Complete study of a chart cont-Krushna

December 23, 2000

Dear Krushna

Re: Complaint served on Ron

I have Questions regarding your discussion of the complaint received by Ron

and Venus's low points in the 8th hse. [before I get lost learning how to

compute points, I have to fully understand the analytical methodology and

principles, for prognosis purposes.] Sorry to be dense and thank you for your

patience.

In the case of the complaint during Venus sub, I understand that Venus is

functional Karaka for the 8th hse, sits in hse E of the 8th hse chart and

throws no disqualifying aspects. Is it eager to give the results of the 8th

hse

1. because it is functional karak? OR

2. because it sits in hse E of the 8th hse chart? OR

3. merely because it has less than 12 pts in B of the 8th chart? EVEN THOUGH

both Moon and Saturn have lower points and are not throwing disqualifying

aspects?

4. notwithstanding the fact that it is NOT the lord of B in the 8 hse chart?

Can we say that:

It is giving the bad results of the 8th hse because of the low point count

BUT

It would have given good results of the 8th hse had the points been high to

highest.

In other words is the functional karak of the 8th hse the significator for

both the good and bad significations of the 8th hse? Low count promoting the

bad and high count promoting the good?

Could it be said that Venus was qualified to give the results of the 6th hse

because of its very high count there " promoting " the bad significations of

the 6th hse? OR

Should it be said that Venus' very high count in the 6th hse protects Ron

against disease being seriously bad , or against ennemies, i.e. complaint

dismissed.

If I had wanted to evaluate in advance of the event, the types of NEGATIVE

events that might occur during the Venus sub, looking for the pin in the

haystack, could I have proceeded as follows:

Step1. Asc is Leo, Venus is lord of 3rd and 10th hses, located in Leo in

the first house.

Step 2. Determine the functional significations of Venus as karyesh for Leo

asc.

[He is lord of A in the 3rd hse chart and in the 8th hse chart. Is it

relevant that he sits in hse A of 6th hse chart? ]

[This fits with Parashara's teaching that Venus is a functional malefic for

Leo, asc! Although it must be coincidence since Mercury should be also and

does not seem so bad in your system.]

Step 3. I then determine the hses for which Venus, as lord of 3rd and 10th

hses

for Leo asc., gives results.

a] as lord of the 3rd hse [b in 3rd hse chart], Venus gives the results of

the 6th and 10th hses from the asc.

b] as lord of the 10th hse [b in 10th hse chart], Venus gives the results of

the 1st and 5th hses from the asc.

c] above is reinforced by the fact that Venus is located in hse B of

the 1st hse chart, which could give 8th hse results, but for the fact that

Venus has only 4 pts in Leo and needed 5 for the rule to apply.

Step 4. Since there are enough indications of potential difficulties, I look

further

at Venus in the 3rd hse chart, 6th hse chart, 8th hse chart and 1st hse chart:

a] Venus throws a disqualifying glance on C in 3rd hse chart, so will not

give 6th hse effects in that chart.

b] Venus in the 6th hse chart: He is lord of hse D [ 2nd strongest upachaya]

[As well as C-but I don't know what that means.] He does not aspect hses

A,B,C, but it would not matter if he did because he is lord of D. He has 36

pts in hse B of the 6th hse chart [Capricorn], very high and 2nd highest

after Jupiter. Jupiter is disqualified because he aspects C of the 6th hse

chart. Saturn, his samdharmi, has more than 12 pts in Capricorn, but is

disqualified because he aspects A of the 6th hse chart.

b] Venus in the 8th hse chart: He sits in hse E and does not aspect A,B or C.

He has only 11 pts in hse B of the 8th hse chart [pisces], 3rd lowest after

Moon

[8pts] and Saturn [10 pts].

We go back full circle to my question: does VENUS promote disease because of

his high count in the 6th hse chart or his low count in the 8th?

c] Venus in the 1st house chart: He sits in B and is lord of D. He does not

throw a disqualifying glance. He has 36 pts in B in the 1st hse chart, the

highest number of points. THIS emphasis on the 1st would not necessarily

indicate illness. Could it indicate resistance against illness?

