saturn perhaps ?</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV><STRONG>3. question about taking the 7th as the

first for the spouse</STRONG></DIV>

<DIV>Yes I think I would do that if I didn't have the

chart of the spouse herself. But I must say I have not enough experience to

state that's the way to do it.</DIV>

<DIV>I should nevertheless chose the 12th from a house

to look at the " ending " So for the spouse that would be the 9th from her

asc; in

Ron's chart, it would be the 3th that should indicate the end of his

spouse's

job.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV><STRONG>4. question father's and mother's

chart.</STRONG></DIV>

<DIV>Normally the father is the 9th house and the mother

the 4th. But Krushna says he choses the 3th for the mother because it's the

opposite of the 9th. This seems logical to me but I haven't had time to

explore.

There are only 24 hours in a day !!</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I don't know if Saturn is playing a protective role

in Ron's marriage. He is also the 12th lord of " B " in " B " ! But I suppose he

gives more stability than Moon, Mercury of Mars in his 7th house.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV><STRONG>Birth of children</STRONG></DIV>

<DIV>I thought the birth of these 2 children was the

most easy thing to guess because Jupiter is both the natural and and the

functional karaka and rahu is in the 5th house and samdharmi to Jupiter who

is

also the strongest planets in the worksheet</DIV>

<DIV>But Jupiter is aspecting house " A " so somebody else

(Rahu) has to do the job</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>As for the 3th child I don't know. I still think

Jupiter as natural and functional karaka is the one to look at. But as he is

excluded, perhaps Venus, who is in the 10th from Jupiter, has good points

and as

lord of house D can bring the results.</DIV>

<DIV>Venus is not throwing aspect on a significator

house so it can give results. But I think Mercury too could have given

results,

his sub came in 1966 and I don't know why he didn't give results like Venus.

</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I don't know why the rule of lesson 4 on page 23

doesn't apply to this problem of childbirth either !</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>I don't know if we have to switch houses for the

second and third child because many " basic " rules of astrology become

completely worthless when you use this system. So, I cannot answer that

question, perhaps when I become more proficient and understand more about

the

real foundation of vedic astrology things will become clear

automaticly.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Well I hope my answers bring some light and not

more confusion. I think we can all learn from each other by the way we look

at

things so I'm looking forewards to more mails only hoping to have enough

time to

go through them.</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

<DIV>Best regards</DIV>

<DIV>Margarita</DIV>

<DIV> </DIV>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Christine,

Thanks for your mail, I will go through it later.

I didn't know that my mails come on a black background !! I will check that

but has I'm not very computer litterate I'll have to ask. But isn't there

some button swich somewhere where you can change that on your coputer.

Perhaps Donna knows ?

Best regards

Margarita

-

<XINEFOURNI

 

Tuesday, December 19, 2000 3:53 AM

Re: exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita

 

 

> Dear Margarita and list

>

> Many thanks. Each answer helps, and little by little I'll be able to

> reconstruct the puzzle. Fate is conspiring against me and even friends

can't

> seem to be able to open the files for me. While we wait for additional

> comments, I would like to ask one or two small questions in your text in

caps

> below.

> KRUSHNA SOME QUESTIONS MAY NEED YOUR INPUT, PLEASE.

> Hello Christine and listmembers,

> I think Krushna's idea was very good to present your mail as an exercice.

> Well, you made quite a job of it Christine !

>

> I was getting completely lost in counting all those houses one from the

> other so I went back to the lessons to look for some simple clues

> The marriage in Mars' sub

> Mars is lord of the 4th

> According to the table in lesson 4, p. 23 : " In the subperiod of the

lord

> of house 4 or planets residing there with more than 4 points, results will

be

> linked to 7th and/or 11th. " So Mars could give marriage because 7th is

4th

> from 4th.

> lesson 7, p 33 : " The planets that are aspecting the significator houses

> will NOT come forewards to give the results for an event, BUT Mars is lord

of

> D in E and can bring results

>

> IS IT CORRECT THAT THE REASON THE LORD OF THE NATAL 4TH GIVES THE RESULTS

OF

> THE 7TH IS THAT HE BECOMES LORD OF HSE D OF MARRIAGE CHART [b IN 7TH HSE].

