Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 Dear Sanjay, I think I might have not replyed for this. Such person can be a leader. Please check same from Moon also. If moon is powerful then it will act. For leadership Mars must be powerful. Moon sign, sun sign, are also important. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:35:20 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >I think I have missed seeing the reply to the following. If you have >already >replied, please excuse this reminder. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > >Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:58 AM >Re: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you, your clarification was very interesting. > >There is one point on which I still need more help. I will write this >again. > >There is a person who has several planets in the worksheet for 6th house >with less than 12 points. These planets also have some association with the >lord of the 5th house (12th from B). However, the planets in his 10th house >worksheet are all strong and are free from any association with the 12th >lord. How would you interpret this in regard to his career. According to >me, >planets with less then 12 points in 6th house would make it difficult for >him to get a job. But all planets being good for the 10th house would mean >that the person would have success and authority. How do we balance these >factors. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2001 Report Share Posted January 23, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for the reply. The person has Sun in Leo in both rashi and navamsha. Moon is in Taurus in rashi and in Gemini in navamsha. How do you judge if a planet is powerful? By the vedic principles of shadabal or vimshopak balas? Or by the points that these have in their AV? Or by the points that these get in the worksheets? Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:52 AM Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord Dear Sanjay, I think I might have not replyed for this. Such person can be a leader. Please check same from Moon also. If moon is powerful then it will act. For leadership Mars must be powerful. Moon sign, sun sign, are also important. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:35:20 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >I think I have missed seeing the reply to the following. If you have >already >replied, please excuse this reminder. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > >Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:58 AM >Re: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you, your clarification was very interesting. > >There is one point on which I still need more help. I will write this >again. > >There is a person who has several planets in the worksheet for 6th house >with less than 12 points. These planets also have some association with the >lord of the 5th house (12th from B). However, the planets in his 10th house >worksheet are all strong and are free from any association with the 12th >lord. How would you interpret this in regard to his career. According to >me, >planets with less then 12 points in 6th house would make it difficult for >him to get a job. But all planets being good for the 10th house would mean >that the person would have success and authority. How do we balance these >factors. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Dear Sanjay , Principles of vedic astrology are followed fully in this system. The strength of the planets by sign and degree is also important. This is used for the quontam of the result. The strong significator as per astakvarg is resposible for the result, and for the quality and quantity of the result the planets by it's position is responsible. For the planets in tenth house, if two planets are with equal points, then the having lower strength as per it's tenency and in sodasvarg is compared. In such case we select less powerful planet of them. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:24:47 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you for the reply. The person has Sun in Leo in both rashi and >navamsha. Moon is in Taurus in rashi and in Gemini in navamsha. > >How do you judge if a planet is powerful? By the vedic principles of >shadabal or vimshopak balas? Or by the points that these have in their AV? >Or by the points that these get in the worksheets? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:52 AM >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Dear Sanjay, > I think I might have not replyed for this. > Such person can be a leader. Please check same from Moon also. If >moon >is powerful then it will act. For leadership Mars must be powerful. Moon >sign, sun sign, are also important. >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > >Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:35:20 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >I think I have missed seeing the reply to the following. If you have > >already > >replied, please excuse this reminder. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > >Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:58 AM > >Re: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >Thank you, your clarification was very interesting. > > > >There is one point on which I still need more help. I will write this > >again. > > > >There is a person who has several planets in the worksheet for 6th house > >with less than 12 points. These planets also have some association with >the > >lord of the 5th house (12th from B). However, the planets in his 10th >house > >worksheet are all strong and are free from any association with the 12th > >lord. How would you interpret this in regard to his career. According to > >me, > >planets with less then 12 points in 6th house would make it difficult for > >him to get a job. But all planets being good for the 10th house would >mean > >that the person would have success and authority. How do we balance these > >factors. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2001 Report Share Posted January 24, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are too many principles. Could you please give us the major principles which in your opinion are the best for judging the strength of the planet. For example, could you please comment on the following, whether these should be considered or not? 1. Shadabala - This is a combination of various strengths. However, I have some doubts about this. Different planets are required to have different strength in rupas to be considered strong. For example, Mercury, to be considered strong, must get 7 rupas but Saturn is considered strong if it has only 5 rupas. Do we follow this principle or do you have any other guideline for this. Also, do you think things like uchhabal or cheshtabal have to be considered separately or as a part of shadabal only. 2. Vimshopak - For beneficial affect of planets, Vedic astrology says that this method of judging strength in the 16 divisional charts is the best. Planets having more than 15 points in this are always beneficial in their dashas. Do you agree with this? Your clarifications would help in increasing the ability to see the important points and the general trend for a chart. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:53 AM Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord Dear Sanjay , Principles of vedic astrology are followed fully in this system. The strength of the planets by sign and degree is also important. This is used for the quontam of the result. The strong significator as per astakvarg is resposible for the result, and for the quality and quantity of the result the planets by it's position is responsible. For the planets in tenth house, if two planets are with equal points, then the having lower strength as per it's tenency and in sodasvarg is compared. In such case we select less powerful planet of them. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:24:47 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you for the reply. The person has Sun in Leo in both rashi and >navamsha. Moon is in Taurus in rashi and in Gemini in navamsha. > >How do you judge if a planet is powerful? By the vedic principles of >shadabal or vimshopak balas? Or by the points that these have in their AV? >Or by the points that these get in the worksheets? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:52 AM >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Dear Sanjay, > I think I might have not replyed for this. > Such person can be a leader. Please check same from Moon also. If >moon >is powerful then it will act. For leadership Mars must be powerful. Moon >sign, sun sign, are also important. >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > >Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:35:20 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >I think I have missed seeing the reply to the following. If you have > >already > >replied, please excuse this reminder. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > >Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:58 AM > >Re: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >Thank you, your clarification was very interesting. > > > >There is one point on which I still need more help. I will write this > >again. > > > >There is a person who has several planets in the worksheet for 6th house > >with less than 12 points. These planets also have some association with >the > >lord of the 5th house (12th from B). However, the planets in his 10th >house > >worksheet are all strong and are free from any association with the 12th > >lord. How would you interpret this in regard to his career. According to > >me, > >planets with less then 12 points in 6th house would make it difficult for > >him to get a job. But all planets being good for the 10th house would >mean > >that the person would have success and authority. How do we balance these > >factors. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Hope you can find the time soon to comment on this. Kind regards Sanjay - " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg Thursday, January 25, 2001 1:18 PM Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord Respected Krushnaji, The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are too many principles. Could you please give us the major principles which in your opinion are the best for judging the strength of the planet. For example, could you please comment on the following, whether these should be considered or not? 1. Shadabala - This is a combination of various strengths. However, I have some doubts about this. Different planets are required to have different strength in rupas to be considered strong. For example, Mercury, to be considered strong, must get 7 rupas but Saturn is considered strong if it has only 5 rupas. Do we follow this principle or do you have any other guideline for this. Also, do you think things like uchhabal or cheshtabal have to be considered separately or as a part of shadabal only. 2. Vimshopak - For beneficial affect of planets, Vedic astrology says that this method of judging strength in the 16 divisional charts is the best. Planets having more than 15 points in this are always beneficial in their dashas. Do you agree with this? Your clarifications would help in increasing the ability to see the important points and the general trend for a chart. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:53 AM Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord Dear Sanjay , Principles of vedic astrology are followed fully in this system. The strength of the planets by sign and degree is also important. This is used for the quontam of the result. The strong significator as per astakvarg is resposible for the result, and for the quality and quantity of the result the planets by it's position is responsible. For the planets in tenth house, if two planets are with equal points, then the having lower strength as per it's tenency and in sodasvarg is compared. In such case we select less powerful planet of them. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:24:47 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Thank you for the reply. The person has Sun in Leo in both rashi and >navamsha. Moon is in Taurus in rashi and in Gemini in navamsha. > >How do you judge if a planet is powerful? By the vedic principles of >shadabal or vimshopak balas? Or by the points that these have in their AV? >Or by the points that these get in the worksheets? > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:52 AM >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Dear Sanjay, > I think I might have not replyed for this. > Such person can be a leader. Please check same from Moon also. If >moon >is powerful then it will act. For leadership Mars must be powerful. Moon >sign, sun sign, are also important. >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > >Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:35:20 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >I think I have missed seeing the reply to the following. If you have > >already > >replied, please excuse this reminder. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > >- > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > >Tuesday, January 09, 2001 11:58 AM > >Re: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >Thank you, your clarification was very interesting. > > > >There is one point on which I still need more help. I will write this > >again. > > > >There is a person who has several planets in the worksheet for 6th house > >with less than 12 points. These planets also have some association with >the > >lord of the 5th house (12th from B). However, the planets in his 10th >house > >worksheet are all strong and are free from any association with the 12th > >lord. How would you interpret this in regard to his career. According to > >me, > >planets with less then 12 points in 6th house would make it difficult for > >him to get a job. But all planets being good for the 10th house would >mean > >that the person would have success and authority. How do we balance these > >factors. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Dear Sanjay, I think I have replied for this. Might have lost when the group is changed to . The Planet which is powerful gives the malefic result for the sight. This you can check with any chart. Either in astakvarg or in in 16 divisional charts if any planet is powerful it will give adverse result for the sight. Mars, Jupiter, Saturn have three sights each. If these planets are powerful in 16 divisional charts will reduce the results of three house and will enhance result of only one house. Other planets may not have such effect, because they have only one sight, so either by tenency or by sight they may give good result. This portion of vedic astrology is useful for a perticular events of the life. Perticularly for finding the status of the karak planet. which may be useful for finding the quantum of the result. You cant say in numerical value. It is always in relative . If you study the chart of any big personality, you will find that if they may have some planets in uccha rashi, but no planet will be in uccha in div charts more then 4/5 div. Most important are Navamansha chart have equal value to rashi chart, then Drekkana ( Dreshkona) and Trimsamsha ( trishansha). Most of the vedic priciples are covered in directly in astakvarg system. Most of the laws given in the text requires to be changed. They are as per ancient time. Now a days there are so many developements so these results must be changed accordingly. No vedic results have any value of its alone. For Example no. of Planets in 2nd 12th house from ascendent, or 5th and 9th house, or 6th and 12th house shows the no. of times imprisonment to the person. This result can not be taken as direct. It means if the person is of currupt nature, doing some unlawful things, then and then such result may be use ful. ( I have not came accross using such result) So similar results may be imaginery. Results such as if 2nd and 7th house ( marak) have malefic planets and with Markesh, then the person dies in their dasha. I have checked so many charts, but not a single result was confirming this. On the contrary, I found death in fifth or ascendent lord or connected planets in most of the cases. When I say vedic astrology, it donot mean that all such results. The results I have given so for are proved, and can be applied universely to all the charts. There are so many dasha systems, But I found only Vishontary dasha, and that too with my Ayanansha. Using any other Ayanansha you cant get the results. You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not marked one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we can find out. If we follow the system we can easily find up to 80 to 90 percent results very accurately, which no other system can give. The karak planet and the significator are responsible for the results. At the most the result can be experienced in the samdharmi planet, or lords of D or E house. Lord of D and E house are alway eager to give the results if they get any chance, before the significating planet. Other things such as rupas, ucchabali, shketrabali, Young planets , old planets, Atmakarak, etc etc may be having some effect. But when we follow this system, we get more correect significator for any event of the life. When we know the significator for any event, then we can know all the probable time when that event can happen. Think on this you will find the way out. krushna >>Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Respected Krushnaji, > >The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are too many principles. >Could you please give us the major principles which in your opinion are the >best for judging the strength of the planet. For example, could you please > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2001 Report Share Posted January 29, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for the reply. I will chew on this and return. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:39 AM Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord Dear Sanjay, I think I have replied for this. Might have lost when the group is changed to . The Planet which is powerful gives the malefic result for the sight. This you can check with any chart. Either in astakvarg or in in 16 divisional charts if any planet is powerful it will give adverse result for the sight. Mars, Jupiter, Saturn have three sights each. If these planets are powerful in 16 divisional charts will reduce the results of three house and will enhance result of only one house. Other planets may not have such effect, because they have only one sight, so either by tenency or by sight they may give good result. This portion of vedic astrology is useful for a perticular events of the life. Perticularly for finding the status of the karak planet. which may be useful for finding the quantum of the result. You cant say in numerical value. It is always in relative . If you study the chart of any big personality, you will find that if they may have some planets in uccha rashi, but no planet will be in uccha in div charts more then 4/5 div. Most important are Navamansha chart have equal value to rashi chart, then Drekkana ( Dreshkona) and Trimsamsha ( trishansha). Most of the vedic priciples are covered in directly in astakvarg system. Most of the laws given in the text requires to be changed. They are as per ancient time. Now a days there are so many developements so these results must be changed accordingly. No vedic results have any value of its alone. For Example no. of Planets in 2nd 12th house from ascendent, or 5th and 9th house, or 6th and 12th house shows the no. of times imprisonment to the person. This result can not be taken as direct. It means if the person is of currupt nature, doing some unlawful things, then and then such result may be use ful. ( I have not came accross using such result) So similar results may be imaginery. Results such as if 2nd and 7th house ( marak) have malefic planets and with Markesh, then the person dies in their dasha. I have checked so many charts, but not a single result was confirming this. On the contrary, I found death in fifth or ascendent lord or connected planets in most of the cases. When I say vedic astrology, it donot mean that all such results. The results I have given so for are proved, and can be applied universely to all the charts. There are so many dasha systems, But I found only Vishontary dasha, and that too with my Ayanansha. Using any other Ayanansha you cant get the results. You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not marked one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we can find out. If we follow the system we can easily find up to 80 to 90 percent results very accurately, which no other system can give. The karak planet and the significator are responsible for the results. At the most the result can be experienced in the samdharmi planet, or lords of D or E house. Lord of D and E house are alway eager to give the results if they get any chance, before the significating planet. Other things such as rupas, ucchabali, shketrabali, Young planets , old planets, Atmakarak, etc etc may be having some effect. But when we follow this system, we get more correect significator for any event of the life. When we know the significator for any event, then we can know all the probable time