Many thanks and regards

Christine

DEAR CHRITINE,

MY COMMENTS ARE IN CAPITALS

KRUSHNA

>XINEFOURNI

>

>Re: Krushna-Solution to exercise (

with

>theory)

>Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:25:57 EST

>

>Dear Krushna and list members

>

>To test my understanding of the system, using Krushna's table of numerical

>strength in Ron's chart [trying at this point to understand principles not

>numbers]:

>

>Birth of 1st and 2nd children in Rahu sub in Sag = Jup

>I look for B in 5th hse

>Jupiter in 5th has 40 pts (SEE MERCURY IS ALSO HAVING 24 POINTS LORD OF

>'D')

>Jupiter aspects A but it's irrelevant because this is Rahu's period.

>Rahu does NOT cast aspects. If he did then he would be disqualified (NOT

>DISQUALIFIED BUT SUCH PLANET DONOT GIVE RESULT ON ITS OWN ACCORD, BUT GET

>THE RESULT BY SOME SAMDHARMI, HERE RAHU IS SAMDHARMI TO JUPITER AND ALSO

>FOR MERCURY) WE DO NOT CONSIDER THE ASPECT OF RAHU.

because

>of his 5th aspect on C.

>If these statements are correct, then Rahu is good for birth of children,

>if

>not, I am missing the proper explanation RAHU CAN REPRESENT jUPITER AND

>MERCURY. SO CONCEPTION IS SUCH PERIOD IS POSSIBLE.

>

>Birth of 2nd child in Venus sub ( IT IS FOR 3RD CHILD, SECOND SON )

>I look for B in the 5th hse

>Venus in 5th has 40 pts CORRECT

>Venus does NOT aspect A, B or C

>Venus sub gave a child CORRECT

>

>Eleventh house represents cash flow/income

>There might be an adverse impact on cash flow during the sub of a planet

>with

>12 or less points in the 4th hse [6th from 11th=debts, problems in

>general]THIS IS INVESTMENT NOT DEBTS

>or in the 6th hse [8th from 11th=similar, but worse & interruptionn in

>earnings] or in the 10th hse [12th from 11th=excessive expenditures, loss

>of

>cash flow]. SIXTH IS KARAK FOR 11TH HOUSE. IT IS SERVICE OR WORK DONE GETS

>ENCASHED.

>

>-4TH AS B as it relates to 11th= All planets have more than 12 pts. The

>worse

>3 are moon [14], mars [17] and saturn [18]. Moon sits in A hse, but since

>it's not an aspect, it is not disqualified. Mars is not disqualified, and

>as

>lord of E is eager to act. Saturn aspects the B hse, so he is disqualified.

>So, this Moon and then Mars are the worse and not that bad with 14 and 17

>pts, respectively, meaning there will be little debt incurrence and

>related

>cash flow problems, even during their subs?

>

>-6TH AS B as it relates to 11th= All planets have more than 12 pts., except

>for Sun with 9 pts The worse 3 are Sun and then moon [18] and saturn [18].

>Sun is disqualified as he aspecs the B hse. Saturn is disqualified as it

>aspects the A hse . Moon is not disqualified and eager to act because it

>sits

>in the E hse, but since it has 18 pts, it would NOT indicate serious money

>problems during his subs although a drop in income might be expected

>anyway,

>moon having only 12 pts in the 11th hse.

>

>-10TH AS B as it relates to 11th= Saturn has 8pts, Moon has 9pts, Sun has

>14pts and Mars has 15pts. Moon aspects A and is disqualified, none of the

>others is disqualified and Saturn is eager to act as lord of D in D. So

>cash

>flow problems could be expected, all due to expenses being greater than

>income, most particularly during saturn subs, and even more so because it

>has

>only 13 pts in the 11th hse?

>However, Mars would never be problematic during his subs income-wise

>because

>he has 33pts in the 11th hse, far in excess of his 15pts in hse 10.

>

>Would it be appropriate to compare a weak sub in the 11th hse to the same

>sub

>in the 10th or 6th hse to see whether a drop in earnings can be expected?