> AND THAT HE GIVES THE RESULTS OF THE 11TH BECAUSE IN THE BIRTH CHART OF

> INCOME [b IN 11TH] HE, THE NATAL 4TH LORD, BECOMES THE LORD OF HSE E. IF

> CORRECT, IT'S GREAT LOGIC.

>

> SO CAN IT BE CONCLUDED THAT THE LORD OF HSE D [4/10 WITH APPLICABLE B

AND

> 5/9 WITH RELATED E] OR E [CONCEPTION OF RELATED B BIRTH] should be given

the

> prefence in terms of PROVOKING A RESULT? IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS NUMBER OF

> POINTS; AND IRRESPECTIVE OF HIS ASPECTS?

>

> AM I READING RIGHT THAT THE LORD OF THE HOUSE--AS OPPOSED TO ITS

> RESIDENT--NEED NOT HAVE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF POINTS.. BUT A PLANET IN D OR

E

> MUST HAVE AT LEAST 4 PTS TO BE A SIGNIFICATOR? WOULD THESE REQUIREMENTS

BE

> IN ADDITION TO THOSE DESCRIBED BY SANJAY?

>

> WHAT ARE THE RECOGNIZED RKA ASPECTS? 1/7 AND 5/9 OR ONLY 1/7?

>

> What other planets can give the results ?

> Not Saturn because he has not enough points. OK

> .Not Venus and Mercury because they are also aspecting house B

> OK

> Jupiter cannot help because he has less than 4 points in house D

> OK. SO THIS RULE IS IN ADDITION TO REQUIREMENT OF HAVING GREATEST NUBER OF

> POINTS AND INDEPENDENT OF IT?

> DOES IT APPLY ONLY TO PLANETS IN D OR E?

>

> So this leaves us with Sun and Moon

> But Mars is natural Samdharmi to both Sun and Moon and this is why he

could

> be elected to give the results. Sun and Moon subs being a bit early for

> marriage perhaps ?

> SHOULD I ASSUME THAT MARS IS NOT THE STRONGEST SIGNIFICATOR IN HIS OWN

RIGHT

> BUT THAT HE HAS 12 OR MORE POINTS.?

> HE DOES NOT QUALIFY BY HIMSELF BECAUSE HE HAS 2 PTS IN E OR FOR ANOTHER

> REASON?

> IS IT THE CASE THAT IN A NATURAL SAMDHARMI RELATIONSHIP THE SIGNIFICATOR

> MOON OR SUN NEED NOT HAVE LESS THAN 4 PTS? BUT THAT IT WOULD BE REQUIRED

IN A

> FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP?

> Of course I don't think I would have found myself the date of marriage.

It's

> always easy to find some reasons " afterwards " to justify an event.

> DON'T BE TOO MODEST

> The Sun was also transiting house A when Ron married

>

> The separation in Ron's marriage rahu sub

> Well, I didn't do the chart for the longevity of the marriage. I just

> switched the chart by taking the 7th house as the asc for the spouse.

> I think Jupiter is the culprit because in Ron's chart he is the second

lord

> of house " B " and will give troubles, but he is also the 2nd lord of his

> wife's asc, which means worries and difficulties. So Jupiter seems bad for

> both of them.

> Rahu is Samdharmi to both Jupiter and Ketu and to my meaning the nodes

> always play some havoc.

> CAN YOU EXPLAIN SAMDHARMI IN THIS CONTEXT? 2/12 RELATIONSHIP. RAHU IN SAG

> ACTS FOR JUPITER?

> But of course here again I would have been unable to find this troubled

> period in the future.

> I THINK I HAVE JUST UNDERSTOOD AT LAST WHY KRUSHNA WAS ASKING WHY JUPITER

> WAS STRONGEST PLANET IN RON'S CHART!!!

> As to your questions

> 1. about the astrological guru

> I cannot answer that question. We go through life, meet the right

> people, read the right books and have the right experiences were we can

learn

> from only when the time is ripe. So I never looked for a guru because all

my

> life I was a bit allergic to " imposed authority " but confident that what

> has to happen happens anyway.

> This is how things work for me but I'm certainly not a reference!