when that event can happen. Think on this you will find the way out. krushna >>Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Respected Krushnaji, > >The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are too many principles. >Could you please give us the major principles which in your opinion are the >best for judging the strength of the planet. For example, could you please > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2001 Report Share Posted January 30, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Yes, I agree to all that you are saying. However, I would like to quote what you wrote in a message: " Dear Sanjay , Principles of Vedic astrology are followed fully in this system. The strength of the planets by sign and degree is also important. This is used for the quontam of the result. " All I want to know is, how to find out the strength of the planet by sign and degree? Can you give us a tutorial on a step by step method of assessing the strength once? Also, you wrote, " You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not marked one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we can find out. " I agree, but I had asked in a specific case where the person got married in the sub of the weakest significator when the karak and the other planets had no serious problem. How can we see this sort of thing? Perhaps you are following some rules to judge on this. Could you please share these with us. I am still waiting for your reply to my message about the person who died early. I am sorry if I am pushing for the answers but you that that we are all very much interested in this system and you are the only teacher. So we have to get our answers from you only. After we develop some skills, we can solve each others' problems but I don't think we have reached that stage yet. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:39 AM Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord Dear Sanjay, I think I have replied for this. Might have lost when the group is changed to . The Planet which is powerful gives the malefic result for the sight. This you can check with any chart. Either in astakvarg or in in 16 divisional charts if any planet is powerful it will give adverse result for the sight. Mars, Jupiter, Saturn have three sights each. If these planets are powerful in 16 divisional charts will reduce the results of three house and will enhance result of only one house. Other planets may not have such effect, because they have only one sight, so either by tenency or by sight they may give good result. This portion of vedic astrology is useful for a perticular events of the life. Perticularly for finding the status of the karak planet. which may be useful for finding the quantum of the result. You cant say in numerical value. It is always in relative . If you study the chart of any big personality, you will find that if they may have some planets in uccha rashi, but no planet will be in uccha in div charts more then 4/5 div. Most important are Navamansha chart have equal value to rashi chart, then Drekkana ( Dreshkona) and Trimsamsha ( trishansha). Most of the vedic priciples are covered in directly in astakvarg system. Most of the laws given in the text requires to be changed. They are as per ancient time. Now a days there are so many developements so these results must be changed accordingly. No vedic results have any value of its alone. For Example no. of Planets in 2nd 12th house from ascendent, or 5th and 9th house, or 6th and 12th house shows the no. of times imprisonment to the person. This result can not be taken as direct. It means if the person is of currupt nature, doing some unlawful things, then and then such result may be use ful. ( I have not came accross using such result) So similar results may be imaginery. Results such as if 2nd and 7th house ( marak) have malefic planets and with Markesh, then the person dies in their dasha. I have checked so many charts, but not a single result was confirming this. On the contrary, I found death in fifth or ascendent lord or connected planets in most of the cases. When I say vedic astrology, it donot mean that all such results. The results I have given so for are proved, and can be applied universely to all the charts. There are so many dasha systems, But I found only Vishontary dasha, and that too with my Ayanansha. Using any other Ayanansha you cant get the results. You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not marked one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we can find out. If we follow the system we can easily find up to 80 to 90 percent results very accurately, which no other system can give. The karak planet and the significator are responsible for the results. At the most the result can be experienced in the samdharmi planet, or lords of D or E house. Lord of D and E house are alway eager to give the results if they get any chance, before the significating planet. Other things such as rupas, ucchabali, shketrabali, Young planets , old planets, Atmakarak, etc etc may be having some effect. But when we follow this system, we get more correect significator for any event of the life. When we know the significator for any event, then we can know all the probable time when that event can happen. Think on this you will find the way out. krushna >>Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Respected Krushnaji, > >The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are too many principles. >Could you please give us the major principles which in your opinion are the >best for judging the strength of the planet. For example, could you please > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 dEAR sANJAY, Mazor portion of this letter is answered in the list. I will try to give more informations. The chart for study is a example for marriage in weak significator, If I remember this example was given by you in some other group. I found it interesting so given here. Mainly the degrees of the karak planet is considered for finding the quontam of the result. When the natural karak planet is situated in it's relative place, with more points it enhances the results. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:14:55 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Yes, I agree to all that you are saying. However, I would like to quote >what >you wrote in a message: > > " Dear Sanjay , > Principles of Vedic astrology are followed fully in this system. >The >strength of the planets by sign and degree is also important. This is used >for the quontam of the result. " > >All I want to know is, how to find out the strength of the planet by sign >and degree? Can you give us a tutorial on a step by step method of >assessing >the strength once? > >Also, you wrote, > " You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, >after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not >marked >one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we can >find out. " > >I agree, but I had asked in a specific case where the person got married in >the sub of the weakest significator when the karak and the other planets >had >no serious problem. How can we see this sort of thing? > >Perhaps you are following some rules to judge on this. Could you please >share these with us. I am still waiting for your reply to my message about >the person who died early. > >I am sorry if I am pushing for the answers but you that that we are all >very >much interested in this system and you are the only teacher. So we have to >get our answers from you only. After we develop some skills, we can solve >each others' problems but I don't think we have reached that stage yet. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > > > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:39 AM >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Dear Sanjay, > I think I have replied for this. Might have lost when the group is >changed to . > The Planet which is powerful gives the malefic result for the sight. >This you can check with any chart. Either in astakvarg or in in 16 >divisional charts if any planet is powerful it will give adverse result for >the sight. Mars, Jupiter, Saturn have three sights each. If these planets >are powerful in 16 divisional charts will reduce the results of three house >and will enhance result of only one house. Other planets may not have such >effect, because they have only one sight, so either by tenency or by sight >they may give good result. This portion of vedic astrology is useful for a >perticular events of the life. Perticularly for finding the status of the >karak planet. which may be useful for finding the quantum of the result. >You >cant say in numerical value. It is always in relative . If you study the >chart of any big personality, you will find that if they may have some >planets in uccha rashi, but no planet will be in uccha in div charts more >then 4/5 div. >Most important are Navamansha chart have equal value to rashi chart, then >Drekkana ( Dreshkona) and Trimsamsha ( trishansha). > Most of the vedic priciples are covered in directly in astakvarg >system. Most of the laws given in the text requires to be changed. They are >as per ancient time. Now a days there are so many developements so these >results must be changed accordingly. No vedic results have any value of its >alone. For Example no. of Planets in 2nd 12th house from ascendent, or 5th >and 9th house, or 6th and 12th house shows the no. of times imprisonment >to >the person. This result can not be taken as direct. It means if the person >is of currupt nature, doing some unlawful things, then and then such result >may be use ful. ( I have not came accross using such result) So similar >results may be imaginery. > Results such as if 2nd and 7th house ( marak) have malefic >planets >and with Markesh, then the person dies in their dasha. I have checked so >many charts, but not a single result was confirming this. On the contrary, >I >found death in fifth or ascendent lord or connected planets in most of the >cases. > When I say vedic astrology, it donot mean that all such results. >The results I have given so for are proved, and can be applied universely >to >all the charts. > There are so many dasha systems, But I found only Vishontary >dasha, >and that too with my Ayanansha. Using any other Ayanansha you cant get the >results. > You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, >after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not >marked >one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we can >find out. If we follow the system we can easily find up to 80 to 90 percent >results very accurately, which no other system can give. The karak planet >and the significator are responsible for the results. At the most the >result >can be experienced in the samdharmi planet, or lords of D or E house. Lord >of D and E house are alway eager to give the results if they get any >chance, >before the significating planet. > Other things such as rupas, ucchabali, shketrabali, Young planets , >old planets, Atmakarak, etc etc may be having some effect. But when we >follow this system, we get more correect significator for any event of the >life. > When we know the significator for any event, then we can know all >the >probable time when that event can happen. Think on this you will find the >way out. >krushna > > > > >>Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are too many principles. > >Could you please give us the major principles which in your opinion are >the > >best for judging the strength of the planet. For example, could you >please > > >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2001 Report Share Posted February 4, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, I think I get the general idea. Let us say I use the following procedure to judge the positive or negative results for a house. 1. I take the functional karak. I see where is it placed and what are the points that it has in its AV. If the karak is not 2nd, 6th, 8th, or 12th from the house, and if it has more than 4 points in its AV, then the house would generally be favorable. The karak should also preferably not be placed in the trik houses (6,8,12) or in its sign of debilitation. For Venus, we should see the star and the distance from the Sun. For Jupiter, we should see if it is in Libra. 2. I evaluate the natural karak in the same way. 3. If both are good, then the house would be generally good. If one is bad, the results are mixed. If both are bad, then the result is bad. 4. Once we know the kind of results a house will give, then we look at the worksheet to check the timing. The most important role of the worksheet is for the timing and it is not so important in judging the quality of the result. Please advise if the above logic is correct when you return. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Sunday, February 04, 2001 2:56 AM Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord dEAR sANJAY, Mazor portion of this letter is answered in the list. I will try to give more informations. The chart for study is a example for marriage in weak significator, If I remember this example was given by you in some other group. I found it interesting so given here. Mainly the degrees of the karak planet is considered for finding the quontam of the result. When the natural karak planet is situated in it's relative place, with more points it enhances the results. krushna > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:14:55 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >Yes, I agree to all that you are saying. However, I would like to quote >what >you wrote in a message: > > " Dear Sanjay , > Principles of Vedic astrology are followed fully in this system. >The >strength of the planets by sign and degree is also important. This is used >for the quontam of the result. " > >All I want to know is, how to find out the strength of the planet by sign >and degree? Can you give us a tutorial on a step by step method of >assessing >the strength once? > >Also, you wrote, > " You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, >after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not >marked >one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we can >find out. " > >I agree, but I had asked in a specific case where the person got married in >the sub of the weakest significator when the karak and the other planets >had >no serious problem. How can we see this sort of thing? > >Perhaps you are following some rules to judge on this. Could you please >share these with us. I am still waiting for your reply to my message about >the person who died early. > >I am sorry if I am pushing for the answers but you that that we are all >very >much interested in this system and you are the only teacher. So we have to >get our answers from you only. After we develop some skills, we can solve >each others' problems but I don't think we have reached that stage yet. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > > > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:39 AM >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >Dear Sanjay, > I think I have replied for this. Might have lost when the group is >changed to . > The Planet which is powerful gives the malefic result for the sight. >This you can check with any chart. Either in astakvarg or in in 16 >divisional charts if any planet is powerful it will give adverse result for >the sight. Mars, Jupiter, Saturn have three sights each. If these planets >are powerful in 16 divisional charts will reduce the results of three house >and will enhance result of only one house. Other planets may not have such >effect, because they have only one sight, so either by tenency or by sight >they may give good result. This portion of vedic astrology is useful for a >perticular events of the life. Perticularly for finding the status of the >karak planet. which may be useful for finding the quantum of the result. >You >cant say in numerical value. It is always in relative . If you study the >chart of any big personality, you will find that if they may have some >planets in uccha rashi, but no planet will be in uccha in div charts more >then 4/5 div. >Most important are Navamansha chart have equal value to rashi chart, then >Drekkana ( Dreshkona) and Trimsamsha ( trishansha). > Most of the vedic priciples are covered in directly in astakvarg >system. Most of the laws given in the text requires to be changed. They are >as per ancient time. Now a days there are so many developements so these >results must be changed accordingly. No vedic results have any value of its >alone. For Example no. of Planets in 2nd 12th house from ascendent, or 5th >and 9th house, or 6th and 12th house shows the no. of times imprisonment >to >the person. This result can not be taken as direct. It means if the person >is of currupt nature, doing some unlawful things, then and then such result >may be use ful. ( I have not came accross using such result) So similar >results may be imaginery. > Results such as if 2nd and 7th house ( marak) have malefic >planets >and with Markesh, then the person dies in their dasha. I have checked so >many charts, but not a single result was confirming this. On the contrary, >I >found death in fifth or ascendent lord or connected planets in most of the >cases. > When I say vedic astrology, it donot mean that all such results. >The results I have given so for are proved, and can be applied universely >to >all the charts. > There are so many dasha systems, But I found only Vishontary >dasha, >and that too with my Ayanansha. Using any other Ayanansha you cant get the >results. > You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, >after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not >marked >one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we can >find out. If we follow the system we can easily find up to 80 to 90 percent >results very accurately, which no other system can give. The karak planet >and the significator are responsible for the results. At the most the >result >can be experienced in the samdharmi planet, or lords of D or E house. Lord >of D and E house are alway eager to give the results if they get any >chance, >before the significating planet. > Other things such as rupas, ucchabali, shketrabali, Young planets , >old planets, Atmakarak, etc etc may be having some effect. But when we >follow this system, we get more correect significator for any event of the >life. > When we know the significator for any event, then we can know all >the >probable time when that event can happen. Think on this you will find the >way out. >krushna > > > > >>Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are too many principles. > >Could you please give us the major principles which in your opinion are >the > >best for judging the strength of the planet. For example, could you >please > > >_______________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2001 Report Share Posted February 5, 2001 Dear Sanjay, You are on proper track. The points of the worksheet, is also important, but the result is limited for the sub period of the planet. Where as the result of the Karak is for whole life. There may be variation as per the significator and its strength. but the overall result is based on the karaks. Today I am leaving, will meet again on 16th. thanks krushna 1:26 am 6th Feb 2001 > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:12:52 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >I think I get the general idea. Let us say I use the following procedure to >judge the positive or negative results for a house. > >1. I take the functional karak. I see where is it placed and what are the >points that it has in its AV. If the karak is not 2nd, 6th, 8th, or 12th >from the house, and if it has more than 4 points in its AV, then the house >would generally be favorable. The karak should also preferably not be >placed >in the trik houses (6,8,12) or in its sign of debilitation. For Venus, we >should see the star and the distance from the Sun. For Jupiter, we should >see if it is in Libra. > >2. I evaluate the natural karak in the same way. > >3. If both are good, then the house would be generally good. If one is bad, >the results are mixed. If both are bad, then the result is bad. > >4. Once we know the kind of results a house will give, then we look at the >worksheet to check the timing. The most important role of the worksheet is >for the timing and it is not so important in judging the quality of the >result. > >Please advise if the above logic is correct when you return. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Sunday, February 04, 2001 2:56 AM >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >dEAR sANJAY, > Mazor portion of this letter is answered in the list. I will try to >give more informations. The chart for study is a example for marriage in >weak significator, If I remember this example was given by you in some >other >group. I found it interesting so given here. Mainly the degrees of the >karak >planet is considered for finding the quontam of the result. >When the natural karak planet is situated in it's relative place, with more >points it enhances the results. >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > >Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:14:55 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >Yes, I agree to all that you are saying. However, I would like to quote > >what > >you wrote in a message: > > > > " Dear Sanjay , > > Principles of Vedic astrology are followed fully in this system. > >The > >strength of the planets by sign and degree is also important. This is >used > >for the quontam of the result. " > > > >All I want to know is, how to find out the strength of the planet by sign > >and degree? Can you give us a tutorial on a step by step method of > >assessing > >the strength once? > > > >Also, you wrote, > > " You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, > >after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not > >marked > >one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we >can > >find out. " > > > >I agree, but I had asked in a specific case where the person got married >in > >the sub of the weakest significator when the karak and the other planets > >had > >no serious problem. How can we see this sort of thing? > > > >Perhaps you are following some rules to judge on this. Could you please > >share these with us. I am still waiting for your reply to my message >about > >the person who died early. > > > >I am sorry if I am pushing for the answers but you that that we are all > >very > >much interested in this system and you are the only teacher. So we have >to > >get our answers from you only. After we develop some skills, we can solve > >each others' problems but I don't think we have reached that stage yet. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > > > > > >- > > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > > > >Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:39 AM > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > > I think I have replied for this. Might have lost when the group is > >changed to . > > The Planet which is powerful gives the malefic result for the >sight. > >This you can check with any chart. Either in astakvarg or in in 16 > >divisional charts if any planet is powerful it will give adverse result >for > >the sight. Mars, Jupiter, Saturn have three sights each. If these planets > >are powerful in 16 divisional charts will reduce the results of three >house > >and will enhance result of only one house. Other planets may not have >such > >effect, because they have only one sight, so either by tenency or by >sight > >they may give good result. This portion of vedic astrology is useful for >a > >perticular events of the life. Perticularly for finding the status of the > >karak planet. which may be useful for finding the quantum of the result. > >You > >cant say in numerical value. It is always in relative . If you study the > >chart of any big personality, you will find that if they may have some > >planets in uccha rashi, but no planet will be in uccha in div charts more > >then 4/5 div. > >Most important are Navamansha chart have equal value to rashi chart, then > >Drekkana ( Dreshkona) and Trimsamsha ( trishansha). > > Most of the vedic priciples are covered in directly in astakvarg > >system. Most of the laws given in the text requires to be changed. They >are > >as per ancient time. Now a days there are so many developements so these > >results must be changed accordingly. No vedic results have any value of >its > >alone. For Example no. of Planets in 2nd 12th house from ascendent, or >5th > >and 9th house, or 6th and 12th house shows the no. of times imprisonment > >to > >the person. This result can not be taken as direct. It means if the >person > >is of currupt nature, doing some unlawful things, then and then such >result > >may be use ful. ( I have not came accross using such result) So similar > >results may be imaginery. > > Results such as if 2nd and 7th house ( marak) have malefic > >planets > >and with Markesh, then the person dies in their dasha. I have checked so > >many charts, but not a single result was confirming this. On the >contrary, > >I > >found death in fifth or ascendent lord or connected planets in most of >the > >cases. > > When I say vedic astrology, it donot mean that all such >results. > >The results I have given so for are proved, and can be applied universely > >to > >all the charts. > > There are so many dasha systems, But I found only Vishontary > >dasha, > >and that too with my Ayanansha. Using any other Ayanansha you cant get >the > >results. > > You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, > >after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not > >marked > >one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we >can > >find out. If we follow the system we can easily find up to 80 to 90 >percent > >results very accurately, which no other system can give. The karak planet > >and the significator are responsible for the results. At the most the > >result > >can be experienced in the samdharmi planet, or lords of D or E house. >Lord > >of D and E house are alway eager to give the results if they get any > >chance, > >before the significating planet. > > Other things such as rupas, ucchabali, shketrabali, Young planets >, > >old planets, Atmakarak, etc etc may be having some effect. But when we > >follow this system, we get more correect significator for any event of >the > >life. > > When we know the significator for any event, then we can know all > >the > >probable time when that event can happen. Think on this you will find the > >way out. > >krushna > > > > > > > > >>Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > > > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > >The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are too many principles. > > >Could you please give us the major principles which in your opinion are > >the > > >best for judging the strength of the planet. For example, could you > >please > > > > >_______________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 Respected Krushnaji, Thank you for the reply. We hope to do more charts on your return. Kind regards Sanjay - " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain Tuesday, February 06, 2001 2:58 AM Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord Dear Sanjay, You are on proper track. The points of the worksheet, is also important, but the result is limited for the sub period of the planet. Where as the result of the Karak is for whole life. There may be variation as per the significator and its strength. but the overall result is based on the karaks. Today I am leaving, will meet again on 16th. thanks krushna 1:26 am 6th Feb 2001 > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord >Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:12:52 +0700 > >Respected Krushnaji, > >I think I get the general idea. Let us say I use the following procedure to >judge the positive or negative results for a house. > >1. I take the functional karak. I see where is it placed and what are the >points that it has in its AV. If the karak is not 2nd, 6th, 8th, or 12th >from the house, and if it has more than 4 points in its AV, then the house >would generally be favorable. The karak should also preferably not be >placed >in the trik houses (6,8,12) or in its sign of debilitation. For Venus, we >should see the star and the distance from the Sun. For Jupiter, we should >see if it is in Libra. > >2. I evaluate the natural karak in the same way. > >3. If