>YOUR THINKING IS ON CORRECT PATH. SATURN BEING LESS POINTS FOR 10TH WILL

>INDICATE CHANGE OF JOB, LEAVING THE JOB, SITTING IDEAL WITH OUT ANY JOB,

>(IT WILL ACT CONTRA TO JUPITER)

>

>PLEASE, tell me if the reasoning is sound so far, before I go on this path.

>ALSO, I have a feeling from your explanations in " solution to exercise " ,

>that

>Sanjay's answers in the exercise may not be 100% correct in non-longevity

>cases. So, please, could you review his and Margarita's exercises and my

>questions re same when you have a chance. I WILL READ THEIR FINDINGS AND

>THEN COMMENTS

>

>Regards and many thanks for this truly exciting view of jyotish you are

>offering your students.

>Christine

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December 23, 2000

Dear Krushna

Sorry to keep you up so late, but this is very very helpful; don't forget to

continue as promised. I will not ask questions till you have completed your

explanation, to avoid creating more confusion.

With best regards

Christine

Dear Christine,

Meaning/Definitions:

Functional Karak: The karkatva of a house, is based on a planet ( which is

8th lord from the house) The planet is known as karak planet. The karkatva

is based on the properties of the planet, it's status, its overall power,

effect of other planets, and samdharmi.

Significator: The power of every planet (in row 17 of the worksheet) denotes

the sterngth of the planet for giving the result of that house. The planet

gives results in its sub, for all the houses, as per the points it gets. (

Venus here can give good results for 1st, 5th, 6th, and 10 house. medium for

2nd 3rd, 7th, 9th, 11th and 12th. and some what bad for 8th, and being

samdharmi to Mercury bad for 7th house.)

Lord of D and E: these planets are eager to give the result denoted by house

B, When they get the chance to give the result, The result may be on both

side but generally it is on positive side.

The sight of the planet: If any planet have sight on any house A,B,or C, It

avoides to give the good results in its Sub period, perticularly, but the

result can be given through some samdharmi planet. If it is lord of house D

or E, it can give the result. It do not mean it will spoil the result.

Please note that the planet which having aspect on any house, it gives the

good result of that house as per the points but in the sub period of some

samdharmi planet. For bad result the effect of sight is not tobe considered.

The mercury is having 7 pionts for 7th house, it is having sight on 7th

house, but it can give bad results such as theft, break in partenership,

Operation etc related with 7th house.

For finding the overall effect of life and date of the event, First thing we

must find the strength of each planet,for each house. Tabulate that as I

have done in my mail under ( theory). Now Transit of sun is a important

thing. In Venus sub period when Sun is transiting from the constellation of

Venus, means something bad related to 8th house. At the same time we must

consider the effect of other planets

I will give remaining portion tomarrow, it is 1:30 Am now

krushna

>XINEFOURNI

>

>Re: Complete study of a chart

>cont-Krushna

>Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:15:59 EST

>

>Dear Krushna

>

>Re: Complaint served on Ron

>I have Questions regarding your discussion of the complaint received by

>Ron

>and Venus's low points in the 8th hse. [before I get lost learning how to

>compute points, I have to fully understand the analytical methodology and

>principles, for prognosis purposes.] Sorry to be dense and thank you for

>your

>patience.

>

>In the case of the complaint during Venus sub, I understand that Venus is

>functional Karaka for the 8th hse, sits in hse E of the 8th hse chart and

>throws no disqualifying aspects. Is it eager to give the results of the 8th

>hse

>1. because it is functional karak? OR

>2. because it sits in hse E of the 8th hse chart? OR

>3. merely because it has less than 12 pts in B of the 8th chart? EVEN

>THOUGH

>both Moon and Saturn have lower points and are not throwing disqualifying

>aspects?

>4. notwithstanding the fact that it is NOT the lord of B in the 8 hse

>chart?

>

>Can we say that:

>It is giving the bad results of the 8th hse because of the low point count

>BUT

>It would have given good results of the 8th hse had the points been high to

>highest.

>In other words is the functional karak of the 8th hse the significator for

>both the good and bad significations of the 8th hse? Low count promoting

>the

>bad and high count promoting the good?