> I AGREE WITH YOU BY TEMPERAMENT, AND HAVE ACTED IN THE SAME WAY, BUT

THERE

> COMES A POINT WHERE A FEW MONTHS OF INTENSIVE LEARNING WITH A LIVE HUMAN

> BEING CAN MAKE ONE GAIN YEARS IN PROFICIENCY. SO MUCH CANNOT BE PUT IN

> WRITTEN FORM.

> 2. the house for marriage engagement

> I don't know, I should think it has to do something with Saturn perhaps ?

>

> 3. question about taking the 7th as the first for the spouse

> Yes I think I would do that if I didn't have the chart of the spouse

> herself. But I must say I have not enough experience to state that's the

way

> to do it.

> I should nevertheless chose the 12th from a house to look at the " ending "

So

> for the spouse that would be the 9th from her asc; in Ron's chart, it

would

> be the 3th that should indicate the end of his spouse's job.

>

> 4. question father's and mother's chart.

> Normally the father is the 9th house and the mother the 4th. But Krushna

> says he choses the 3th for the mother because it's the opposite of the

9th.

> This seems logical to me but I haven't had time to explore. There are only

24

> hours in a day !!

>

> I don't know if Saturn is playing a protective role in Ron's marriage. He

is

> also the 12th lord of " B " in " B " ! But I suppose he gives more stability

than

> Moon, Mercury of Mars in his 7th house.

>

> Birth of children

> I thought the birth of these 2 children was the most easy thing to guess

> because Jupiter is both the natural and and the functional karaka and rahu

is

> in the 5th house and samdharmi to Jupiter who is also the strongest

planets

> in the worksheet

> But Jupiter is aspecting house " A " so somebody else (Rahu) has to do the

job

>

> As for the 3th child I don't know. I still think Jupiter as natural and

> functional karaka is the one to look at. But as he is excluded, perhaps

> Venus, who is in the 10th from Jupiter, has good points and as lord of

house

> D can bring the results.

> I THOUGHT VENUS WAS LORD OF E MERCURY LORD OF D IF SAG=B. WOULD THE LORD

OF E

> NOT ALSO BRING RESULTS?

> Venus is not throwing aspect on a significator house so it can give

results.

> But I think Mercury too could have given results, his sub came in 1966 and

I

> don't know why he didn't give results like Venus.

> MAYBE RON'S WIFE CHART HAS THE ANSWER SINCE SHE HAD TO CONCEIVE. AND NOT

HIM.

> I don't know why the rule of lesson 4 on page 23 doesn't apply to this

> problem of childbirth either !

> DOES IT SPECIFICALLY SAY SO? OTHERWISE IT MIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACT

THAT

> NATAL 4TH IS NOT ACTIVATED BY THE BIRTH CHART FOR KIDS WITH B IN SAG.IN

RON'S

> CASE. THE NATAL 2ND LORD SHOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT SINCE D FALLS IN VIRGO,

BUT

> THIS MAY BE ALL WRONG.

> I don't know if we have to switch houses for the second and third child

> because many " basic " rules of astrology become completely worthless when

you

> use this system. So, I cannot answer that question, perhaps when I become

> more proficient and understand more about the real foundation of vedic

> astrology things will become clear automaticly.

>

> Well I hope my answers bring some light and not more confusion. I think

we

> can all learn from each other by the way we look at things so I'm looking

> forewards to more mails only hoping to have enough time to go through

them.

> I AM MOST GRATEFUL, TRULY SO. ON A SEPARATE SUBJECT, WHY IS IT THAT YOUR

> EMAILS COME ON DARK BACKGROUND; IT IS VERY VERY HARD TO READ! AND I LIKE

> READING THEM.

> Best regards

> Christine

>

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> <DIV>Hello Christine and listmembers,</DIV>

> <DIV>I think Krushna's idea was very good to present

> your mail as an exercice.</DIV>

> <DIV>Well, you made quite a job of it Christine

> !</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV>I was getting completely lost in counting all those

> houses one from the other so I went back to the lessons to look for some

> simple clues</DIV>

> <DIV><STRONG>The marriage in Mars'

> sub</STRONG></DIV>

> <DIV>Mars is lord of the 4th</DIV>

> <DIV>According to the table in lesson 4, p.