both are good, then the house would be generally good. If one is bad, >the results are mixed. If both are bad, then the result is bad. > >4. Once we know the kind of results a house will give, then we look at the >worksheet to check the timing. The most important role of the worksheet is >for the timing and it is not so important in judging the quality of the >result. > >Please advise if the above logic is correct when you return. > >Kind regards >Sanjay > >- > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > >Sunday, February 04, 2001 2:56 AM >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > >dEAR sANJAY, > Mazor portion of this letter is answered in the list. I will try to >give more informations. The chart for study is a example for marriage in >weak significator, If I remember this example was given by you in some >other >group. I found it interesting so given here. Mainly the degrees of the >karak >planet is considered for finding the quontam of the result. >When the natural karak planet is situated in it's relative place, with more >points it enhances the results. >krushna > > > > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg > > > > > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > >Tue, 30 Jan 2001 21:14:55 +0700 > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > >Yes, I agree to all that you are saying. However, I would like to quote > >what > >you wrote in a message: > > > > " Dear Sanjay , > > Principles of Vedic astrology are followed fully in this system. > >The > >strength of the planets by sign and degree is also important. This is >used > >for the quontam of the result. " > > > >All I want to know is, how to find out the strength of the planet by sign > >and degree? Can you give us a tutorial on a step by step method of > >assessing > >the strength once? > > > >Also, you wrote, > > " You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, > >after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not > >marked > >one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we >can > >find out. " > > > >I agree, but I had asked in a specific case where the person got married >in > >the sub of the weakest significator when the karak and the other planets > >had > >no serious problem. How can we see this sort of thing? > > > >Perhaps you are following some rules to judge on this. Could you please > >share these with us. I am still waiting for your reply to my message >about > >the person who died early. > > > >I am sorry if I am pushing for the answers but you that that we are all > >very > >much interested in this system and you are the only teacher. So we have >to > >get our answers from you only. After we develop some skills, we can solve > >each others' problems but I don't think we have reached that stage yet. > > > >Kind regards > >Sanjay > > > > > > > >- > > " krushna kalani J.K. " <krushanain > > > >Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:39 AM > >Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > > > > >Dear Sanjay, > > I think I have replied for this. Might have lost when the group is > >changed to . > > The Planet which is powerful gives the malefic result for the >sight. > >This you can check with any chart. Either in astakvarg or in in 16 > >divisional charts if any planet is powerful it will give adverse result >for > >the sight. Mars, Jupiter, Saturn have three sights each. If these planets > >are powerful in 16 divisional charts will reduce the results of three >house > >and will enhance result of only one house. Other planets may not have >such > >effect, because they have only one sight, so either by tenency or by >sight > >they may give good result. This portion of vedic astrology is useful for >a > >perticular events of the life. Perticularly for finding the status of the > >karak planet. which may be useful for finding the quantum of the result. > >You > >cant say in numerical value. It is always in relative . If you study the > >chart of any big personality, you will find that if they may have some > >planets in uccha rashi, but no planet will be in uccha in div charts more > >then 4/5 div. > >Most important are Navamansha chart have equal value to rashi chart, then > >Drekkana ( Dreshkona) and Trimsamsha ( trishansha). > > Most of the vedic priciples are covered in directly in astakvarg > >system. Most of the laws given in the text requires to be changed. They >are > >as per ancient time. Now a days there are so many developements so these > >results must be changed accordingly. No vedic results have any value of >its > >alone. For Example no. of Planets in 2nd 12th house from ascendent, or >5th > >and 9th house, or 6th and 12th house shows the no. of times imprisonment > >to > >the person. This result can not be taken as direct. It means if the >person > >is of currupt nature, doing some unlawful things, then and then such >result > >may be use ful. ( I have not came accross using such result) So similar > >results may be imaginery. > > Results such as if 2nd and 7th house ( marak) have malefic > >planets > >and with Markesh, then the person dies in their dasha. I have checked so > >many charts, but not a single result was confirming this. On the >contrary, > >I > >found death in fifth or ascendent lord or connected planets in most of >the > >cases. > > When I say vedic astrology, it donot mean that all such >results. > >The results I have given so for are proved, and can be applied universely > >to > >all the charts. > > There are so many dasha systems, But I found only Vishontary > >dasha, > >and that too with my Ayanansha. Using any other Ayanansha you cant get >the > >results. > > You have asked in some other mail, that we can find the result, > >after the event is known to us, yes you are correct, but you have not > >marked > >one thing, that the result happens in very perticular planets, which we >can > >find out. If we follow the system we can easily find up to 80 to 90 >percent > >results very accurately, which no other system can give. The karak planet > >and the significator are responsible for the results. At the most the > >result > >can be experienced in the samdharmi planet, or lords of D or E house. >Lord > >of D and E house are alway eager to give the results if they get any > >chance, > >before the significating planet. > > Other things such as rupas, ucchabali, shketrabali, Young planets >, > >old planets, Atmakarak, etc etc may be having some effect. But when we > >follow this system, we get more correect significator for any event of >the > >life. > > When we know the significator for any event, then we can know all > >the > >probable time when that event can happen. Think on this you will find the > >way out. > >krushna > > > > > > > > >>Re: Fw: Fw: Jupiter as 12th lord > > > > > > > > >Respected Krushnaji, > > > > > >The problem with Vedic astrology is that there are too many principles. > > >Could you please give us the major principles which in your opinion are > >the > > >best for judging the strength of the planet. For example, could you > >please > > > > >_______________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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