>

>Could it be said that Venus was qualified to give the results of the 6th

>hse

>because of its very high count there " promoting " the bad significations of

>the 6th hse? OR

>Should it be said that Venus' very high count in the 6th hse protects Ron

>against disease being seriously bad , or against ennemies, i.e. complaint

>dismissed.

>

>If I had wanted to evaluate in advance of the event, the types of NEGATIVE

>events that might occur during the Venus sub, looking for the pin in the

>haystack, could I have proceeded as follows:

>

>Step1. Asc is Leo, Venus is lord of 3rd and 10th hses, located in Leo in

>the first house.

>

>Step 2. Determine the functional significations of Venus as karyesh for Leo

>asc.

>[He is lord of A in the 3rd hse chart and in the 8th hse chart. Is it

>relevant that he sits in hse A of 6th hse chart? ]

>[This fits with Parashara's teaching that Venus is a functional malefic for

>Leo, asc! Although it must be coincidence since Mercury should be also and

>does not seem so bad in your system.]

>

>Step 3. I then determine the hses for which Venus, as lord of 3rd and 10th

>hses

>for Leo asc., gives results.

>a] as lord of the 3rd hse [b in 3rd hse chart], Venus gives the results of

>the 6th and 10th hses from the asc.

>b] as lord of the 10th hse [b in 10th hse chart], Venus gives the results

>of

>the 1st and 5th hses from the asc.

>c] above is reinforced by the fact that Venus is located in hse B of

>the 1st hse chart, which could give 8th hse results, but for the fact that

>Venus has only 4 pts in Leo and needed 5 for the rule to apply.

>

>Step 4. Since there are enough indications of potential difficulties, I

>look

>further

>at Venus in the 3rd hse chart, 6th hse chart, 8th hse chart and 1st hse

>chart:

>a] Venus throws a disqualifying glance on C in 3rd hse chart, so will not

>give 6th hse effects in that chart.

>b] Venus in the 6th hse chart: He is lord of hse D [ 2nd strongest

>upachaya]

>[As well as C-but I don't know what that means.] He does not aspect hses

>A,B,C, but it would not matter if he did because he is lord of D. He has 36

>pts in hse B of the 6th hse chart [Capricorn], very high and 2nd highest

>after Jupiter. Jupiter is disqualified because he aspects C of the 6th hse

>chart. Saturn, his samdharmi, has more than 12 pts in Capricorn, but is

>disqualified because he aspects A of the 6th hse chart.

>

>b] Venus in the 8th hse chart: He sits in hse E and does not aspect A,B or

>C.

>He has only 11 pts in hse B of the 8th hse chart [pisces], 3rd lowest after

>Moon

>[8pts] and Saturn [10 pts].

>

>We go back full circle to my question: does VENUS promote disease because

>of

>his high count in the 6th hse chart or his low count in the 8th?

>

>c] Venus in the 1st house chart: He sits in B and is lord of D. He does not

>throw a disqualifying glance. He has 36 pts in B in the 1st hse chart, the

>highest number of points. THIS emphasis on the 1st would not necessarily

>indicate illness. Could it indicate resistance against illness?

>

>Many thanks and regards

>Christine

>

> DEAR CHRITINE,

> MY COMMENTS ARE IN CAPITALS

> KRUSHNA

>

> >XINEFOURNI

> >

> >Re: Krushna-Solution to exercise (

>with

> >theory)

> >Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:25:57 EST

> >

> >Dear Krushna and list members

> >

> >To test my understanding of the system, using Krushna's table of

>numerical

> >strength in Ron's chart [trying at this point to understand principles

>not

> >numbers]:

> >

> >Birth of 1st and 2nd children in Rahu sub in Sag = Jup

> >I look for B in 5th hse

> >Jupiter in 5th has 40 pts (SEE MERCURY IS ALSO HAVING 24 POINTS LORD

>OF

> >'D')

> >Jupiter aspects A but it's irrelevant because this is Rahu's period.

> >Rahu does NOT cast aspects. If he did then he would be disqualified

>(NOT

> >DISQUALIFIED BUT SUCH PLANET DONOT GIVE RESULT ON ITS OWN ACCORD, BUT

>GET

> >THE RESULT BY SOME SAMDHARMI, HERE RAHU IS SAMDHARMI TO JUPITER AND

>ALSO

> >FOR MERCURY) WE DO NOT CONSIDER THE ASPECT OF RAHU.