> 23 : <EM> " In the subperiod of the lord of house 4 or planets residing

> there with more than 4 points, results will be linked to 7th and/or

11th. "

> </EM>So Mars could give marriage because 7th is 4th from 4th.</DIV>

> <DIV>lesson 7, p 33 : " The planets that are aspecting

> the significator houses will NOT come forewards to give the results for

an

> event, BUT Mars is lord of D in E and can bring results</DIV>

> <DIV>What other planets can give the results

> ?</DIV>

> <DIV>Not Saturn because he has not enough

> points</DIV>

> <DIV>Not Venus and Mercury because they are also

> aspecting house B</DIV>

> <DIV>Jupiter cannot help because he has less than 4

> points in house D</DIV>

> <DIV>So this leaves us with Sun and Moon</DIV>

> <DIV>But Mars is natural Samdharmi to both Sun and Moon

> and this is why he could be elected to give the results. Sun and Moon

subs

> being

> a bit early for marriage perhaps ?</DIV>

> <DIV>Of course I don't think I would have found myself

> the date of marriage. It's always easy to find some reasons " afterwards "

to

> justify an event.</DIV>

> <DIV>The Sun was also transiting house A when Ron

> married</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV><STRONG>The separation in Ron's marriage rahu

> sub</STRONG></DIV>

> <DIV>Well, I didn't do the chart for the longevity

> of the marriage. I just switched the chart by taking the 7th house as the

> asc

> for the spouse.</DIV>

> <DIV>I think Jupiter is the culprit because in Ron's

> chart he is the second lord of house " B " and will give troubles, but he

is

> also the 2nd lord of his wife's asc, which means worries and

difficulties.

> So

> Jupiter seems bad for both of them. </DIV>

> <DIV>Rahu is Samdharmi to both Jupiter and Ketu and to

> my meaning the nodes always play some havoc.</DIV>

> <DIV>But of course here again I would have been unable

> to find this troubled period in the future.</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV>As to your questions</DIV>

> <DIV><STRONG>1. about the astrological

> guru</STRONG></DIV>

> <DIV><STRONG> </STRONG>I cannot answer

> that question. We go through life, meet the right people, read the right

> books

> and have the right experiences were we can learn from only when the time

is

> ripe. So I never looked for a guru because all my life I was a bit

allergic

> to " imposed authority " but confident that what has to happen happens

> anyway.</DIV>

> <DIV>This is how things work for me but I'm certainly

> not a reference!</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV><STRONG>2. the house for marriage

> engagement</STRONG></DIV>

> <DIV>I don't know, I should think it has to do something

> with Saturn perhaps ?</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV><STRONG>3. question about taking the 7th as the

> first for the spouse</STRONG></DIV>

> <DIV>Yes I think I would do that if I didn't have the

> chart of the spouse herself. But I must say I have not enough experience

to

> state that's the way to do it.</DIV>

> <DIV>I should nevertheless chose the 12th from a house

> to look at the " ending " So for the spouse that would be the 9th from her

> asc; in

> Ron's chart, it would be the 3th that should indicate the end of his

> spouse's

> job.</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV><STRONG>4. question father's and mother's

> chart.</STRONG></DIV>

> <DIV>Normally the father is the 9th house and the mother

> the 4th. But Krushna says he choses the 3th for the mother because it's

the

> opposite of the 9th. This seems logical to me but I haven't had time to

> explore.

> There are only 24 hours in a day !!</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV>I don't know if Saturn is playing a protective role

> in Ron's marriage. He is also the 12th lord of " B " in " B " ! But I suppose

he

> gives more stability than Moon, Mercury of Mars in his 7th house.</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV><STRONG>Birth of children</STRONG></DIV>

> <DIV>I thought the birth of these 2 children was the

> most easy thing to guess because Jupiter is both the natural and and the

> functional karaka and rahu is in the 5th house and samdharmi to Jupiter

who

> is

> also the strongest planets in the worksheet</DIV>

> <DIV>But Jupiter is aspecting house " A " so somebody else

> (Rahu) has to do the job</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV>As for the 3th child I don't know. I still think

> Jupiter as natural and functional karaka is the one to look at. But as he

is

> excluded, perhaps Venus, who is in the 10th from Jupiter, has good points

> and as

> lord of house D can bring the results.</DIV>

> <DIV>Venus is not throwing aspect on a significator

> house so it can give results. But I think Mercury too could have given

> results,

> his sub came in 1966 and I don't know why he didn't give results like

Venus.

