Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Jupiter is the natural karak of 2nd house. However, for Pisces ascendant, it is also the lord of the 12th house. How should such a Jupiter be interpreted? Kind regards Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 Dear Sanjay, Functional karak are more stronger then natural karak. For pices ascendent, Jupiter being lord of Lagna, definitely give adverse result of sight, when finding significating points of the planets, Of course it should be with less points. krushna. > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > Jupiter as 12th lord >Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:21:18 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Jupiter is the natural karak of 2nd house. However, for Pisces ascendant, >it >is also the lord of the 12th house. How should such a Jupiter be >interpreted? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2001 Report Share Posted January 4, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for the reply. So the fact of its being the 12th lord for 2nd house matters negate Jupiter's karaktva? I have some more questions which arise as I am running through some charts and seeing the points for the houses. 1. Suppose a planet is the strongest significator for a house. What happens when it is also lord of the 12? 1a. Does it give the result but it turns bad later? Or the result is always with some problems? 1b. If this planet also aspects B and the lord of B or of A or of C, is the bad result then more predominant? 2. What happens if the 6th house have several weak planets and problematic 12th house aspects. But at the same time, the 10th house has all strong planets and no problematic aspects? How do we interpret this in relation to a person's career. 3. You had mentioned earlier that increasing points for DBCE in the 11th house lead to losses later. Could you please explain why? Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:35 PM Re: Jupiter as 12th lord Dear Sanjay, Functional karak are more stronger then natural karak. For pices ascendent, Jupiter being lord of Lagna, definitely give adverse result of sight, when finding significating points of the planets, Of course it should be with less points. krushna. > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > Jupiter as 12th lord >Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:21:18 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Jupiter is the natural karak of 2nd house. However, for Pisces ascendant, >it >is also the lord of the 12th house. How should such a Jupiter be >interpreted? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2001 Report Share Posted January 5, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, I would request your reply. Kind regards Sanjay Jaggia - " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:26 PM Re: Jupiter as 12th lord Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for the reply. So the fact of its being the 12th lord for 2nd house matters negate Jupiter's karaktva? I have some more questions which arise as I am running through some charts and seeing the points for the houses. 1. Suppose a planet is the strongest significator for a house. What happens when it is also lord of the 12? 1a. Does it give the result but it turns bad later? Or the result is always with some problems? 1b. If this planet also aspects B and the lord of B or of A or of C, is the bad result then more predominant? 2. What happens if the 6th house have several weak planets and problematic 12th house aspects. But at the same time, the 10th house has all strong planets and no problematic aspects? How do we interpret this in relation to a person's career. 3. You had mentioned earlier that increasing points for DBCE in the 11th house lead to losses later. Could you please explain why? Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Thursday, January 04, 2001 6:35 PM Re: Jupiter as 12th lord Dear Sanjay, Functional karak are more stronger then natural karak. For pices ascendent, Jupiter being lord of Lagna, definitely give adverse result of sight, when finding significating points of the planets, Of course it should be with less points. krushna. > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > Jupiter as 12th lord >Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:21:18 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Jupiter is the natural karak of 2nd house. However, for Pisces ascendant, >it >is also the lord of the 12th house. How should such a Jupiter be >interpreted? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2001 Report Share Posted January 6, 2001 Dear Sanjay, Answers are in Capital. > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you for the reply. So the fact of its being the 12th lord for 2nd >house matters negate Jupiter's karaktva? > >I have some more questions which arise as I am running through some charts >and seeing the points for the houses. > >1. Suppose a planet is the strongest significator for a house. What happens >when it is also lord of the 12? > > 1a. Does it give the result but it turns bad later? Or the result >is >always with some problems? > > 1b. If this planet also aspects B and the lord of B or of A or >of >C, is the bad result then more predominant? iF THE SIGNIFICATOR HAVE ANY >RELATION WITH 12TH LORD, IT WILL GIVE BAD RESULT, RELATIONS MEANS INCREASE >IN POINTS DUE TO SIGHT, 12TH LORD BEING IN TENTH PLACE FROM ANY OTHER >PLANET/S, AND GAINING POINTS, OR IT IS IN 4TH PLACE FROM ANY PLANET, EVEN >IF THE PLANET IN 10TH ARE LORD OF 'D'OR 'E', EFFECT OF SIGHT ON ANY HOUSE, >FROM HOUSE 'A'( FROM WHICH IT IS 5TH LORD OR LORD OF A AND 12TH FROM B ARE >LORDS HAVING 9/5 RELATION SHIP), IT WILL GIVE BAD RESULT. tHIS IS ALREADY >GIVEN IN TEXT. > >2. What happens if the 6th house have several weak planets and problematic >12th house aspects. But at the same time, the 10th house has all strong >planets and no problematic aspects? How do we interpret this in relation to >a person's career. WEAK MEANS I TAKE WITH LESS POINTS, SO THEIR SIGHT ON >12TH WILL BE BENEFIC. ( MARS , SATURN ARE GENBERALLY BENEFIC IN 6TH HOUSE) >THE PERSON WILL HAVE GOOD RELATION, MORE CONTACTS IN FOREIGN LAND. NOW >BENEFIC PLANETS IN 10TH HOUSE, MEANS PLANETS WITH MORE POINTS WILL HAVE >MALEFIC SIGHT ON 4TH, SO GIVING GOOD RESULT FOR 10TH HOUSE AT THE COST OF >FAMILY LIFE. JUPITER PERTICULARLY IN 10TH HOUSE, WILL HAVE MALEFIC SIGHT ON >6TH, SO THE POINTS INCREASED IN 10TH ARE REDUCED DUE TO SIGHT ON 6TH ( AS >B) > >3. You had mentioned earlier that increasing points for DBCE in the 11th >house lead to losses later. Could you please explain why? >YOU MEAN 8TH, 11TH, 3RD, AND 4TH HOUSE AS DBCE, NO, IF THIS IS THE MEANING >OF MY WRITING THEN SOME THING WRONG IN MY TYPING, OR SENTENCE. (TWO >SENTENCES MIGHT HAVE MIXED UP). yES, IT MAY BE FOR 7TH HOUSE D 4TH, B 7TH, >C 11TH AND E AS 12. IN THIS CASE THE MARITAL LIFE WILL BE HAPPY, BUT GIVES >MORE EXPENDITURE THEN INCOME, FOR PLEASEING WIFE. WILL RESULT IN SOME >MISERABLE LIFE LATER ON. KRUSHNA >Kind regards >Sanjay > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for the reply. I am still a little unclear. Could you please clarify some points again: You wrote: IF THE SIGNIFICATOR HAVE ANY RELATION WITH 12TH LORD, IT WILL GIVE BAD RESULT, RELATIONS MEANS INCREASE IN POINTS DUE TO SIGHT, 12TH LORD BEING IN TENTH PLACE FROM ANY OTHER PLANET/S, AND GAINING POINTS, OR IT IS IN 4TH PLACE FROM ANY PLANET, EVEN IF THE PLANET IN 10TH ARE LORD OF 'D'OR 'E', EFFECT OF SIGHT ON ANY HOUSE, FROM HOUSE 'A'( FROM WHICH IT IS 5TH LORD OR LORD OF A AND 12TH FROM B ARE LORDS HAVING 9/5 RELATION SHIP), IT WILL GIVE BAD RESULT. tHIS IS ALREADY GIVEN IN TEXT. - My question - if the lord of the house 12th from B is the strongest significator, what would it mean? I have a chart in which Mercury is the strongest significator for the 2nd house. It is not getting or giving any aspects or 4/10 points. Would it then give the result but the result would always be bad? You wrote in response to my question " What happens if the 6th house have several weak planets and problematic12th house aspects. But at the same time, the 10th house has all strong planets and no problematic aspects? How do we interpret this in relation to a person's career. " WEAK MEANS I TAKE WITH LESS POINTS, SO THEIR SIGHT ON 12TH WILL BE BENEFIC. ( MARS , SATURN ARE GENBERALLY BENEFIC IN 