> because

> >of his 5th aspect on C.

> >If these statements are correct, then Rahu is good for birth of

>children,

> >if

> >not, I am missing the proper explanation RAHU CAN REPRESENT jUPITER AND

> >MERCURY. SO CONCEPTION IS SUCH PERIOD IS POSSIBLE.

> >

> >Birth of 2nd child in Venus sub ( IT IS FOR 3RD CHILD, SECOND SON )

> >I look for B in the 5th hse

> >Venus in 5th has 40 pts CORRECT

> >Venus does NOT aspect A, B or C

> >Venus sub gave a child CORRECT

> >

> >Eleventh house represents cash flow/income

> >There might be an adverse impact on cash flow during the sub of a

>planet

> >with

> >12 or less points in the 4th hse [6th from 11th=debts, problems in

> >general]THIS IS INVESTMENT NOT DEBTS

> >or in the 6th hse [8th from 11th=similar, but worse & interruptionn in

> >earnings] or in the 10th hse [12th from 11th=excessive expenditures,

>loss

> >of

> >cash flow]. SIXTH IS KARAK FOR 11TH HOUSE. IT IS SERVICE OR WORK DONE

>GETS

> >ENCASHED.

> >

> >-4TH AS B as it relates to 11th= All planets have more than 12 pts. The

> >worse

> >3 are moon [14], mars [17] and saturn [18]. Moon sits in A hse, but

>since

> >it's not an aspect, it is not disqualified. Mars is not disqualified,

>and

> >as

> >lord of E is eager to act. Saturn aspects the B hse, so he is

>disqualified.

> >So, this Moon and then Mars are the worse and not that bad with 14 and

>17

> >pts, respectively, meaning there will be little debt incurrence and

> >related

> >cash flow problems, even during their subs?

> >

> >-6TH AS B as it relates to 11th= All planets have more than 12 pts.,

>except

> >for Sun with 9 pts The worse 3 are Sun and then moon [18] and saturn

>[18].

> >Sun is disqualified as he aspecs the B hse. Saturn is disqualified as

>it

> >aspects the A hse . Moon is not disqualified and eager to act because

>it

> >sits

> >in the E hse, but since it has 18 pts, it would NOT indicate serious

>money

> >problems during his subs although a drop in income might be expected

> >anyway,

> >moon having only 12 pts in the 11th hse.

> >

> >-10TH AS B as it relates to 11th= Saturn has 8pts, Moon has 9pts, Sun

>has

> >14pts and Mars has 15pts. Moon aspects A and is disqualified, none of

>the

> >others is disqualified and Saturn is eager to act as lord of D in D. So

> >cash

> >flow problems could be expected, all due to expenses being greater than

> >income, most particularly during saturn subs, and even more so because

>it

> >has

> >only 13 pts in the 11th hse?

> >However, Mars would never be problematic during his subs income-wise

> >because

> >he has 33pts in the 11th hse, far in excess of his 15pts in hse 10.

> >

> >Would it be appropriate to compare a weak sub in the 11th hse to the

>same

> >sub

> >in the 10th or 6th hse to see whether a drop in earnings can be

>expected?

> >YOUR THINKING IS ON CORRECT PATH. SATURN BEING LESS POINTS FOR 10TH

>WILL

> >INDICATE CHANGE OF JOB, LEAVING THE JOB, SITTING IDEAL WITH OUT ANY

>JOB,

> >(IT WILL ACT CONTRA TO JUPITER)

> >

> >PLEASE, tell me if the reasoning is sound so far, before I go on this

>path.

> >ALSO, I have a feeling from your explanations in " solution to

>exercise " ,

> >that

> >Sanjay's answers in the exercise may not be 100% correct in

>non-longevity

> >cases. So, please, could you review his and Margarita's exercises and

>my

> >questions re same when you have a chance. I WILL READ THEIR FINDINGS

>AND

> >THEN COMMENTS

> >

> >Regards and many thanks for this truly exciting view of jyotish you are

> >offering your students.

> >Christine

>

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December 23, 2000