> </DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV>I don't know why the rule of lesson 4 on page 23

> doesn't apply to this problem of childbirth either !</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV>I don't know if we have to switch houses for the

> second and third child because many " basic " rules of astrology become

> completely worthless when you use this system. So, I cannot answer that

> question, perhaps when I become more proficient and understand more about

> the

> real foundation of vedic astrology things will become clear

> automaticly.</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV>Well I hope my answers bring some light and not

> more confusion. I think we can all learn from each other by the way we

look

> at

> things so I'm looking forewards to more mails only hoping to have enough

> time to

> go through them.</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

> <DIV>Best regards</DIV>

> <DIV>Margarita</DIV>

> <DIV> </DIV>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Margarita -

 

 

I didn't know that my mails come on a black background !! I will check that

but has I'm not very computer litterate I'll have to ask. But isn't there

some button swich somewhere where you can change that on your coputer.

Perhaps Donna knows ?

 

 

Are you using Outlook Express for your emails perhaps? Usually when the background comes out grey or even black (my computer registers your mail as a grey background), it indicates to me that you're using some sort of colored background in your email postings which other computers according to their Internet provider, register as a neutral color.

 

And as for not being able to access the files, you must have the higher versions of Excel and Word or you won't be able to get in. Ask one of your friends if they can download a converted lower version for you and see if that works.

 

Donna

[Guest guest]

On outlook express , go to tools ,options, maintenance, trouble shoot and check mail .

 

 

 

Swee

 

-

DQuinn12

Tuesday, December 19, 2000 6:32 PM

Re: exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita

Dear Margarita -

I didn't know that my mails come on a black background !! I will check that but has I'm not very computer litterate I'll have to ask. But isn't there some button swich somewhere where you can change that on your coputer. Perhaps Donna knows ? Are you using Outlook Express for your emails perhaps? Usually when the background comes out grey or even black (my computer registers your mail as a grey background), it indicates to me that you're using some sort of colored background in your email postings which other computers according to their Internet provider, register as a neutral color. And as for not being able to access the files, you must have the higher versions of Excel and Word or you won't be able to get in. Ask one of your friends if they can download a converted lower version for you and see if that works. Donna

[Guest guest]

Donna,

Even the latest version of the worksheet is OK on my old excel 97 so you don't need the latest.

Peter

[Guest guest]

Thanks Donna, I have no problems, it's Christine who receives my mails black but I get everything in the right color and I have no special but a white background

Margarita

 

-

DQuinn12

Tuesday, December 19, 2000 7:32 PM

Re: exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita

Dear Margarita -

I didn't know that my mails come on a black background !! I will check that but has I'm not very computer litterate I'll have to ask. But isn't there some button swich somewhere where you can change that on your coputer. Perhaps Donna knows ? Are you using Outlook Express for your emails perhaps? Usually when the background comes out grey or even black (my computer registers your mail as a grey background), it indicates to me that you're using some sort of colored background in your email postings which other computers according to their Internet provider, register as a neutral color. And as for not being able to access the files, you must have the higher versions of Excel and Word or you won't be able to get in. Ask one of your friends if they can download a converted lower version for you and see if that works. Donna

[Guest guest]

Dear

Margarita,

 

I think

Christine must mean she receives your e-mails with a gray background, as Donna

does and so do I. I’m not sure what you are using for your email client but if

you are using Microsoft Outlook as your email client, you can check to see your

selected background color by going to Format > Background > and there you

will see the “fill” colors.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

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Lettens

[dmlettens]

Wednesday, December 20, 2000

2:00 AM

To:

 

Re:

exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita

 

Thanks

Donna, I have no problems, it's Christine who receives my mails black but I get

everything in the right color and I have no special but a white background

Margarita

 

-----

Original Message -----

 

DQuinn12

 

 

 

Tuesday, December 19,

2000 7:32 PM

Re:

exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita

 

Dear

Margarita -

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't know that my

mails come on a black background !! I will check that

but has I'm not very computer litterate I'll have to ask. But isn't there

some button swich somewhere where you can change that on your coputer.