6TH HOUSE) THE PERSON WILL HAVE GOOD RELATION, MORE CONTACTS IN FOREIGN LAND. NOW BENEFIC PLANETS IN 10TH HOUSE, MEANS PLANETS WITH MORE POINTS WILL HAVE MALEFIC SIGHT ON 4TH, SO GIVING GOOD RESULT FOR 10TH HOUSE AT THE COST OF FAMILY LIFE. JUPITER PERTICULARLY IN 10TH HOUSE, WILL HAVE MALEFIC SIGHT ON 6TH, SO THE POINTS INCREASED IN 10TH ARE REDUCED DUE TO SIGHT ON 6TH ( AS B). - I think I did not clarify my question. When I say weak, I mean getting less than 12 points in the worksheet. I was not talking about the points in their AV. By problematic 12th house aspects, I mean that they have an aspect of the 12th lord or some other relationship with the lord of 12th from B. Could you please check my question in this light and advise? You wrote: " YOU MEAN 8TH, 11TH, 3RD, AND 4TH HOUSE AS DBCE, NO, IF THIS IS THE MEANING OF MY WRITING THEN SOME THING WRONG IN MY TYPING, OR SENTENCE. (TWO SENTENCES MIGHT HAVE MIXED UP). yES, IT MAY BE FOR 7TH HOUSE D 4TH, B 7TH, C 11TH AND E AS 12. IN THIS CASE THE MARITAL LIFE WILL BE HAPPY, BUT GIVES MORE EXPENDITURE THEN INCOME, FOR PLEASEING WIFE. WILL RESULT IN SOME MISERABLE LIFE LATER ON. - I understand about the 7th house. Could you also explain what would be the significance if DBCE (8,11,3,and 4) have increasing points? Does this mean that the income and the friends of the person will increase in time, and that his desires will be fulfilled as time progresses? Kind regards Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 Dear Sanjay, answers are below your qu. > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:19:31 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you for the reply. I am still a little unclear. Could you please >clarify some points again: > >You wrote: >IF THE SIGNIFICATOR HAVE ANY RELATION WITH 12TH LORD, IT WILL GIVE BAD >RESULT, RELATIONS MEANS INCREASE IN POINTS DUE TO SIGHT, 12TH LORD BEING IN >TENTH PLACE FROM ANY OTHER PLANET/S, AND GAINING POINTS, OR IT IS IN 4TH >PLACE FROM ANY PLANET, EVEN IF THE PLANET IN 10TH ARE LORD OF 'D'OR 'E', >EFFECT OF SIGHT ON ANY HOUSE, FROM HOUSE 'A'( FROM WHICH IT IS 5TH LORD OR >LORD OF A AND 12TH FROM B ARE LORDS HAVING 9/5 RELATION SHIP), IT WILL GIVE >BAD RESULT. tHIS IS ALREADY GIVEN IN TEXT. > >- My question - if the lord of the house 12th from B is the strongest >significator, what would it mean? I have a chart in which Mercury is the >strongest significator for the 2nd house. It is not getting or giving any >aspects or 4/10 points. Would it then give the result but the result would >always be bad? If any planet being 12th lord from 'B', and also strogest >significator for 'B', it will not give favorable result for house 'B', >perticularly in the it's sub. In above case you said that mercury is the >strongest significator of 2nd house, and is lord of ascendent, Then it will >not give good result for the matters indicated by 2nd house, but at the >same time it will give favourable results for the results indicated by 4th >house, 8th house, 7th house, 11th house, and also for the house for which >it is strong significator, except 2nd and 5th house. > >You wrote in response to my question " What happens if the 6th house have >several weak planets and problematic12th house aspects. But at the same >time, the 10th house has all strong planets and no problematic aspects? How >do we interpret this in relation to a person's career. " If you go with the system approch, this will be cleared. Weak planets in sixth house, means benefic for 12th house, So the person will have good contacts in socity, with the same if strong planets in 10th means Good personality, ( Considering 1st as 'B', 10th house is 'D', and planets in 10th with more then 4 points gets extra points,) This will increase in the personality of the person. Will also get good children in the sub of those planets( subject to condition if other things favor). Automatically He will do much better in his career, but less happiness from family. > > WEAK MEANS I TAKE WITH LESS POINTS, SO THEIR SIGHT ON 12TH WILL BE >BENEFIC. >( MARS , SATURN ARE GENBERALLY BENEFIC IN 6TH HOUSE) THE PERSON WILL HAVE >GOOD RELATION, MORE CONTACTS IN FOREIGN LAND. NOW BENEFIC PLANETS IN 10TH >HOUSE, MEANS PLANETS