Perhaps Donna knows ?

 

 

 

 

Are you using Outlook Express for your emails perhaps? Usually when the

background comes out grey or even black (my computer registers your mail as a

grey background), it indicates to me that you're using some sort of colored

background in your email postings which other computers according to their

Internet provider, register as a neutral color.

 

And as for not being able to access the files, you must have the higher

versions of Excel and Word or you won't be able to get in. Ask one of your

friends if they can download a converted lower version for you and see if

that works.

 

Donna

 

 

To

from this group, send an email to:

-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Detective -

 

… Perhaps someone on the List using Outlook Express knows?

 

I don't use the Outlook Express myself, but your background is now a bright cherry yellow, so you must've hit something!

 

Doc

[Guest guest]

Margarita,

I too get all your emails with a black (or at least grey) background. Usually they are easy enough to read.

Peter

[Guest guest]

Sandy,

Which "format" I cannot find a format in Outlook Express or internet explorer.

Peter

[Guest guest]

Dear

Peter,

 

The “Format”

tab is found on the e-mail tool bar only if you are using Microsoft Outlook as

your e-mail client, but I don’t believe it is found in Outlook Express…(I just

clicked on yellow ;-))

 

However there

is another way to access the background colors in Outlook Express… I can’t remember

exactly since it’s been a while since I used Outlook Express - It might be

under Tools > Options > Compose…I’m not sure though. That may only give

you colored stationary though – I’m not sure about background fill… Perhaps

someone on the List using Outlook Express knows?

 

       ~Namaste~

         

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

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Peter Sutcliffe

[petermay]

Wednesday, December 20, 2000

7:24 PM

 

Re:

exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita

 

Sandy,

Which

" format " I cannot find a format in Outlook Express or internet

explorer.

Peter

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hit reply,Format ,Un check Rich HTMLYou'll get your normal plain white background back .( like present )OR FormatBackground ( picture or colour of sound )

 

Good luck

Swee- Sandy Crowther Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:12 AMRE: exercice with Ron's chart-MargaritaDear Peter, The “Format” tab is found on the e-mail tool bar only if you are using Microsoft Outlook as your e-mail client, but I don’t believe it is found in Outlook Express…(I just clicked on yellow ;-)) However there is another way to access the background colors in Outlook Express… I can’t remember exactly since it’s been a while since I used Outlook Express - It might be under Tools > Options > Compose…I’m not sure though. That may only give you colored stationary though – I’m not sure about background fill… Perhaps someone on the List using Outlook Express knows? ~Namaste~ Sandyhttp://www.jupitersweb.com/ Peter Sutcliffe [petermay]Wednesday, December 20, 2000 7:24 PM Subject: Re: exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita Sandy,Which "format" I cannot find a format in Outlook Express or internet explorer.Peter

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sandy,

There doesn't appear to be any way of altering anything bu the font type and size in Outlook Express.

Peter

[Guest guest]

Donna,

I'm not sure what happened. I was initially able to get the arjee corrected version down from the attachment but the very latest version I tried didn't work it only gave me lots of blank squares instead of the worksheet. I am not really worried as I have the Master worksheet 1.2 which works a treat. I tend to have a glance at each different one as it comes down just to see if there are any differences. The main problem is that with each extra one that Sanjay sends out you tend to loose track of which is which. Fortunately the ones you put in the files are always numered sequentially and in any case as far as I can see when you replace anything you remove the orevious version.

One query I have is that in view of Krushna's comments (re "D" and "E" lords ie if they have only 1 bindu then they should give 7 points to the total for line 17 ) the latest version is incorrect as it is programmed to give only 5 points for any "D" or "E" lord. I think that was what hesaid but I may have got it slightly wrong. Anyway I think you know what I mean.

The problem is of course that we cannot alter it in our worksheet because it is all locked and unable to be altered.