WITH MORE POINTS WILL HAVE MALEFIC SIGHT ON 4TH, SO >GIVING GOOD RESULT FOR 10TH HOUSE AT THE COST OF FAMILY LIFE. JUPITER >PERTICULARLY IN 10TH HOUSE, WILL HAVE MALEFIC SIGHT ON 6TH, SO THE POINTS >INCREASED IN 10TH ARE REDUCED DUE TO SIGHT ON 6TH ( AS B). > >- I think I did not clarify my question. When I say weak, I mean getting >less than 12 points in the worksheet. I was not talking about the points in >their AV. By problematic 12th house aspects, I mean that they have an >aspect >of the 12th lord or some other relationship with the lord of 12th from B. >Could you please check my question in this light and advise? O.K. Now I >followed the question. Actually the planets gives the result as per their >significating points. Those planets in 12th house are not the lord of 12th >house. as they are already getting less then 12 points, how we can axpect >good result from them. Their any relation with 12th lord from 'B' will >spoil the result more. Yes if 12th lord it self is their, and with less >points, then it may give good result. > >You wrote: > " YOU MEAN 8TH, 11TH, 3RD, AND 4TH HOUSE AS DBCE, NO, IF THIS IS THE MEANING >OF MY WRITING THEN SOME THING WRONG IN MY TYPING, OR SENTENCE. (TWO >SENTENCES MIGHT HAVE MIXED UP). yES, IT MAY BE FOR 7TH HOUSE D 4TH, B 7TH, >C >11TH AND E AS 12. IN THIS CASE THE MARITAL LIFE WILL BE HAPPY, BUT GIVES >MORE EXPENDITURE THEN INCOME, FOR PLEASEING WIFE. WILL RESULT IN SOME >MISERABLE LIFE LATER ON. > >- I understand about the 7th house. Could you also explain what would be >the >significance if DBCE (8,11,3,and 4) have increasing points? Does this mean >that the income and the friends of the person will increase in time, and >that his desires will be fulfilled as time progresses? yes it can be and The person must be in service, because points of 3rd increases then 11th, the person must get some unlaw ful income, bribe, or income with less effort. If there is any planet with more points in 2nd house, then he will be caught and will have to go before some inquiry......krushna > >Kind regards >Sanjay > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2001 Report Share Posted January 8, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you, your clarification was very interesting. There is one point on which I still need more help. I will write this again. There is a person who has several planets in the worksheet for 6th house with less than 12 points. These planets also have some association with the lord of the 5th house (12th from B). However, the planets in his 10th house worksheet are all strong and are free from any association with the 12th lord. How would you interpret this in regard to his career. According to me, planets with less then 12 points in 6th house would make it difficult for him to get a job. But all planets being good for the 10th house would mean that the person would have success and authority. How do we balance these factors. Kind regards Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2001 Report Share Posted January 22, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, I think I have missed seeing the reply to the following. If you have already replied, please excuse this reminder. Kind regards Sanjay - " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:58 AM Re: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord Respected Krushnaji, Thank you, your clarification was very interesting. There is one point on which I still need more help. I will write this again. There is a person who has several planets in the worksheet for 6th house with less than 12 points. These planets also have some association with the lord of the 5th house (12th from B). However, the planets in his 10th house worksheet are all strong and are free from any association with the 12th lord. How would you interpret this in regard to his career. According to me, planets with less then 12 points in 6th house would make it difficult for him to get a job. But all planets being good for the 10th house would mean that the person would have success and authority. How do we balance these factors. Kind regards Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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