Peter

Namaste

[Guest guest]

Dear Peter

and List Members,

 

You wrote:

 

“One query I have is that in view of

Krushna's comments (re " D " and " E " lords ie if they

have only 1 bindu then they should give 7 points to the total for line 17

) the latest version is incorrect as it is programmed to give only

5 points for any " D " or " E " lord. I think that was

what hesaid but I may have got it slightly wrong. Anyway I think you know what

I mean”

 

The only difference in Sanjay’s corrected Worksheet

and the version that Donna just put out, is that we now have more accurate

(exact) information for line 8b.

 

What Krushna said was that the planets in D

or E with more than 4 points (line 7b) will get the same number of points they

have, rather than the automatic 5 (line 8b.) So the points for the Lords of D

and E remain the same - an automatic and constant 5 points, BUT the planets posited

in houses D or E with more than 4 points receive the same number of bindus as

they naturally have – So the difference in the calculation on the Worksheet is

found in line 8b. So with Sanjay’s corrected Worksheet, if two planets are

running very close in points, this could be the determining factor of which

planet leads the pack. ;-))

 

So for those who don’t like the “locked

cells” on Sanjay’s corrected sheet, ;-)), you could always just use Donna’s

latest Worksheet version, and then run a quick “eyeball” check over Sanjay’s

corrected version for lines 7b and 8b, to determine value “differences”, which

could be up to 3 points, and pencil in your corrections. Both Sanjay and Donna

have been a great help to us in our calculating processes…NOW we all just have

to be sure we have Krushna’s “principles” correctly understood. ;-))

 

       ~Namaste~

         

Sandy

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

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Message-----

Peter Sutcliffe

[petermay]

Thursday, December 21, 2000

7:40 PM

 

Re:

exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita

 

Donna,

I'm not sure

what happened. I was initially able to get the arjee corrected version down

from the attachment but the very latest version I tried didn't work it only

gave me lots of blank squares instead of the worksheet. I am not really worried

as I have the Master worksheet 1.2 which works a treat. I tend to have a glance

at each different one as it comes down just to see if there are any

differences. The main problem is that with each extra one that Sanjay sends out

you tend to loose track of which is which. Fortunately the ones you put in the

files are always numered sequentially and in any case as far as I can see when

you replace anything you remove the orevious version.

One query I

have is that in view of Krushna's comments (re " D " and

" E " lords ie if they have only 1 bindu then they should give 7 points

to the total for line 17 ) the latest version is incorrect as it is

programmed to give only 5 points for any " D " or " E "

lord. I think that was what hesaid but I may have got it slightly wrong.

Anyway I think you know what I mean.

The problem

is of course that we cannot alter it in our worksheet because it is all locked

and unable to be altered.

Peter

Namaste

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Swee for the trouble. Yes I can now sent mails with a white background but somehow I cannot uncheck rich HTML (a dot that cannot be unchecked)and if I chose format and color I have to do this again every time for each new mail because all turns grey again.

I also tired through tools compose and stationery were I created a new white one but apparently this only works once even if I "apply".

Thanks for the trouble explaining me but as my computer is still not working properly (I had it cleaned out completely because of a virus and then my a/drive failed) I will wait for more favorable moments (everything I touch for the moment seems to break down)and then perhaps everything will be OK without me knowing why

Best regards

Margarita

 

-

Swee Chan

Thursday, December 21, 2000 2:12 PM

Re: exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita

 

Hit reply,Format ,Un check Rich HTMLYou'll get your normal plain white background back .( like present )OR FormatBackground ( picture or colour of sound )

 

Good luck

Swee- Sandy Crowther Thursday, December 21, 2000 1:12 AMRE: exercice with Ron's chart-MargaritaDear Peter, The “Format” tab is found on the e-mail tool bar only if you are using Microsoft Outlook as your e-mail client, but I don’t believe it is found in Outlook Express…(I just clicked on yellow ;-)) However there is another way to access the background colors in Outlook Express… I can’t remember exactly since it’s been a while since I used Outlook Express - It might be under Tools > Options > Compose…I’m not sure though. That may only give you colored stationary though – I’m not sure about background fill… Perhaps someone on the List using Outlook Express knows? ~Namaste~ Sandyhttp://www.jupitersweb.com/ Peter Sutcliffe [petermay]Wednesday, December 20, 2000 7:24 PM Subject: Re: exercice with Ron's chart-Margarita Sandy,Which "format" I cannot find a format in Outlook Express or internet explorer.Peter